Head coach & GM options

[Padrino]

Agree with everything you say except that you're leaving out the fact that he's a cancer to his team. Just look at somebody like Tim Duncan and how he has handled himself so professionally throughout his career. His teammates want to play with him. He's inspiring. DMC....well, he's uninspiring. At least to me.

i'm not leaving it out because i do not find that there is any credence to the claim. a "cancer" rips a locker room apart from the inside out. but in three years, we have seen nothing "cancerous" from demarcus cousins. have we seen immature behavior? absolutely. has he also shown considerable growth thus far in his career, both in his play and in his disposition? absolutely.

no development occurs along the nice, tidy, well-manicured and linear timeline that you're looking for. a player with demarcus' talent and passion will occasionally backslide. you deal with it. but you do not dump his undeniable superstar potential for "a few solid players/good prospects to build with" just because you're afraid he might get t'ed up from time to time. that's how a franchise remains mired in mediocrity for decades at a time...

beyond that, it matters not one bit to me that you find demarcus cousins uninspiring. leadership begins at the top, and vivek ranadive has thus far flaunted greater leadership skills than the maloofs displayed during their entire tenure in sacramento. geoff petrie had been sleep walking through his job. keith smart is simply not up to the challenge. but if ranadive hires a GM and head coach that reflect his good judgment and leadership qualities, expect a trickle down effect on the player personnel below...

****, on a mismanaged team without even the slightest semblance of leadership at any level of the organization, demarcus cousins still managed to inspire enough belief from his teammates for them to trust him in games like this:

that is a superstar in the making at a position he can dominate for a decade in a league starving for quality centers. when you're that good, your teammates will follow you. so again, i don't care if you don't have the stomach for demarcus cousins. he's likely on his way to stardom, and i can't wait to see him don the purple-and-black next season...

also, i'd like to point out that there's a reason you feel so consistently attacked at kf.com. first you make absolutist and absurdist claims like demarcus "will never lead us to become a championship caliber team." then you have the gall to follow it up by saying, "Hey I hope I do eat crow. I hope he magically cleans up his act and leads us to the promise land." it's a contradiction. you might as well claim, "i do not believe in god, but i'm hoping he lets me into heaven."

also, if you're looking for "magic," you're watching the wrong sport. nba players develop. they do not arrive fully-formed. they do not transform overnight. it's a process, and it requires patience. if i'm vivek ranadive, no amount of fumbling about by the old guard discourages me from pouring every resource i've got into building a winner around demarcus cousins...

 

[Spike]

Big ups to Padrino for still fighting the good fight. Most of the time, I just smh and move on...

 

[Fear the Putin]

also, i'd like to point out that there's a reason you feel so consistently attacked at kf.com. first you make absolutist and absurdist claims like demarcus "will never lead us to become a championship caliber team." then you have the gall to follow it up by saying, "Hey I hope I do eat crow. I hope he magically cleans up his act and leads us to the promise land." it's a contradiction. you might as well claim, "i do not believe in god, but i'm hoping he lets me into heaven."

That's called handing someone a double edged sword and asking them to fight you.

 

[Section 101]

i'm not leaving it out because i do not find that there is any credence to the claim. a "cancer" rips a locker room apart from the inside out. but in three years, we have seen nothing "cancerous" from demarcus cousins. have we seen immature behavior? absolutely. has he also shown considerable growth thus far in his career, both in his play and in his disposition? absolutely.

no development occurs along the nice, tidy, well-manicured and linear timeline that you're looking for. a player with demarcus' talent and passion will occasionally backslide. you deal with it. but you do not dump his undeniable superstar potential for "a few solid players/good prospects to build with" just because you're afraid he might get t'ed up from time to time. that's how a franchise remains mired in mediocrity for decades at a time...

beyond that, it matters not one bit to me that you find demarcus cousins uninspiring. leadership begins at the top, and vivek ranadive has thus far flaunted greater leadership skills than the maloofs displayed during their entire tenure in sacramento. geoff petrie had been sleep walking through his job. keith smart is simply not up to the challenge. but if ranadive hires a GM and head coach that reflect his good judgment and leadership qualities, expect a trickle down effect on the player personnel below...

****, on a mismanaged team without even the slightest semblance of leadership at any level of the organization, demarcus cousins still managed to inspire enough belief from his teammates for them to trust him in games like this:

that is a superstar in the making at a position he can dominate for a decade in a league starving for quality centers. when you're that good, your teammates will follow you. so again, i don't care if you don't have the stomach for demarcus cousins. he's likely on his way to stardom, and i can't wait to see him don the purple-and-black next season...

also, i'd like to point out that there's a reason you feel so consistently attacked at kf.com. first you make absolutist and absurdist claims like demarcus "will never lead us to become a championship caliber team." then you have the gall to follow it up by saying, "Hey I hope I do eat crow. I hope he magically cleans up his act and leads us to the promise land." it's a contradiction. you might as well claim, "i do not believe in god, but i'm hoping he lets me into heaven."

also, if you're looking for "magic," you're watching the wrong sport. nba players develop. they do not arrive fully-formed. they do not transform overnight. it's a process, and it requires patience. if i'm vivek ranadive, no amount of fumbling about by the old guard discourages me from pouring every resource i've got into building a winner around demarcus cousins...

To add on.

Cuz had 47.7 % of his baskets off assists. To put this in perspective this was the 2nd lowest for all centers who got major minutes and the lowest of any starting center.

Blatche 44.8
Aldrich 47.6 w/ Kings (shows consistency for the team)
Monroe 50.9
Hibbert 51.5
Jefferson 54.5
Bogut 58.8
Brook lopez 61.2
Pekovic 61.4
Noah 63.4
Mark Gasol 64.2
McGee 65.6
Jordan 66.9
Okafor 67.1
Howard 69.4
Chandler 71.0
Hawes 74.5
Bosh 75.6
Horford 75.9
B. Wright 78.4

So basically if you get Cuz's assisted baskets up into at least the 60+% range his scoring is going to shoot up and you will see his bad shots go down increasing his shooting %. You will also find that Cuz will be a lot happier player.

Also note that the Pistons and Jazz are currently looking to upgrade their PG positions

 

[Spike]

If he's initiating the offense the numbers would also be a little lower, fwiw. No one else on the list is really the focal point of the team's offense. Just some food for thought. I agree that being set up in a position to score would be a good thing.

 

[LWP777]

Pathetic response. And so goddamn worn out. ''oh you think i'm narrow minded only because my opinion is different''... Poor YOU.

Actually I love diversity and learning (i have my opinion affected and incluenced all the time on this board), but only from prople who operate with reason and genuineness. You don't.

So funny how you asked us to attack you, i thought (foolishly) it was because you wanted to improve your game. Apparently it was because you relish the role of the 'persecuted'. And that's really all you come here for. Not to actually share and learn, but to be the guy with some stupid,stubborn opiniom, so you can turn around and say how everybody hates you or is annoyed by you when in fact they have perfectly good reason. But you don't care to here ot cause you didn't come in the spirit of exchange, that's why you are narrow minded.

People like you always say they love "diversity" but in reality it only means you only go along with people who share your opinion. Everybody else is labeled as something. You chose to label me "narrow minded" and get nasty with me all because I think we'd be better off without DCM. Pretty pathetic IMO.

I never got nasty with my post. I just stated my opinion. But, as I've learned on these boards, if you're not in line with who the current popular and unpopular figures are with this franchise you'll quickly get labeled a troll and blasted. My line at the end of my OP regarding "Bring on the LWP bashing" was obviously a joke but I knew it would be a predictable outcome.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i think most of Cousins on court problems are because he wants to win SO BAD. thats not really the worst problem you could have.......

 

[LWP777]

i'm not leaving it out because i do not find that there is any credence to the claim. a "cancer" rips a locker room apart from the inside out. but in three years, we have seen nothing "cancerous" from demarcus cousins. have we seen immature behavior? absolutely. has he also shown considerable growth thus far in his career, both in his play and in his disposition? absolutely.

no development occurs along the nice, tidy, well-manicured and linear timeline that you're looking for. a player with demarcus' talent and passion will occasionally backslide. you deal with it. but you do not dump his undeniable superstar potential for "a few solid players/good prospects to build with" just because you're afraid he might get t'ed up from time to time. that's how a franchise remains mired in mediocrity for decades at a time...

beyond that, it matters not one bit to me that you find demarcus cousins uninspiring. leadership begins at the top, and vivek ranadive has thus far flaunted greater leadership skills than the maloofs displayed during their entire tenure in sacramento. geoff petrie had been sleep walking through his job. keith smart is simply not up to the challenge. but if ranadive hires a GM and head coach that reflect his good judgment and leadership qualities, expect a trickle down effect on the player personnel below...

****, on a mismanaged team without even the slightest semblance of leadership at any level of the organization, demarcus cousins still managed to inspire enough belief from his teammates for them to trust him in games like this:

that is a superstar in the making at a position he can dominate for a decade in a league starving for quality centers. when you're that good, your teammates will follow you. so again, i don't care if you don't have the stomach for demarcus cousins. he's likely on his way to stardom, and i can't wait to see him don the purple-and-black next season...

also, i'd like to point out that there's a reason you feel so consistently attacked at kf.com. first you make absolutist and absurdist claims like demarcus "will never lead us to become a championship caliber team." then you have the gall to follow it up by saying, "Hey I hope I do eat crow. I hope he magically cleans up his act and leads us to the promise land." it's a contradiction. you might as well claim, "i do not believe in god, but i'm hoping he lets me into heaven."

also, if you're looking for "magic," you're watching the wrong sport. nba players develop. they do not arrive fully-formed. they do not transform overnight. it's a process, and it requires patience. if i'm vivek ranadive, no amount of fumbling about by the old guard discourages me from pouring every resource i've got into building a winner around demarcus cousins...

It's not contradictory that I don't think he will lead us anywhere yet will be happy if I'm wrong. I love this team and have so since I was 8 years old the very first year they came to town. I've been through it all. If DMC grows up and proves me wrong the joy of watching the Kings win 50+ games for a long time will completely overshadow the fact that I was wrong about him. I want to be wrong about him! That's what a lot of people here don't understand. They think I just have fun stating my opinions about the guy. It's just an opinion.

 

[jalfa]

People like you always say they love "diversity" but in reality it only means you only go along with people who share your opinion. Everybody else is labeled as something. You chose to label me "narrow minded" and get nasty with me all because I think we'd be better off without DCM. Pretty pathetic IMO.

I never got nasty with my post. I just stated my opinion. But, as I've learned on these boards, if you're not in line with who the current popular and unpopular figures are with this franchise you'll quickly get labeled a troll and blasted. My line at the end of my OP regarding "Bring on the LWP bashing" was obviously a joke but I knew it would be a predictable outcome.

you basically called him a fascist! he then proceeds to respond to you in fairly polite way and YOU complain about him getting nasty? seriously?

 

[LWP777]

you basically called him a fascist! he then proceeds to respond to you in fairly polite way and YOU complain about him getting nasty? seriously?

I didn't use that term but it does fit quite well. Thank you! Go back and read my OP and his initial response. I never got nasty with anybody in my OP. Just took an unpopular opinion than what currently holds right now on these boards. He in turn got nasty with me and resorted to name calling and such.

 

[jalfa]

I didn't use that term but it does fit quite well. Thank you! Go back and read my OP and his initial response. I never got nasty with anybody in my OP. Just took an unpopular opinion than what currently holds right now on these boards. He in turn got nasty with me and resorted to name calling and such.

to recap: you took your tired, regular stance, asked people to bash away, got called narrow-minded (the nastiest of terms, I suppose), "cleverly" implied that another poster was a fascist and now play innocent and insist that you never got nasty, even dragging me into it claiming that I was the one bringing the fascist to this whole mess? I must say, the mental acrobatics necessary to arrive at that picture are nothing short of spectacular. maybe try out for cirque du soleil.

 

[LWP777]

to recap: you took your tired, regular stance, asked people to bash away, got called narrow-minded (the nastiest of terms, I suppose), "cleverly" implied that another poster was a fascist and now play innocent and insist that you never got nasty, even dragging me into it claiming that I was the one bringing the fascist to this whole mess? I must say, the mental acrobatics necessary to arrive at that picture are nothing short of spectacular. maybe try out for cirque du soleil.

Clever play on words! Very commendable!

And, btw, I never used the word "fascist." You did. Can we just drop this now? I get it. You have a man crush on DMC. Good for you. Hope that works out well for ya.

 

[rainmaker]

You have a man crush on DMC. Good for you.

This shtick is getting pretty old. Just because some are a fan of the team and see enough value in our best player to not trade him during a franchise re-set, doesn't equate to being a fanboy or having a man crush on the guy.

Simply an invented strawman on your part. How about you make your point without the hyperbole?

 

[jalfa]

Clever play on words! Very commendable!

And, btw, I never used the word "fascist." You did. Can we just drop this now? I get it. You have a man crush on DMC. Good for you. Hope that works out well for ya.

even if that were true (which it's not, I see glaring deficiencies in Cuz' game, some of which you never mention, btw), it's not at all the issue here. a nice strawman, but no. the issue is that you constantly invite criticism, lash out violently and then paint yourself as a victim, even though you use language far more inflammatory and attack on far more personal level than anybody ever uses against you. also, please don't think you're getting away with that oh so smart "I'll just compare a comment to Iranian or North Korean politics and then act as if I hadn't been the one bringing up fascism when somebody takes offence at it".

 

[pshn80]

How about head coach and GM options? That's why I came on here.

 

[Mad D]

Had a dream/nightmare last night that I read on this site that Mike D'antoni was selected as Kings coach.

 

[Fear the Putin]

How about head coach and GM options? That's why I came on here.

that's the other thread...this one is for arguing

 

[IfAt1st]

To add on.

Cuz had 47.7 % of his baskets off assists. To put this in perspective this was the 2nd lowest for all centers who got major minutes and the lowest of any starting center.

Blatche 44.8
Aldrich 47.6 w/ Kings (shows consistency for the team)
Monroe 50.9
Hibbert 51.5
Jefferson 54.5
Bogut 58.8
Brook lopez 61.2
Pekovic 61.4
Noah 63.4
Mark Gasol 64.2
McGee 65.6
Jordan 66.9
Okafor 67.1
Howard 69.4
Chandler 71.0
Hawes 74.5
Bosh 75.6
Horford 75.9
B. Wright 78.4

So basically if you get Cuz's assisted baskets up into at least the 60+% range his scoring is going to shoot up and you will see his bad shots go down increasing his shooting %. You will also find that Cuz will be a lot happier player.

This is a GREAT post, and is highlighting something I've mentioned for years. DMC gets WAY less set-ups than most big men.

But I'll be surprised as hell if these are the actual numbers because there's no way (IMO) that DMC gets almost half his scoring as assisted.
The stats say "baskets", so that ignores any of the FT's he gets when unassisted, right?
From my memory of watching the Kings, I'd guesstimate he gets LESS than 25% of his scores off of assists.
He is almost always given the ball about 6 feet away from the elbow, and then forced to make the play by himself (whether that's a dribble-drive or a spot-up shot).
And fully 33%-50% of his shots are taken off of rebounds, so I really don;t see how 48% of his baskets are assisted by someone else.
He hardly ever (in my memory) is given the ball underneath, close to the basket. I'd wager it's closer to 10% of the time that he is given the ball by someone else who made the play.

 

[BMiller52]

How about head coach and GM options? That's why I came on here.

This. Not sure how this devolved into an argument about Demarcus...

 

[Padrino]

It's not contradictory that I don't think he will lead us anywhere yet will be happy if I'm wrong. I love this team and have so since I was 8 years old the very first year they came to town. I've been through it all. If DMC grows up and proves me wrong the joy of watching the Kings win 50+ games for a long time will completely overshadow the fact that I was wrong about him. I want to be wrong about him! That's what a lot of people here don't understand. They think I just have fun stating my opinions about the guy. It's just an opinion.

you have to clear out your pm's if you want me to reply to the message you sent.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Not the biggest Demarcus guy myself, but his talent and the curiosity of how he'll play for a real coach outweight his trading stock, by a fair margin.. Other teams around the league at this point believe they can poach him for little, no one will give you anywhere near proper talent market value for him.. so no, its not worth trading him for role players or mid/late 1rst picks now

 

[Section 101]

This is a GREAT post, and is highlighting something I've mentioned for years. DMC gets WAY less set-ups than most big men.

But I'll be surprised as hell if these are the actual numbers because there's no way (IMO) that DMC gets almost half his scoring as assisted.
The stats say "baskets", so that ignores any of the FT's he gets when unassisted, right?
From my memory of watching the Kings, I'd guesstimate he gets LESS than 25% of his scores off of assists.
He is almost always given the ball about 6 feet away from the elbow, and then forced to make the play by himself (whether that's a dribble-drive or a spot-up shot).
And fully 33%-50% of his shots are taken off of rebounds, so I really don;t see how 48% of his baskets are assisted by someone else.
He hardly ever (in my memory) is given the ball underneath, close to the basket. I'd wager it's closer to 10% of the time that he is given the ball by someone else who made the play.

Agree, they are mostly off his jumpers and few are him going to the basket. That's what I am talking about increasing his easy baskets at the rim. His FG% and mood will go way up.

 

[LWP777]

you have to clear out your pm's if you want me to reply to the message you sent.

Done....thanks

 

[LWP777]

Not the biggest Demarcus guy myself, but his talent and the curiosity of how he'll play for a real coach outweight his trading stock, by a fair margin.. Other teams around the league at this point believe they can poach him for little, no one will give you anywhere near proper talent market value for him.. so no, its not worth trading him for role players or mid/late 1rst picks now

And, believe it or not, I agree with this. I'm not even 100% saying trade him tomorrow. I think if the right deal comes you take it. But, like you said, it's doubtful that we would get close to full market value for him right now. The reason for this is because of the baggage he comes with. I mean, think about it, if he was receiving citizenship awards each season he'd probably be the most highly sought after FA behind Dwight.

The opinion I was really expressing in my OP here is that I just don't think he's going to be the guy who will lead us deep in the playoffs or to a championship.

Also, I'm done with this simply because this thread was about something else. DMC came up because of what that Bay Area writer tweeted and it made for an interesting debate.

 

[Bricklayer]

Agree, they are mostly off his jumpers and few are him going to the basket. That's what I am talking about increasing his easy baskets at the rim. His FG% and mood will go way up.

I've been pointing this out repeatedly, but his FG% is already up. After Jan 1 he shot .477, .526, .500. .490 for the remainder of the season. For a primary option creating many of his shots, those are strong numbers. But his strength is not as a finisher, its his creativity that is unequaled at the C position.

 

[Section 101]

I've been pointing this out repeatedly, but his FG% is already up. After Jan 1 he shot .477, .526, .500. .490 for the remainder of the season. For a primary option creating many of his shots, those are strong numbers. But his strength is not as a finisher, its his creativity that is unequaled at the C position.

Yes, but if he can get a few more easy baskets on pick and rolls or just get the ball when he is open it will increase his PPG and FG%. More easy baskets would also mean it opens the floor for him if they have to guard the wings.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes, but if he can get a few more easy baskets on pick and rolls or just get the ball when he is open it will increase his PPG and FG%. More easy baskets would also mean it opens the floor for him if they have to guard the wings.

No argument there. Just noting that a bunch of people who checked out of the Kings for a bit are returning and bringing with them old arguments that Boogie's efficiency is a huge issue. Well, it wasn't for the final 2/3 of the season. And that was with the PG play we had. He shot as well as the top All NBA centers from that point on. So yeah, always nice to get a few more easy hoops. But no, not the biggest issue going forward if he does nothing more than sustain, let alone continue his upward career arc.

 

[Section 101]

No argument there. Just noting that a bunch of people who checked out of the Kings for a bit are returning and bringing with them old arguments that Boogie's efficiency is a huge issue. Well, it wasn't for the final 2/3 of the season. And that was with the PG play we had. He shot as well as the top All NBA centers from that point on. So yeah, always nice to get a few more easy hoops. But no, not the biggest issue going forward if he does nothing more than sustain, let alone continue his upward career arc.

But it's just not Cuz, it's everyone that needs more easy baskets. Hayes and a few times Cuz were the only ones creating easy baskets consistently.

 

[IfAt1st]

I mentioned last year that DMC would already have All-Star numbers if they would simply set him up like most all other teams do their talented big men.
The entire Kings organization, on and off the floor, have isolated DMC and made him do everything singlehandedly.

We'd only see a well-run pick and roll with DMC once in a blue moon.
Like Brick, if we remotely had a competent coach and team that could run plays with proper spacing and ability to knock down open shots, I'm convinced Boogie would already have All-Star numbers so outrageous it would be impossible for the league to ignore them.

I am REALLY looking forward to seeing if the Kings can get a competent coach that can help DMC on the court to just get sick numbers on a consistent basis.
In fact, if I was a betting man, I'd look into the odds and put a wager in that DMC may well next season take home the Most Improved Player award.

 

[Glenn]

I mentioned last year that DMC would already have All-Star numbers if they would simply set him up like most all other teams do their talented big men.
The entire Kings organization, on and off the floor, have isolated DMC and made him do everything singlehandedly.

We'd only see a well-run pick and roll with DMC once in a blue moon.
Like Brick, if we remotely had a competent coach and team that could run plays with proper spacing and ability to knock down open shots, I'm convinced Boogie would already have All-Star numbers so outrageous it would be impossible for the league to ignore them.

I am REALLY looking forward to seeing if the Kings can get a competent coach that can help DMC on the court to just get sick numbers on a consistent basis.
In fact, if I was a betting man, I'd look into the odds and put a wager in that DMC may well next season take home the Most Improved Player award.

I am not convinced that Boogie has a clear idea of how to run a PnR (nor do I so maybe a bit of an explanation would be in order for us dummies) but what I saw was Boogie prematurely heading on a role to the basket and the PG completely ignoring him. It was like Boogie refused to set an adequate pick that would help the PG and got rewarded with nary a glance. It seems to me that Boogie rolling to the hoop would be hard to stop. He isn't a Tyreke (who is?) but for a guy his size he can take the ball to the rim as good or perhaps the best of anyone his size. It now is a wasted play as run by IT and Boogie unless I am totally confused on what is supposed to be happening. I swear I never saw Boogie get a pass on the role.

And to followup on what IfAT1st wrote, the standard play for Boogie was to give him the ball and let him fend for himself. He did OK but that's because of his skill set. He's good!