Harry Giles thread back on track ;)
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I would disagree having watched the Clippers and Spurs. As constructed the Kings have a problem. Two of our bigs can’t shoot outside of 5 feet. That allows teams like the Clippers to station Boban in the key and disrupt any drives to the basket. Joeger has tried to adddress it by playing Jackson at the 4 and that’s been a disaster.
Harry can shoot and we need to play him. Granted 10 minutes may be the max but he had a good plus minus with the Clippers.
Harry can shoot and we need to play him. Granted 10 minutes may be the max but he had a good plus minus with the Clippers.
Exactly. I kind of wanted to make a similar observation, but, I didn’t want to take the flak. Harry has a lot of potential, but much like Skal, he does not seem to have grasped the team concept, yet. He’s pretty much lost on team defense, but at times can make great individual defensive plays. On offense, he is ball dominant, feels like he has to make something happen every time the ball is in his hands, either score or make the dazzling pass. He can look great in iso, but he also forces shots and takes too many shots.
Harry had the misfortune of shining in summer league which only heightened the hype surrounding him. The media and the fans over hyped him and to a certain extent even the front office encouraged it. But the unrealistic expectations have probably hurt his development causing him to feel like every time out he has to perform to those expectations and when he comes up short only increases the pressure he feels.
Fans need to relax and let Joerger and the coaching staff bring him along at the right pace and hope Harry becomes more comfortable in the team concept on both sides of the ball.
Harry had the misfortune of shining in summer league which only heightened the hype surrounding him. The media and the fans over hyped him and to a certain extent even the front office encouraged it. But the unrealistic expectations have probably hurt his development causing him to feel like every time out he has to perform to those expectations and when he comes up short only increases the pressure he feels.
Fans need to relax and let Joerger and the coaching staff bring him along at the right pace and hope Harry becomes more comfortable in the team concept on both sides of the ball.
He's a bad tweener in regard to position. Doesn't have the quickness against PFs. Quicker ones just take him off the dribble and he doesn't know how to move his feet. He's got really low defensive IQ in this regard. On the other hand, Cs are able to dominate him down low because he lacks strength.
I think his best long-term position is at C. He just needs to get stronger. I don't think he can play PF. He just doesn't have the quickness
I think his best long-term position is at C. He just needs to get stronger. I don't think he can play PF. He just doesn't have the quickness
This is not saying much relative to the competition. MB3 is better as a defensive presence. Koufos effectiveness has regressed from a season ago. Kosta as an interior defender is barely above Willie. He is as porous or equal and we know that Willie is lacking. Kosta is is a placeholder until Giles is ready.
He made a few switching mistakes on defense and ran into guys on offense, but his contributions and energy outweighed them tonight.
I think he and Koufos will start alternating based on matchups. By the end of the year he will be playing, wether due to his growth, trading Willie, or the team just falling out of the race.
I think he and Koufos will start alternating based on matchups. By the end of the year he will be playing, wether due to his growth, trading Willie, or the team just falling out of the race.
Doug made a comment when Giles entered the game indicating that the Giles was in the process of learning to play PF.
Hopefully this is part of the plan that I couldn't put my finger on earlier. If Giles spent his entire first year learning to play C and then transitioning to a stretch 4 lite, then it makes since to ease him into playing.
Hopefully this is part of the plan that I couldn't put my finger on earlier. If Giles spent his entire first year learning to play C and then transitioning to a stretch 4 lite, then it makes since to ease him into playing.
Those who have complimented Giles on his hands were certainly proved correct last night. He just snatches the ball out of the air like it's an apple. Christie rightly talks about going after the ball with two hands for rebounds, but when you have mitts like Giles you can get the ball with one hand very nicely. He shows a balance and a soft touch on his outside shot that bodes very well going forward. I'll be surprised if he doesn't become a good 3 point shooter in a couple of years.
Joerger also has mentioned Giles is one of the strongest players on the team. He has a great work ethic in the gym but neither strength or lateral quickness translated much early on but he had his best game of his career last night. It was a bitter loss, the second in a row, but seeing Giles play like that is fantastic. 
. Willie becomes even more expendable than he already is, which is 100% expendable, when Giles shows he can defend and rebound. I think there would be reluctance to unload Willie if Giles did not show promise in these areas . One of two things will happen if Giles keeps rebounding and defending like last night (1) Willie is traded (2) Willie walks this summer.
When we were having debates before the draft, and declarations were being made MB3 was a defensive catastrophe, I made the point for MB3 to produce at such a high rate in the ACC at 18 years there had to be some defensive potential there. That is what we have subsequently seen from MB3. You can make the same case with regards to Giles. A guy who has so much offensive prowess, he is an even more talented scorer and passer than MB3, he has to be able to do something defensively too, or so logic would dictate. Part of lateral mobility is rebounding outside your area and cutting off driving angles without the reach foul. I still need to see more of this from Harry, then the sky's the limit.
I am not trying to create drama but I get the sense there is tension between Joerger and Giles. The post game comments hint there is issues. Giles thinks he should be playing more. Giles has not earned the confidence and trust of the coach. Joerger has been stingy with the playing time erring on the side of conservativeness. It has been the opposite with MB3. So to say the coach is fundamentally opposed to playing rookies significant minutes is incorrect. He needs to know Giles can hang defensively and last night was his best step yet in that direction, importantly too because his production was in the context of a comeback not garbage time.
Unfortunately the coach fell back on his neutral to negative assessment and did not "roll the dice" with Giles in the last 4:00 minutes of the game or OT or else I think we win. There is something intangible about infusing the team with energy and spirit not to mention execution. Giles did that then Willie comes back in and it was like the air being let out of the balloon. The Blazers hedge the pick and roll to funnel the ball to the worst offense player on the floor. That is Willie or Jackson. This is what smart coaches and teams do. Make the weak link beat you. Play off him just enough to allow him to receive the pass then converge on him and force him into a bad shot or pass. This is partly why Willie is not even viable as a backup in the long term. If you aspire to win 41 games then maybe he has a place. But the Kings have higher aspirations than this so I think the writing is on the wall.
. Willie becomes even more expendable than he already is, which is 100% expendable, when Giles shows he can defend and rebound. I think there would be reluctance to unload Willie if Giles did not show promise in these areas . One of two things will happen if Giles keeps rebounding and defending like last night (1) Willie is traded (2) Willie walks this summer. When we were having debates before the draft, and declarations were being made MB3 was a defensive catastrophe, I made the point for MB3 to produce at such a high rate in the ACC at 18 years there had to be some defensive potential there. That is what we have subsequently seen from MB3. You can make the same case with regards to Giles. A guy who has so much offensive prowess, he is an even more talented scorer and passer than MB3, he has to be able to do something defensively too, or so logic would dictate. Part of lateral mobility is rebounding outside your area and cutting off driving angles without the reach foul. I still need to see more of this from Harry, then the sky's the limit.
I am not trying to create drama but I get the sense there is tension between Joerger and Giles. The post game comments hint there is issues. Giles thinks he should be playing more. Giles has not earned the confidence and trust of the coach. Joerger has been stingy with the playing time erring on the side of conservativeness. It has been the opposite with MB3. So to say the coach is fundamentally opposed to playing rookies significant minutes is incorrect. He needs to know Giles can hang defensively and last night was his best step yet in that direction, importantly too because his production was in the context of a comeback not garbage time.
Unfortunately the coach fell back on his neutral to negative assessment and did not "roll the dice" with Giles in the last 4:00 minutes of the game or OT or else I think we win. There is something intangible about infusing the team with energy and spirit not to mention execution. Giles did that then Willie comes back in and it was like the air being let out of the balloon. The Blazers hedge the pick and roll to funnel the ball to the worst offense player on the floor. That is Willie or Jackson. This is what smart coaches and teams do. Make the weak link beat you. Play off him just enough to allow him to receive the pass then converge on him and force him into a bad shot or pass. This is partly why Willie is not even viable as a backup in the long term. If you aspire to win 41 games then maybe he has a place. But the Kings have higher aspirations than this so I think the writing is on the wall.
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