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...when this team moves the ball during the entire game, they win? Tonight, being without Tyreke Evans, this team was forced to play team basketball and it showed that that's how this team needs to play every night, with our without their star player(s). I used to knock on Westphal for not giving Reke a lot of touches, but now I understand why he's an NBA coach and I'm just a fan. For the past two games in the clutch, we've given the ball to Evans and said "Go win us the game." It didn't work.
 
Its all about teaching Tyreke and giving him experience in those situations. Its not about Ws here and now. Its about what we are building towards.

When its crunch time in that play off game, where we need a score to win in the last seconds, we will absolutelty throw the ball to Tyreke and let him work. His failures against Cavs and Lakers will be repayed then.

Its not about here and now but its all about the future.
 
It did work three times just the previous week.

The two teams we fell short against just happened to be the best two teams in the league, led by the best two players. Those teams have won two-thirds of their road games, as opposed to the Nuggets who are sub-.500 on the road.
 
It's not exactly rocket science. Moving the ball bodes well for any team in the NBA, not just us. And yes, Tyreke takes a little too long to get into the motion of the offense, but as the previous poster said, there isn't anyone else on the team who we would rather go to other than Tyreke.

To be honest, Denver didn't have a great game either. They missed a ton of free throws, those of which they normally make very consistently. If they played at a level they normally play at, then we lose this game.

Reke isn't the only one to blame, especially when there have been many times were the rest of the team was cold and Reke was the only one producing for us.
 
Its all about teaching Tyreke and giving him experience in those situations. Its not about Ws here and now. Its about what we are building towards.

When its crunch time in that play off game, where we need a score to win in the last seconds, we will absolutelty throw the ball to Tyreke and let him work. His failures against Cavs and Lakers will be repayed then.

Its not about here and now but its all about the future.

I don't know. I trust PW. He's definitely my favorite coach of all time. But I'm still having a hard time understanding this policy of having just one guy be responsible for whether we win or lose. When it comes time for that playoff game, do you really want to be totally reliant on just ONE guy? As good as he will be, and he will be great, I think great team basketball will always be more efficient and get better results than a superstar playing one-on-five.
 
I'm with you on this. BUT, we need to remember that Tyreke is a rookie. He will make mistakes and we will have to live through them if we want to see him grow. It will take time. Right now as much as Tyreke Evans says he just wants to focus on playing ball, I'm quite sure the pressure of a superstar in the making is building on him. He feels a need to do superstar like things, and doesn't trust his team mates enough.

He will though, that I'm confident of. We just need to give him time. We'll lose a couple of games because of this, but that's just part of the learning process. Anyway we don't need to win that many games now do we? Remember, Kobe was still a very selfish player until a few seasons ago, and Lebron ... Ok in lebron's case it's slightly different because his team actually is incompetent.
 
I'm sorry but I am going to defend Tyreke in this case... He is the star and the go to guy.. He's the one I want taking the shot.. It's not like he's John Freaking Salmons or anything. Do you think the Cav fans get mad that LeBron holds the ball? Or Laker fans that Kobe holds the ball? We got a potential superstar here so I want him to have the ball..

Plus if you watched his college games you would KNOW that he needs the ball to be effective. So Evans not having the ball won't help the Kings.
 
When it comes time for that playoff game, do you really want to be totally reliant on just ONE guy?

That's exaggerating what PW is going for. He wanted to put Tyreke in that situation in a couple of games, which doesn't mean that every game is going to end in a series of Iso's for Reke. We're talking about one play at the end of the Cavs game which wasn't executed properly, and a sequence in the Lakers game where everyone acknowledges he didn't handle the situation as hoped for.

No, you don't want to be totally reliant on one guy, but make no mistake that to win playoff series you'd better HAVE that ONE guy.
 
...when this team moves the ball during the entire game, they win? Tonight, being without Tyreke Evans, this team was forced to play team basketball and it showed that that's how this team needs to play every night, with our without their star player(s). I used to knock on Westphal for not giving Reke a lot of touches, but now I understand why he's an NBA coach and I'm just a fan. For the past two games in the clutch, we've given the ball to Evans and said "Go win us the game." It didn't work.

Let me ask you a question..

If we were in the same situation last night as we were against LA and CLE. Tie game, last possession of the game - what play would you have run last night without Tyreke? What sort of play and who would've taken the shot?
 
I don't know. I trust PW. He's definitely my favorite coach of all time. But I'm still having a hard time understanding this policy of having just one guy be responsible for whether we win or lose. When it comes time for that playoff game, do you really want to be totally reliant on just ONE guy? As good as he will be, and he will be great, I think great team basketball will always be more efficient and get better results than a superstar playing one-on-five.
In Europe yes but NBA is TOTALLY different game and its a superstar driven league!

In the NBA you absolutely need that Superstar taking over in crunchtime of a play off game. Tyreke is our guy and he has the potential to be real good. He has shown some tendancies to be real clutch player this year. Sure he had 2 failures against Cavs and Lakers but lets not forget that he won us the games against Wizards, Bucks and Bulls with us going to him down the stretch!

Every championship winning team (other than possibly the Pistons of this decade) were built around a superstar that takes over in crunch time. Its a winning formula in the NBA and has been forever.

In europe its a whole different ball game.
 
Westphal was just on with Grant and Mike. They asked him about Tyreke and the last shot of regulation. He started by saying he didn't even think he needed to explain, but, said that at the end of regulation with the score tied, you want to get the last shot and make sure that the other team doesn't have a chance to get a shot. He said that the one, four flat is the safest way to do that.

He said you could try running different plays with the ball being moved etc. But there's too much chance of a turnover when you do that. So you put the ball in the hands of your best player and he simply waits till the clock is at around 7 seconds and then you start your move, and hopefull you put the shot up with 3 seconds left on the clock. That way there's a chance for an offensive put back, but not enough time for the other team to run a fast break down the floor.

He did say that Tyreke waited a little to long to start to make his move, but thats how you learn. There are no shortcuts. I happen to agree with him on his approach. Its different than running a play at the end of the third quarter. You make a mistake then and the game isn't over. But you make a mistake at the end of regulation, you lose..
 
Westphal was just on with Grant and Mike. They asked him about Tyreke and the last shot of regulation. He started by saying he didn't even think he needed to explain, but, said that at the end of regulation with the score tied, you want to get the last shot and make sure that the other team doesn't have a chance to get a shot. He said that the one, four flat is the safest way to do that.

He said you could try running different plays with the ball being moved etc. But there's too much chance of a turnover when you do that. So you put the ball in the hands of your best player and he simply waits till the clock is at around 7 seconds and then you start your move, and hopefull you put the shot up with 3 seconds left on the clock. That way there's a chance for an offensive put back, but not enough time for the other team to run a fast break down the floor.

He did say that Tyreke waited a little to long to start to make his move, but thats how you learn. There are no shortcuts. I happen to agree with him on his approach. Its different than running a play at the end of the third quarter. You make a mistake then and the game isn't over. But you make a mistake at the end of regulation, you lose..

That's actually a very good explanation. OK, I'm with PW. That was the right play to do in that situation.
 
Westphal was just on with Grant and Mike. They asked him about Tyreke and the last shot of regulation. He started by saying he didn't even think he needed to explain, but, said that at the end of regulation with the score tied, you want to get the last shot and make sure that the other team doesn't have a chance to get a shot. He said that the one, four flat is the safest way to do that.

He said you could try running different plays with the ball being moved etc. But there's too much chance of a turnover when you do that. So you put the ball in the hands of your best player and he simply waits till the clock is at around 7 seconds and then you start your move, and hopefull you put the shot up with 3 seconds left on the clock. That way there's a chance for an offensive put back, but not enough time for the other team to run a fast break down the floor.

He did say that Tyreke waited a little to long to start to make his move, but thats how you learn. There are no shortcuts. I happen to agree with him on his approach. Its different than running a play at the end of the third quarter. You make a mistake then and the game isn't over. But you make a mistake at the end of regulation, you lose..

And again Westphal is almost scary in anticipating some of my arguments sometimes. That is precisely the reason that that iso is used. Its the simplest play in basketball. Everything is clear. There are no mistakes to be made. No way it should end up in disaster and you losing the game. You either get a shot off, or if they come to double you the passing lanes to the man they doubled off of are wide open. Just doesn't work unless you have "that guy", and frankly we never have before and so might not be familiar with it. Even Webb was a PF and didn't start to emerge as a clutch player until the final year before his injury.
 
For the past two games in the clutch, we've given the ball to Evans and said "Go win us the game." It didn't work.

thats not evans' fault, well it is to an extent but it really isnt. if we had better team play for the entire game we wouldnt have to rely on tyreke to win it for us at the end of games. its a issue that took kobe 10 years(lebron 1 day) to figure out. he has to learn to get his teammates going early, they should be getting their shots in the beginning so that they will be ready in clutch situations.

ball movement, like defense is contagious... if he can instill that confidence in his teammates we wont have to worry about relying on tyreke to go one-on-one at the end of every game. the problem that we have with that is that evans isnt very effective playing without the ball. if he takes care of that, then playing with martin wont be an issue and we can become an elite team again. we cant have them taking turns with the ball like they did in those first 5 games and he continued to do when beno was starting. he has complete control of the ball now with omri and donte. but you see how that has affected the flow of the offense, which screws up the defense.
 
hehe.. Like a week and a half ago he made a thread saying Evans needs the ball..

thats why they are called fans, they are fanatics... when he plays he's god, when he doesnt he's trash...:cool:
 
Westphal was just on with Grant and Mike. They asked him about Tyreke and the last shot of regulation. He started by saying he didn't even think he needed to explain, but, said that at the end of regulation with the score tied, you want to get the last shot and make sure that the other team doesn't have a chance to get a shot. He said that the one, four flat is the safest way to do that.

He said you could try running different plays with the ball being moved etc. But there's too much chance of a turnover when you do that. So you put the ball in the hands of your best player and he simply waits till the clock is at around 7 seconds and then you start your move, and hopefull you put the shot up with 3 seconds left on the clock. That way there's a chance for an offensive put back, but not enough time for the other team to run a fast break down the floor.

He did say that Tyreke waited a little to long to start to make his move, but thats how you learn. There are no shortcuts. I happen to agree with him on his approach. Its different than running a play at the end of the third quarter. You make a mistake then and the game isn't over. But you make a mistake at the end of regulation, you lose..

Thank you. Can everyone shut the **** up now so we can move on?
 
I really REALLY like the way Paul Westphal is handling this team!

Right now Tyreke is your "GO TO" Guy in clutch situations. He is a 20 year old rookie. He is going to fail and make mistakes. BUT until he has been in that situation many MANY times, he wont be as comfortable as he will be in the future. Westphal is building for the future. He is molding his "Go To" guy now in December where the games are worth 1 in the W column. There will come a time when time is running out, and we NEED a hoop.

Maybe Martin is back to set up for a pass out of the double team down the road. But Evans needs to run that last second play over and over again to see what works and what does not work. Evans will be in that situation many MANY times in his future. He is THAT type of player. The type of player who you WANT to have the ball one on one with ANYONE guarding him. You want him to figure out what to do and how to do in, so in the future it will be automatic! We all have to understand that Tyreke Evans is S P E C I A L !

From what I have seen of Evans so far in his young career, I want him to have the ball in his hands with the clock running out do decide the game. The Kid is C L U T C H ! There are VERY FEW CLUTCH players in the NBA. If it turns out that Evans is a bona fide C L U T C H player, then the Kings are on their way to a winning season. The Players Tyreke has around him now are pretty good. When Martin and Garcia return to not only improve the team but to teach the young Mr. Evans how to finish and succeed in game ending situations, then the Kings will be well on their way to a return to respectability. Try to name every C L U T C H player you can think of. The list would be debatable, but one thing isn't. C L U T C H players play on good teams. C L U T C H is the ability to perform with the game on the line and the clock running down. Many very good players turn down those shots because they are NOT C L U T C H.

With Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans in the same back court, teams are going to have a great deal of trouble double teaming both players. If Kevin can return to his regular scoring prowess, and Evans can keep up his great play as a rookie, the Kings will be almost unguardable down the stretch of close games. The way the Kings Defense has improved with the addition of Evans guarding the other team's best perimeter player, and the improved defense of Donte Greene and JT, the Kings are on the verge of going on a nice winning streak. Defense, rebounding, and clutch scoring at the end of games will turn around those games we have been barely losing into games that we are wining. When we pass the 17 win plateau this month, people will began to believe that this team has made a transformation into a team that can compete with the very best teams. When Martin and Evans start playing a 2 man game with the other 3 players moving and setting screens, the Kings are gonna look like a juggernaut! Kevin Martin can SCORE. When he has the ball, he either scores a basket or goes to the line. Evans has a devastating first move to the basket, and when he shoots he either gets fouled or he makes the shot. Evans is a slasher who has a decent outside shot. Martin is a deadly shooter who can also slash to the rim. There will be 3 other players on the floor making screens, and setting up for corner 3's if their man leaves them to double either 'Reke OR Martin. I like the way that will look at the end of games. It is VERY hard to double 2 WING players. You have to use bigs to double and that leaves the basket open for a dribble drive or a bounce pass for a layup. There are SOOOO many options.

I CAN NOT WAIT till Martin is healthy and back up to his usual self. That should take about 5 games. And if teams double on Martin and Evans, do they leave Casspi and Greene wide open in the corner for the short 3 point shots? It will be pick your poison time! Have Brockman in there to scratch and claw for an offensive rebound or a put back. The Kings are going to surprise some teams, but you can be sure that teams will be watching tape and they wont be sneaking up on people for much longer. All the more reason we will need clutch players as the season progresses. Teams will start taking away the first and second options so the offense will need to be working well to get shots for our scorers.

By the Way, Paul Westphal is no fool. He didn't come into what some thought was a reclaimation project! He arrived just in time to make a splash! Westphal is a great judge of talent as well. When he saw what the Kings had to work with EVEN BEFORE the draft, he was sold on coaching this team. How must he now feel with the added talent and the emergence of a unique player like Tyreke Evans? I bet he feels like he hit the LOTTERY ! Westphal is the perfect coach for the job too, because he is a TEACHER of the game. And now he has a team full of young, bright, and willing students that are ready to learn and give it their ALL to succeed! OH, Westphal must be Giddy with excitement! He is a leading candidate for Coach of the YEAR, and deservedly so. But with the GENIUS of Petrie, the enthusiasm of the Maloofs, and perhaps the best pupil that Westphal has EVER HAD in Tyreke Evans, this coaching job must look like the best job in the WORLD right now for Paul Westphal!

Now if Petrie can just perform one more miracle. We need one more solid big who can rebound and defend the paint. Not an allstar or even an allstar candidate. Just a solid vet who can remain healthy, get the defensive rebounds and maybe a few Offensive rebounds as well. And a Center that can play good one on one Defense on good centers, and help in team defense against Allstar caliber Centers. Petrie has several bargaining chips. K9's contract. He has a glut of wing players who all are playing great basketball, and he has the attraction of coming to an up an coming team that will be a contender in the next year or two baring any major injuries. Oh yes, Petrie has some leverage. There will be a solid big man on a team that is out of contention by the allstar break that will be looking to shed contracts before having to pay the luxury tax. In fact, Petrie may have several options to sort through. I trust that Petrie will get the right guy for the job, and put this Kings team OVER THE TOP. He can make the Kings a contender THIS YEAR if he can just pull off a trade that doesn't harm the chemistry the team already has and adds the one element that the Kings are lacking. I trust Petrie will succeed. :D
 
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