Hate piece about CWebb

#1
Man this is the most hatefull article I ever saw about CWebb's game tonight. Ric has always been an A hole.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&id=2024238


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Chris Webber returned to Arco Arena on Monday night and showed why Kings fans developed such deep-seated feelings about him during a seven-year run that lifted an after-thought of a team to a perennial playoff contender.



He also showed why the Kings are better off without him.



Webber, dealt to the Sixers in February as part of a six-player trade, finished with 20 points and 10 rebounds in 40 minutes, but then the man has always been able to wield that pterodactyl's wingspan and massive mitts to fill a stat sheet. He also can be damn entertaining, whether it's with his dramatic facial expressions or moves truly audacious for someone listed as 6-feet-10 and 245 pounds.



It's when he gets those numbers that has long raised skepticism about his superstar status. Tuesday night's 118-109 Kings' victory only provided more fodder: The Sixers trailed by two going into the fourth quarter. Webber played nine minutes in the final period and contributed one rebound and three points. The Kings led 102-97 when Webber returned from a three-minute breather, replacing Marc Jackson. Less than two minutes after that, Sacramento had made a 9-0 run and put the game away.



While Webber has sometimes been forgotten in the Sixers' offense while Allen Iverson runs rampant, that wasn't the case here. Webber wasn't ready for an Iverson pass to produce one turnover. The next came when Kyle Korver tried to feed him in the post and Webber couldn't reach the ball. An air ball jump hook over Kenny Thomas followed.



To make it all worse, Brian Skinner and Kenny Thomas made it look as if they should've been the featured players in the deal. Skinner had 13 points and 19 rebounds while Thomas chipped in 20 and 15, along with coaxing Webber, single-coverage and all, into a 8 for 26 shooting performance.



"Maybe they won't say it, but they both had a bounce to their step," coach Rick Adelman said. "They were ready to play."



For Webber, meanwhile, file this one under the heading: Not Getting It Done. Or, maybe: Same old, same old.





But if you're more into the WWE than Ws and Ls -- and, for some reason, that seemed to be the theme -- Webber delivered. Before the game he focused on distributing 30 or so tickets to friends. After the game he talked about his love for Sacramento and the friendships with Kings teammates that will endure, although it's worth noting that none got together with him when he arrived in town Sunday night, nor did any stick around to see him off after his press conference. He hit some early jumpers and made a couple of strong fourth-quarter drives to get to the free-throw line for his three points, but otherwise he made GM Geoff Petrie appear to be a freakin' genius. Even Kings coach Rick Adelman, who goes the extra mile to be diplomatic, couldn't disguise how little concern Webber warranted. "I told the team, it's all about how we play," he said. "After seven years, I know what Chris is going to do and where he's going to be. As you may have noticed, their offense is centered around Allen Iverson."



The night's emotions were centered on Webber, though, and everybody went along with it. The fans gave him a standing ovation of nearly a minute upon his introduction, the first half of which Webber whispered in Korver's ear as if to distract himself. These, after all, were fans who booed him when he tried to play his way back into form on his bad wheel last year and disrupted the flow the Kings had developed without him.



The fans outlasted him, though, forcing Webber to look up and around the arena and applaud them in return. A nice gesture, to be sure, though with Webber you never quite know what's sincere and what is simply the role he's chosen to play for the night.



He then reverted to his long-running I'm-a-badass persona once the ball went up, a recurring role that he first broke out with the Fab Five in Michigan. This time, though, he didn't play it with the same intensity seen in his first meetings with the Wizards, say, after they traded him or the first few times he faced Don Nelson after his exodus from the Warriors. He buried a 20-foot jumper 11 seconds into the game and then peered around Skinner to glower at former teammate Mike Bibby, as if to say, "Bring it." When Bibby drove for a layup, Webber stepped over to challenge the shot and knocked Bibby on his back in the follow-through, as if to say, "Don't think I won't." Or maybe it was: "Yeah, I didn't do much of that when I was here this season but that doesn't mean I can't."



Then, when Peja Stojakovic came at him on a breakaway and missed a leaner, Webber grabbed the rebound and smirked, as if to say, "I told you he was soft." This being the Peja he vaguely accused last summer of not being tough enough and therefore a reason why the Kings never reached the NBA Finals. When another turnover produced another Stojakovic drive on Webber, Stojakovic finished this one and drew a foul as well. Webber patted referee Gary Zielinski on the butt, said, "Good call," and then sneered all the way back to the 76ers' bench. A little later, he grabbed a rebound and bounce-passed it behind his back to Iverson while staring at the Kings' bench, as if to say, "Yeah, you once had a big man who could that."



All that, though, merely proved to be for show. If he really held any animosity or resentment toward his former teammates, it had dissipated by the second quarter. By the fourth quarter, so had his effectiveness. That left the door open for the other guys in the deal -- Thomas and Skinner -- to demonstrate that they had some emotions tied up in the night as well. Skinner also played nine minutes in the final period, only his line read: five rebounds, two assists, one steal, two blocked shots, two points.



It is, of course, only one night and 76ers coach Jim O'Brien is gradually finding a way to take advantage of Webber's strengths and protect his weaknesses. The Sixers no longer blitz pick and rolls but force the ball to the baseline, saving Webber from having to jump out and back, since he can't. While Iverson remains their offensive focal point, they mixed in enough plays for Webber against the Kings to keep him happy.



But the Kings clearly aren't mourning his absence. They are playing with the zest of men freed from bondage. Maybe they aren't any more of a threat to win a title this year than they were with him -- but the way they looked Tuesday night, they certainly aren't any less.



As one visiting scout suggested, upon hearing the standing ovation: "I wonder if they're applauding that he's gone."
 
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#3
Did AV ghost that, or did Ric just take her themes from the past six years and insert facts from tonight? Just curious.

In truth, though, Ric does make one good point. CWebb failed in his attempt to show the Kings what they are supposed to be missing. In fact, he showed them why addition by subtraction isn't always a bad thing, and is sometimes necessary. Ric, as he is known to do, uses a little slight of hand and melding of circumstances in an attempt to produce "facts" to support his case, but I think his point is a valid one anyway.

Besides, I guess the editors at ESPN told Ric he had to write something to show he wasn't the white Ahmad Rashaad to Kobe's Jordan, so he had to come out spewing vinegar.
 
#4
He should have at least mentioned that the 76ers/Webber meltdown in the 4th quarter may have had something to do with playing their 3rd game in 4 days. While the Kings were home resting the day before. Even Iverson was out of gas in the 4th quarter.
 
#5
That was the most horrible article I have EVER read, absolutely one-sided, and ALL the facts were twisted to make everything negative..even CWEbbs standing O was made to feel like it didn't mean anything...Yeah that's it...Arco were cheering for Webb because they're glad he's gone!:rolleyes: Sometimes I have to wonder how these people are employed as journalists...they seem more suited to be writers of fiction with their vivid imaginations. THAT ARTICLE WAS GARBAGE...AND I'M SORRY I HAD TO READ IT!!:mad:
 
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EmKingsFan4 said:
That was the most horrible article I have EVER read, absolutely one-sided, and ALL the facts were twisted to make everything negative..even CWEbbs standing O was made to feel like it didn't mean anything...Yeah that's it...Arco were cheering for Webb because they're glad he's gone! Sometimes I have to wonder how these people are employed as journalists...they seem more suited to be writers of fiction with their vivid imaginations. THAT ARTICLE WAS GARBAGE...AND I'M SORRY I HAD TO READ IT!!
lol I warned you. It is like when someone says ''don't look down'' when crossing a bridge on foot
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#7
Well, that one's so blatant though that you don't even have to worry about anyone taking it seriously. Its kind of like talk radio for the haters, and to the rest of the world its just worth a couple of :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .
 
#8
I hated that article but what pissed me off the most was that he acted like he was in Webber's head "as if to say". This guy has no clue what Chris was thinking or would have said, especially when it comes to Bibby. Those 2 were always close friends and I doubt that's changed just because he was traded. They call this guy a journalist???? They shouldn't !!!
 
#9
These were some postgame quotes from Webb so it definitely seems to me he is at least still close with Bibby. This guys article was GARBAGE like I said before. From now on when I see his name on something I WILL make a point to NOT read it! Tha Sac fans have nothing but love and respect for CWebb..and to belittle his standing O by somehow insinuating that the crowd was cheering for him leaving is DISGUSTING and DESPICABLE! blech!



I really tried not to focus on this game. You all have got to remember that I’m still friends with these guys, so I talk to them everyday or mostly everyday about everything. I was talking to Mike (Bibby) the other day, he really reminded me, he was like, ‘Thursday you’re going to be here, so I’m going to come pick you up.’ So I was like ‘damn, we are going to play you guys.’ It’s something I’ve tried not to make a big deal about. I want to keep these memories here in Sacramento as the best I’ve ever had.
I wanted to win but it’s going to me and those guys in the (Kings) locker room that I’m going to be friends with when we can’t even walk from all this playing. To think of something negatively or to try and make it something big in your head, I did not want this that way at all. I wanted to come here, win, smile, see the families and the kids, and keep a good memory of Sacramento.”
 
#10
AleksandarN said:
Man this is the most hatefull article I has ever saw about CWebb's game tonight. Ric has always been an A hole.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&id=2024238


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Chris Webber returned to Arco Arena on Monday night and showed why Kings fans developed such deep-seated feelings about him during a seven-year run that lifted an after-thought of a team to a perennial playoff contender.



He also showed why the Kings are better off without him.



Webber, dealt to the Sixers in February as part of a six-player trade, finished with 20 points and 10 rebounds in 40 minutes, but then the man has always been able to wield that pterodactyl's wingspan and massive mitts to fill a stat sheet. He also can be damn entertaining, whether it's with his dramatic facial expressions or moves truly audacious for someone listed as 6-feet-10 and 245 pounds.



It's when he gets those numbers that has long raised skepticism about his superstar status. Tuesday night's 118-109 Kings' victory only provided more fodder: The Sixers trailed by two going into the fourth quarter. Webber played nine minutes in the final period and contributed one rebound and three points. The Kings led 102-97 when Webber returned from a three-minute breather, replacing Marc Jackson. Less than two minutes after that, Sacramento had made a 9-0 run and put the game away.



While Webber has sometimes been forgotten in the Sixers' offense while Allen Iverson runs rampant, that wasn't the case here. Webber wasn't ready for an Iverson pass to produce one turnover. The next came when Kyle Korver tried to feed him in the post and Webber couldn't reach the ball. An air ball jump hook over Kenny Thomas followed.



To make it all worse, Brian Skinner and Kenny Thomas made it look as if they should've been the featured players in the deal. Skinner had 13 points and 19 rebounds while Thomas chipped in 20 and 15, along with coaxing Webber, single-coverage and all, into a 8 for 26 shooting performance.



"Maybe they won't say it, but they both had a bounce to their step," coach Rick Adelman said. "They were ready to play."



For Webber, meanwhile, file this one under the heading: Not Getting It Done. Or, maybe: Same old, same old.





But if you're more into the WWE than Ws and Ls -- and, for some reason, that seemed to be the theme -- Webber delivered. Before the game he focused on distributing 30 or so tickets to friends. After the game he talked about his love for Sacramento and the friendships with Kings teammates that will endure, although it's worth noting that none got together with him when he arrived in town Sunday night, nor did any stick around to see him off after his press conference. He hit some early jumpers and made a couple of strong fourth-quarter drives to get to the free-throw line for his three points, but otherwise he made GM Geoff Petrie appear to be a freakin' genius. Even Kings coach Rick Adelman, who goes the extra mile to be diplomatic, couldn't disguise how little concern Webber warranted. "I told the team, it's all about how we play," he said. "After seven years, I know what Chris is going to do and where he's going to be. As you may have noticed, their offense is centered around Allen Iverson."



The night's emotions were centered on Webber, though, and everybody went along with it. The fans gave him a standing ovation of nearly a minute upon his introduction, the first half of which Webber whispered in Korver's ear as if to distract himself. These, after all, were fans who booed him when he tried to play his way back into form on his bad wheel last year and disrupted the flow the Kings had developed without him.



The fans outlasted him, though, forcing Webber to look up and around the arena and applaud them in return. A nice gesture, to be sure, though with Webber you never quite know what's sincere and what is simply the role he's chosen to play for the night.



He then reverted to his long-running I'm-a-badass persona once the ball went up, a recurring role that he first broke out with the Fab Five in Michigan. This time, though, he didn't play it with the same intensity seen in his first meetings with the Wizards, say, after they traded him or the first few times he faced Don Nelson after his exodus from the Warriors. He buried a 20-foot jumper 11 seconds into the game and then peered around Skinner to glower at former teammate Mike Bibby, as if to say, "Bring it." When Bibby drove for a layup, Webber stepped over to challenge the shot and knocked Bibby on his back in the follow-through, as if to say, "Don't think I won't." Or maybe it was: "Yeah, I didn't do much of that when I was here this season but that doesn't mean I can't."



Then, when Peja Stojakovic came at him on a breakaway and missed a leaner, Webber grabbed the rebound and smirked, as if to say, "I told you he was soft." This being the Peja he vaguely accused last summer of not being tough enough and therefore a reason why the Kings never reached the NBA Finals. When another turnover produced another Stojakovic drive on Webber, Stojakovic finished this one and drew a foul as well. Webber patted referee Gary Zielinski on the butt, said, "Good call," and then sneered all the way back to the 76ers' bench. A little later, he grabbed a rebound and bounce-passed it behind his back to Iverson while staring at the Kings' bench, as if to say, "Yeah, you once had a big man who could that."



All that, though, merely proved to be for show. If he really held any animosity or resentment toward his former teammates, it had dissipated by the second quarter. By the fourth quarter, so had his effectiveness. That left the door open for the other guys in the deal -- Thomas and Skinner -- to demonstrate that they had some emotions tied up in the night as well. Skinner also played nine minutes in the final period, only his line read: five rebounds, two assists, one steal, two blocked shots, two points.



It is, of course, only one night and 76ers coach Jim O'Brien is gradually finding a way to take advantage of Webber's strengths and protect his weaknesses. The Sixers no longer blitz pick and rolls but force the ball to the baseline, saving Webber from having to jump out and back, since he can't. While Iverson remains their offensive focal point, they mixed in enough plays for Webber against the Kings to keep him happy.



But the Kings clearly aren't mourning his absence. They are playing with the zest of men freed from bondage. Maybe they aren't any more of a threat to win a title this year than they were with him -- but the way they looked Tuesday night, they certainly aren't any less.



As one visiting scout suggested, upon hearing the standing ovation: "I wonder if they're applauding that he's gone."

This article isn't even worthy for TP.
 
#11
You don't know who is worse. The "writer" (using the term writer very loosely here) or ESPN for promoting this kind od junk journalism. They can both go to hell for all I care :)
 
#12
I think it was Sloter that wrote that...:D


Anyway, it was kind of interesting to watch Thomas during the game. On probably 3 seperate occasions after he made a nice play/bucket he would turn around and stare directly at O'Brien.
 
#13
It's just one person's delusions. There was a time where these kinds of baseless articles would really get me riled up, but now I could really care less.
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
#14
KingKong said:
It's just one person's delusions. There was a time where these kinds of baseless articles would really get me riled up, but now I could really care less.
I agree, KingKong. It is a shame that nasty, horrid people are given a pen (or a keyboard) to write such vial garbage. When a person writes something about someone else with such an obviously hateful slant they show themselves in their true light. Or should I say darkness?

 
#15
AleksandarN said:
Then, when Peja Stojakovic came at him on a breakaway and missed a leaner, Webber grabbed the rebound and smirked, as if to say, "I told you he was soft." This being the Peja he vaguely accused last summer of not being tough enough and therefore a reason why the Kings never reached the NBA Finals. When another turnover produced another Stojakovic drive on Webber, Stojakovic finished this one and drew a foul as well. Webber patted referee Gary Zielinski on the butt, said, "Good call," and then sneered all the way back to the 76ers' bench. A little later, he grabbed a rebound and bounce-passed it behind his back to Iverson while staring at the Kings' bench, as if to say, "Yeah, you once had a big man who could that."

"

Yeap,but also we had once big man whose know how to shot 5-25.
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
#16
Raci said:
Yeap,but also we had once big man whose know how to shot 5-25.
Raci, don't get down on Webber for thinking those things. There is no indication whatsoever that any of that was in his mind. The author can not and did not read those things from Webber's mind but created them from his own mind.
 
D

DeAtHrOw

Guest
#19
I did not mind the article until the writer starting making up what Webber was thinking throughout the game. That is not professional and no one knows what Webber was thinking but C-Webb himself.


Just as a side note, I do think this trade has made Kings a better team.
 
#20
^I agree with you, DeAtHrOw. I thought the article started off OK until Ric started acting like he's CWebb...that was funny and stupid. LOL. I don't think Webb was thinking any of those stuff at all. But I do agree that Skinner and Thomas really wanted to prove something to the 76ers than Webb proving it to the Kings. I knew they were going to have good games and I'm glad they did.
 
D

DeAtHrOw

Guest
#21
Twix said:
^I agree with you, DeAtHrOw. I thought the article started off OK until Ric started acting like he's CWebb...that was funny and stupid. LOL. I don't think Webb was thinking any of those stuff at all. But I do agree that Skinner and Thomas really wanted to prove something to the 76ers than Webb proving it to the Kings. I knew they were going to have good games and I'm glad they did.

Maybe Ric should try a new career....mind reader anyone?
 
#24
"He then reverted to his long-running I'm-a-badass persona once the ball went up, a recurring role that he first broke out with the Fab Five in Michigan."

He does have that persona a little bit.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#26
Ric Bucher has, once again, fully met my expectations of what an article by him about Chris Webber would contain.

This is, in a way, pathetic. Bucher apparently doesn't get it and never will. He's on the outside looking in, trying to figure out what REAL fans are talking about, not only in this instance but in almost eveyr article he writes.

There's an old saying that I'm going to modify: Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who can't do OR teach are reduced to writing spiteful articles about those who can.

Now you'll have to excuse me. I need some fire starter so I think I'll print out a copy of this sad attempt at sports writing.
 
#28
Twix I agree with what you said about it meaning more to Skinner and Thomas. For them it's personal they want to PROVE they were worth it. whereas for Webb it's emotional, just being in the visitors locker room was probably a trip let alone wearing a sixers jersey with your former home crowd of seven years hoping for you to loose. You could tell he was just trying to have a good time.