Harrison Barnes Likely to Receive $88 mill over 4 Years
- Thread starter Kangztillidie
- Start date
Telemachus
Starter
Times have changed in recent years to make it easier for small markets to attract FAs. With League Pass, it has made it so that players are seen no matter where they play. That wasn't the case 20+ years ago. If you didn't get national tv games, no one knew you very well, which resulted in less endorsements.
Even teams like SA got most of their good players through the draft. Most of the FAs they signed (untill recently) were role players. The same was true of the Kings when they were good. All the big name FAs still went to the big cities. That made itdifficult for them to stay good when things started going south.
tyguy
Bench
Passing on a future superstar like Doncic and then severely overpaying a non difference maker like Harrison Barnes is how you stay mediocre. There was a path to future title contention, and we took the wrong turn.
That’s the story of this franchise post Petrie. Maybe the next time we are gifted an opportunity we won’t screw it up?
That’s the story of this franchise post Petrie. Maybe the next time we are gifted an opportunity we won’t screw it up?
jcassio
Starter
Wow. Your analysis reminds me of the blind guy describing an elephant.
tyguy
Bench
I have a few posts that really dive deep that would be pointless to spam over and over. You can read those and if you still feel the same way afterwards then so be it.
I'm not convinced Bagley won't be the best player out of that draft yet. Originally I liked Doncic, but after watching Bagley improve over the season, I really don't think about the draft anymore. I'm happy my first impressions were off.
Assuming the overpay occurs for Barnes, I don't like it much, but will move on.
? He was averaging 14.3 ppg and 5.5 rpg for the Kings.....so yeah if he jumped to 18ppg avg that would be an strong uptick, and validate his 1st year of contract.
Heuge
Starter
While I completely disagree with your assessment I must point out, we sucked long before Petrie left. He gave us 7 years of really crapy choices before he was replaced by the worst GM ever.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
True, but SA has always been connected to top free agents and a reasonably possible destination. Obviously LaMarcus Aldridge went there. That kind of thing wouldn’t have happened if they had been on the same path as the KINGS all these years.
To your other point, I believe you’re spot on with league pass and smaller markets not precluding players from visibility and endorsement contracts.
Last edited:
Entity
Hall of Famer
You realize he only average 6 attempts per game right? In Dallas he averaged 11 and got 19 pts per game. I don’t understand why people fail to pay attention to attempts per game when they are arguing about 4 ppg. To me a playe getting 14 on 6 shots is equally as good as a player getting 18 on 11 shots. It’s not hard to figure that on 5 more attempts 4 points would come easy
Entity
Hall of Famer
To add to that. If you take away the first 6 games in which consisted of a 4 game road trip. So the month of March he averaged 16 pts a game. I think 18 isn’t far fetched and will probably be around what he gets. 16-19
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
You’re right. However, it’s long been my contention that Petrie’s hands became tied by the desperate and cash strapped Magoof family for numerous seasons prior to his departure.
Firing Rick Adelman wasn’t Mr. Petrie’s idea. There was friction between the coach and owners who had become more hands on and arrogant that they knew better.
Tyreke Evans was the Magoof’s draft pick — who thought they were getting the next Derrick Rose. I firmly believe Petrie would have went with Steph Curry, who perfectly fit all the attributes he coveted and focused on well before Warriors made it fashionable. Shooting, passing, BBIQ. But there’s no way to know that for sure.
Then the owners handicapped subsequent coaching hires by not allowing him to offer the amount of $$ it would take to attract a top guy. They went dumpster diving for retreads that didn’t have other options and accepted well below market value.
None of that is on Geoff Petrie.
Let’s not forget that upon being shown the door when the new regime came in, he advised to KINGS to take a hard look at Giannis Antetokoumpo — which they really didn’t do.
We’ll never know what Petrie would have done for sure, if allowed to keep his job with full control and resources restored under the new ownership group, but my belief is that Giannis would have been a KING rather than Ben McLemore. Not only do we have confirmation that he advised the KINGS to research him deeply, he fit the type of player Petrie always looked for.
Last edited:
If he's to be the lead player or 2nd lead and can make 19ppg efficiently, all for it - but it has to occur. I wouldn't just assume it will occur - the Kings are not lacking for offense from other players like they were the year before last. If it looks like Barnes is leading the charge, and the Kings are improving from last season, then he's earning his salary which is satisfactory. This is not fully under Barnes control either.
Saw Petrie on a shared flight from Kauai last year back to the mainland.....I didn't recognize him at first, but was trying to figure out why he looked familiar. When the recognition lightbulb came on, my first impulse was to say hello and ask a question or 2, but I thought better of bothering him.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I’m not assuming. If he gets 11-12 shots a game he will get 18 pts per game. If he gets 6-7 shots per game he will not. He proved to be just as efficient as buddy and fox. He just didn’t shoot as much.
Heuge
Starter
For fear of moving too far off topic and beating a dead horse, I’ll be brief. I’ve never bought these excuses, I think there is some speculation and false facts embedded. Petrie had 7 years to leave if he was truly being a Magoof puppet. I speculate that if he was merely a puppet, he is the type of personality who would leave, not sign contract extensions.
Again, this probably belongs in its own thread or even pull up one of the old threads that belabors these arguments and counter arguments over and over again.
I have no idea if they will be focusing the offense around him or not, and yes, you are assuming. That's what the word "if" dictates that you used.
If -- defined as "on the assumption that". I dont know what you're going on about honestly. The past is an indication but it isn't a cause and effect.
Barnes could go into a shooting slump just as well too. We don't know.
So I think opportunity cost is definitely matters with Barnes too because you're not replacing what he does as a the 3/4 flex with any of the guys you're signing. Aminu is basically a pure small-ball PF at this point (95%, 96%, 99% possessions played at PF according to BBall ref). Whats your replacement guy look like? When you're trying to actually win games, not having a complete sink at that spot (Like JJ, Troy Williams, etc) is an upgrade in itself.
Pat Bev just isn't realistic for us unfortunately. He's gonna get a starting gig somewhere with the way things are going AND get the massive contract. His stock just keeps going through the roof and he's sort of put himself as the "next best" FA after the stars are off the market. If the Lakers miss on Kawhi, wouldn't be surprised to see them give him 16-18 mil a year. And without a real spot for him with the starters (and sharing the back-court with Bogi off the bench), that's a real expensive guy you can't really see ever getting over 25 MPG.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Well, I respect your opinion, but I believe there are plenty examples why it's likely true. I only cited a few of them. But there are more.
IMO, the Magoofs interference began in 2006 with the acquisition of Ron Artest and then the firing of Adelman. But I think Petrie still had control of the draft. By 2009, the Magoofs started interfering a lot more hence the Tyreke Evans draft selection and over-emotional defending of that pick. That's also the time frame when the Magoof's folded the Monarchs.
Regardless, I don't think anyone can argue against the notion that Petrie was severly hampered in his coaching searches since the Magoofs couldn't or wouldn't pay a competitive salary.
To your point, this is probably better off as a separate topic of discussion.
Kangztillidie
Bench
Petrie wanted Lillard and when Thomas Robinson fell they magically picked him instead...
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Yet another great example. And another player that fit Petrie’s player mold perfectly.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Some Kings news... Source tells @TheAthletic that Sacramento will finalize a four-year, $85 million deal with Harrison Barnes today. The deal declines annually, accounting for just 14% of the cap in the fourth year.
Some Kings news... Source tells @TheAthletic that Sacramento will finalize a four-year, $85 million deal with Harrison Barnes today. The deal declines annually, accounting for just 14% of the cap in the fourth year.
whatever you think of the total amount, the structure of the contract is a bonus. I like the declining amounts as that frees up more $$$ in the future to sign the young guns to extensions/contracts when they are up.
allrightythen
Starter
I'd still prefer 3 years but I think the declining contract is ideal for the Kings. I'm surprised his agent was ok with it.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Eh, the declining doesn't do anything to help improve the team now though. It makes it a little easier on Viveks pocket book down the line but not much else. If he thinks he's going to compete with ownership groups like they have out west without breaking the bank he might be sorely mistaken.
kingsfan1984
Starter
Substantially better contract than i hoped for.
Fantastic.
Home run out of the park on the amount, length, and making it decline!
Entity
Hall of Famer
So what free agent SF could the Kings have gotten to make them better?
Similar threads
- Locked
