Livinthedream
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I wonder what the coaching staff see's with Giles. The talent is all there. There must be some type of disconnect when it comes to playing within the offensive and/or defensive schemes. That's all I can think of.
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He needs to get into game shape if hes going to play more than 10 mins.
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bajaden
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I agree, and game shape doesn't always refer to being physically in shape. The only way to get your timing back is to be actual games against players that are seriously trying to beat you. It's different than practice, where you get to know the little habits of your teammates. There are no surprises after a while. Basketball is a reactionary sport, and instinctive sport, and playing is the only way to hone those skills.
sactowndog
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The G League has a showcase event in Vegas this week where they get a number of games and lots of visibility. Giles will be playing in the showcase.
Wonder if it’s the prelude to a trade? The last roster player they sent to the showcase was Richardson.
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sactowndog
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More strange. Against OKC the gave 12 minutes to Ben, 16 to Skal and 19 to Williams while they sent Giles to the G league showcase. Does anyone else find that odd?
Tetsujin
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To be fair, Ben and Williams play a different position from HG and Kosta got into foul trouble early against the Thunder which kinda forced Skal into the game.
LPKingsFan
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I do wonder, though, are decisions to send guys up/down made by the coaching staff? Front office? Some combination?
sactowndog
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It’s not sending him down to a regular G league game. It’s sending him to the Vegas showcase which is basically a G league meat market for guys you want to trade.
The Hammer
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That should be purely gm stuff, but he'll rely heavily on the coaches, but 100% gms call there.
Livinthedream
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I hear what everyone is saying about Giles needing more minutes. I don't disagree. But the timing seems odd when the Kings are down so many players right now. Regardless of the fact that 2 are SFs that we're missing. I'm looking at healthy bodies you can throw out there. You pull Giles and you're now down 4 players. Someone gets in foul trouble and now half the team's gone.
sactowndog
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Giles reminds me of my daughter. She was tall and “energy efficient”. Here AAU coach put her at the end of the bench because she didn’t bring the energy he wanted.
Her high school coach said she had the highest basketball IQ of any player she ever had. She was first team all metro and played two years of D1 college after playing 4 years of volleyball. Giles is playing for the wrong coach. He needs to play for a Stevens or Pop who would appreciate and utilize his BBIQ.
Her high school coach said she had the highest basketball IQ of any player she ever had. She was first team all metro and played two years of D1 college after playing 4 years of volleyball. Giles is playing for the wrong coach. He needs to play for a Stevens or Pop who would appreciate and utilize his BBIQ.
BaDgEraffe
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sactowndog
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Depends where and how you play him.
Hoovtrain
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Looks great
SacKings123
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There's no denying his talent. It's all there. I believe his issue is calming down his anxiousness on the court and that comes from more experience and playtime.
sactowndog
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Giles makes 2 3’s and Joerger won’t even let him take one.
Hoovtrain
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Exactly. He looks so much more calm and like things have slowed down for him in these g league games
sactowndog
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As long as Dave Joerger is coach Giles needs to get out of Sac.... consider Joeger had given Troy Williams and Jakar Sampson more minutes than Giles.
I was watching the G League showcase last night. Giles and Williams were very unimpressive. There were plenty of scouts in the stands. No one could hit a shot on either team. Giles really lacks intensity. He plays too much like Skal and Willie. Too passive.
The NBA is full of grown men that play fast. It is not for everyone. Not even everyone with talent. The Kings really need a 5 with some attitude.
The NBA is full of grown men that play fast. It is not for everyone. Not even everyone with talent. The Kings really need a 5 with some attitude.
Those guys play different positions. You know that......right? Have you forgotten that Joerger gave Harry a spot in the rotation early on in the season and he proceeded to foul anything and everything that moved.
Has Joerger and his staff not done enough to muster some trust in developing our young guys?
Blob
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I watched him last night. Let me tell you about Giles, the good and the not so good. Giles has a beautiful offensive game. He has a soft touch. He has a face up game. He has a jab step. He has touch with his left hand. He has a drop step. He has a high release point. He can deliver pinpoint passes. It is not difficult to see why the Kings fell in love with him and drafted him when they did. The offensive repertoire is complete. Scoring is easy for him. Passing is easy for him. Reading and picking apart defenses is easy for him. He knows it and plays with a swagger and confidence. He will body his man in the post to create separation. This is a little thing but it is more than what Willie does.
Now, the not so good. He has an air of self-entitlement about him. He never had to try that hard to get rebounds or play defense because he was so much better athletically. He cannot fall back on that any more. He has to do his work early to get rebounds and take away real estate on the floor. He doesn't do that. He is not active enough. Not nearly enough. He doesn't respect his opponent enough, like Cousins back in the day. He needs to be humbled so that he transforms his mindset with regards to defending and rebounding. Maybe that is what the G League assignments are intended to do.
Giles runs in a straight line. I do not see him move laterally. When does he slide his feet to cut off penetration? I don't see it. You cannot be a good player in the NBA if you do not move laterally. If you only move in one plane. His hops are not great but look improved from the start of the year. If Giles wants to be taken seriously as a player, this is next step, play defense with your feet not your hands. Recognize you are not going up against high schoolers any more that you can overwhelm. The talent gap has closed. You need to exert more effort and technique to realize your potential.
Now, the not so good. He has an air of self-entitlement about him. He never had to try that hard to get rebounds or play defense because he was so much better athletically. He cannot fall back on that any more. He has to do his work early to get rebounds and take away real estate on the floor. He doesn't do that. He is not active enough. Not nearly enough. He doesn't respect his opponent enough, like Cousins back in the day. He needs to be humbled so that he transforms his mindset with regards to defending and rebounding. Maybe that is what the G League assignments are intended to do.
Giles runs in a straight line. I do not see him move laterally. When does he slide his feet to cut off penetration? I don't see it. You cannot be a good player in the NBA if you do not move laterally. If you only move in one plane. His hops are not great but look improved from the start of the year. If Giles wants to be taken seriously as a player, this is next step, play defense with your feet not your hands. Recognize you are not going up against high schoolers any more that you can overwhelm. The talent gap has closed. You need to exert more effort and technique to realize your potential.
Blob
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This is a harsh and incomplete assessment. Giles has a beautiful offensive game. See my post above for a more comprehensive analysis.
sactowndog
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I think this is fair. But some of what you see I think is Giles uses his intelligence to pace himself. You rarely see Giles make an all out effort to get a ball he has no chance of obtaining. That’s what guys like Williams and Sampson do. Lots of fans and coaches love it but it’s actually a negative energy play with low probability of success.
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