Greg Oden?

VF21 said:
The part you quoted stuck out to me, too, but in a slightly different way. If Oden's agent is most concerned about the quality the medical staff, then I have to wonder just how good those knees truly are. I've had my heart broken because of one knee before and now we'd be banking on two?
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Not banking. Just gambling, and with small change at that. Be great to have it work out. SPECTACULAR even. If there was a 1% chance Oden could be full strength Oden and it paid off you have made one of the best moves of all time given cost. At the 24% chance he can still be big defensive roleplayer thug for 2/3 of your games you've still come off as a real winner, although at that point its not wildly out of line of what you may have been able to do at lower risk. The 75% chance that he's done and will only last a month or two before joining the other half of Portland's dreamt of future (Brandon Roy) as finally giving into inevitability? Well, kind of a shrug. A problem if we have intentionally bypassed other alternatives to take a longshot gamble. But there should not be a single Kings fans actually counting on Greg Oden. He's purely frosting. Of course it would help if the cooks had remembered to add flour to the underlying cake.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not banking. Just gambling, and with small change at that. Be great to have it work out. SPECTACULAR even. If there was a 1% chance Oden could be full strength Oden and it paid off you have made one of the best moves of all time given cost. At the 24% chance he can still be big defensive roleplayer thug for 2/3 of your games you've still come off as a real winner, although at that point its not wildly out of line of what you may have been able to do at lower risk. The 75% chance that he's done and will only last a month or two before joining the other half of Portland's dreamt of future (Brandon Roy) as finally giving into inevitability? Well, kind of a shrug. A problem if we have intentionally bypassed other alternatives to take a longshot gamble. But there should not be a single Kings fans actually counting on Greg Oden. He's purely frosting. Of course it would help if the cooks had remembered to add flour to the underlying cake.
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+1, and the reason I'm not heavily pining for him. Sure if you can get him on convenient terms it adds excitement and may be worth the long shot, but how can a team like us do that with so many teams in the mix?
 
Bricklayer said:
Not banking. Just gambling, and with small change at that. Be great to have it work out. SPECTACULAR even. If there was a 1% chance Oden could be full strength Oden and it paid off you have made one of the best moves of all time given cost. At the 24% chance he can still be big defensive roleplayer thug for 2/3 of your games you've still come off as a real winner, although at that point its not wildly out of line of what you may have been able to do at lower risk. The 75% chance that he's done and will only last a month or two before joining the other half of Portland's dreamt of future (Brandon Roy) as finally giving into inevitability? Well, kind of a shrug. A problem if we have intentionally bypassed other alternatives to take a longshot gamble. But there should not be a single Kings fans actually counting on Greg Oden. He's purely frosting. Of course it would help if the cooks had remembered to add flour to the underlying cake.
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Exactly! We should be expecting a 12th man, 4th or 5th big in the rotation with Oden with a potential to be a lot more. If he bombs, the care factor would be as big as Your 2nds round pick not making the team. If he makes is as someone who is in your 3 big men rotation or evea high level starter, its a home run!

Expectations for us should be low. Probably as low as when we got Aldrich in the Houston trade. No one expected him to play much except for some garbage minutes here and there. Expectations with Oden should be similar.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not banking. Just gambling, and with small change at that. Be great to have it work out. SPECTACULAR even. If there was a 1% chance Oden could be full strength Oden and it paid off you have made one of the best moves of all time given cost. At the 24% chance he can still be big defensive roleplayer thug for 2/3 of your games you've still come off as a real winner, although at that point its not wildly out of line of what you may have been able to do at lower risk. The 75% chance that he's done and will only last a month or two before joining the other half of Portland's dreamt of future (Brandon Roy) as finally giving into inevitability? Well, kind of a shrug. A problem if we have intentionally bypassed other alternatives to take a longshot gamble. But there should not be a single Kings fans actually counting on Greg Oden. He's purely frosting. Of course it would help if the cooks had remembered to add flour to the underlying cake.
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Fair enough, although I think the odds may actually be longer than a lot of people are thinking. He hasn't played in 3 1/2 years. Seeing how rusty players can get just over the summer, I cannot help but worry that he's just been gone too long. If, on the other hand, the front office was impressed with him enough to throw some minor change his way, I would welcome him and pray his knees still have something left.
 
blackice said:
I would love to see what the Phoenix Suns medical staff can do with Oden, too bad they are not an option.
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What is the deal with the Suns medical staff anyway? What makes them so highly regarded? Anecdotal evidence? Technology? Secret sauce?
 
Spike said:
What is the deal with the Suns medical staff anyway? What makes them so highly regarded? Anecdotal evidence? Technology? Secret sauce?
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They've turned around the careers of many severely injury prone players, such as Shaq, Grant Hill, and . Also, every highly regarded player who leaves Phoenix to pursue a ring never seems to get one, and they always seem to have injury troubles after leaving. Look at Nash and Amar'e, look at Barkley, look way back at Paul Westphal.
 
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LPKingsFan said:
Because trading some of your top talent for a guy on a $17 million deal is the same as signing someone as a free agent for $2-3 million?
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No.

It's mostly the desperation causing us to gamble on a damaged good.

I am considering the wasted time, $2-3 million (which is still money however cheap you see it), and the roster spot that we could have filled with an okay and healthy center who can grow now with the team. Also, I am allergic to the notion of our team trying an unknown and/or damaged commodity. I can still remember Abdur Rahim.
 
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Prince_XY said:
No.

It's mostly the desperation causing us to gamble on a damaged good.

I am considering the wasted time, $2-3 million (which is still money however cheap you see it), and the roster spot that we could have filled with an okay and healthy center who can grow now with the team. Also, I am allergic to the notion of our team trying an unknown and/or damaged commodity. I can still remember Abdur Rahim.
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Think of this as an investment strategy. Young investors are urged to put 1-10% of their money into higher risk enterprises that have the potential to pay off big. The Salary cap is set at 58.7 mil, so assuming our salary will be about 55 million a young team might want to gamble 1-5.5 million on risky prospects like Oden or Mccallum. And lets face it any healthy player with experience we sign at the 2-3 mill level is not going to have much impact on this team. A more mature (contender) team would reduce their risk.
 
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Spike said:
What is the deal with the Suns medical staff anyway? What makes them so highly regarded? Anecdotal evidence? Technology? Secret sauce?
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There are a couple of articles floating around...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15899-phoenix-suns-organizations-real-miracle-workers

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dical-staff-will-work-wonders-on-michael-redd

This one, though, seemed to be the most informative:

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/04/05/secret-behind-phoenix-suns-elite-training-staff/
 
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Spike said:
Thanks, great article. So basically, they're ahead of the curve relative to the other staffs in the NBA.
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Reading the article with all the statistical data they use to analyze players, I have the feeling our new ownership will look into this approach. I did notice what I think is a new addition to the training staff. It's always said "Pete Youngman" and now Manny Romero (Loyola-Marymount) has been added.
 
I read from the wiretaps his decision could come as early as today (Monday) and he's leaning Heat/Pelicans. I'll agree with Carolija if those are indeed the front-runners. He's going to probably need to ease into it, and playing for the most watched team looking for their third would only spotlight his health situation to the fullest extent
 
Čarolija said:
If I was Oden, I would be going to the Pelicans!
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They seem to be making every move or rumored to make every move I wanted the kings to make so it doesn't surprise me if they get oden. I also read he narrowed it down to Mia or NO, so it's a matter of championship or easing back into the nba. Just wish we had more of a chance at getting him
 
bajaden said:
You do realize that if your not an insider, which I'm currently not, this link is of no value. You might want to relate whats in the story.
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Here's the snippet available to the public:

According to ESPN.com's Marc Stein, several sources who attended Greg Oden's workouts last week said he looked in food shape and moved well. This week teams interested in Oden will scour all his medical reports and then determine what type of contract to offer him.
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The interesting part to me, aside from the typo, is that Stein is putting the emphasis on teams deciding what kind of offer to make him, and not on him deciding which offer to take. Kind of counters what was being said last week.
 
Wow 8 pages about a guy with 80 year old knees. Heck give me Chris webber back his knees are in better shape.
 
bajaden said:
You do realize that if your not an insider, which I'm currently not, this link is of no value. You might want to relate whats in the story.
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The article is so short that it feels weird to try to summarize it (aside from what VF posted from the first paragraph):

- Atl, Dal, Mia, NOLA, Sac and SA interested
- Intrigued the most by Mia and NOLA
- NOLA might be willing to give 2 years guaranteed, but Mia can offer more money than NOLA this year
- Oden looking for best offer and no-pressure situation for comeback
 
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