Greg Monro with the 5th pick

yeah, well the true talent that will help Rekes game would be Monroe's passing ability also being a lefty. he will be one of the best passing big men come Oct.

I dunno, maybe he reaches for Whiteside.. I have always pictured Monroe wearing Bibby's jersey. :o

Don't get me wrong I want Cousins as much as the next guy.

I don't get how Monroe's passing really fits in with our team. Big man passing is nice and all, but if you don't have some type of motion offense, it's really more of a luxury, not a need. Both Hawes and Thompson are good passers, so I don't really see what Monroe adds except more of the same.
 
This is a nothing pick if it isnt DC, monroe is the back up plan it seems and really that doesnt move us forward rebuilding at all
 
I don't get how Monroe's passing really fits in with our team. Big man passing is nice and all, but if you don't have some type of motion offense, it's really more of a luxury, not a need. Both Hawes and Thompson are good passers, so I don't really see what Monroe adds except more of the same.

yeah big man passing is nice, but you still need someone in there to do the dirty work such as rebounding and defending ( or at least be able to hold your own against your own man if not a shotblocker). I bet Westpaul has made it known to Petrie his desire for a true center after having to endure season of just Spencer at center.
 
I don't get how Monroe's passing really fits in with our team. Big man passing is nice and all, but if you don't have some type of motion offense, it's really more of a luxury, not a need. Both Hawes and Thompson are good passers, so I don't really see what Monroe adds except more of the same.

I'd argue that one of the most important stats in Basketball that dictates W's and L's is that of Ast/TO ratio. We've been TERRIBLE at that ever since we moved C-Webb and lost Vlade. We were an elite team when we had an elite Ast/TO ratio. While that's not the ONLY measure for success, it's a strong indicator. I think Monroe more than anything is a smart, skilled basketball player with a lot of natural, raw talent. I think our ast/to would increase with him and I think we'd be a better team with him on our roster.

With that said, I think Cousins brings ALL those sames things AND more to Monroe. While Monroe may be a better passer overall, I think Cousins is better at everything else and hence why he's higher on my draft board than Monroe. Cousins is still an above average passer for a big man.
 
I never thought I would say this, but if Cousins isn't there, and for some reason the Kings just don't want to draft Johnson, a mistake in my opinion, then I'd rather gamble on Whiteside or take Udoh. Udoh would be my first choice. Whiteside would be for the future. I couldn't get excited about Monroe during the season. And believe me I tried. So why in the hell would I try to convince myself now, that he's the player we need when I couldn't do it when I was watching him play all season. He's great at one thing, passing. Well so was Hawes coming out of college.

All season long the one thing we talked about. The one thing that was needed the most, was interior defense and a low post presence. He is neither of those things. So why would we compromise at this point for someone that may or may not be better than Spencer Hawes down the road. If Petrie picks him I'll assume that he see's something I don't see. But I'm not going to sit here and try and convince myself that the guy has quick feet. Or the fact that he's so smooth he's deceptive. Bullcrap! I'd bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you could get into his mind he'd admit he much rather play out at the top of the key than down in the post. If we draft him I sure hope I'm wrong on this..
 
I'd argue that one of the most important stats in Basketball that dictates W's and L's is that of Ast/TO ratio. We've been TERRIBLE at that ever since we moved C-Webb and lost Vlade. We were an elite team when we had an elite Ast/TO ratio. While that's not the ONLY measure for success, it's a strong indicator. I think Monroe more than anything is a smart, skilled basketball player with a lot of natural, raw talent. I think our ast/to would increase with him and I think we'd be a better team with him on our roster.

With that said, I think Cousins brings ALL those sames things AND more to Monroe. While Monroe may be a better passer overall, I think Cousins is better at everything else and hence why he's higher on my draft board than Monroe. Cousins is still an above average passer for a big man.

I think that has more to do with a successful offensive system than just talented individual passers. You can't just lump a bunch of good passers together and expect to come up with a good a/t ratio.
 
That doesn't say anything. My guess is that they still want Cousins, but want to have all their bases covered should he not be there at 5.
 
Hmm... Monroe's twitter about an hour ago:

"man im not askin y im n sacramento!!! lol i def know y im here!!!!"

http://twitter.com/G_Monroe10/status/16561003184

Second unannounced visit for Monroe? Not looking good for Cuz fans.


I'm not even sure what that means. I had the impression that Monroe was smart. Twitter really does expose the people who just aren't very bright.


Monroe has a solid game, but he doesn't fit. If we're trying to get tougher, you simply can't go with him. Cousins has to one on the draft board. If he's gone, I'm with Baja. I'd rather Udoh or a gamble on Whiteside. As I've said before, when has a guy with Whiteside's size, length and athleticism not come in useful? At the absolute least, he'll be a guy who can come in and block and alter some shots.
 
Did I just miss the release that Monroe was coming back? Second looks are a big deal from looking at Petries past moves.
I thought Monore was so slow he didn't require being seen twice! haha
 
Did I just miss the release that Monroe was coming back? Second looks are a big deal from looking at Petries past moves.
I thought Monore was so slow he didn't require being seen twice! haha

he has a second workout; it was announced Whiteside and Udoh and coming back in as well i think.
 
i like Whiteside best.

"Hassan what can you bring to the Kings"

*Sniff* "Length"

"what are your biggest strengths"

"Uhhhh Length"

Love this guy!
 
I'm not even sure what that means. I had the impression that Monroe was smart. Twitter really does expose the people who just aren't very bright.


Monroe has a solid game, but he doesn't fit. If we're trying to get tougher, you simply can't go with him. Cousins has to one on the draft board. If he's gone, I'm with Baja. I'd rather Udoh or a gamble on Whiteside. As I've said before, when has a guy with Whiteside's size, length and athleticism not come in useful? At the absolute least, he'll be a guy who can come in and block and alter some shots.

He is being trained by "The Dream"....maybe if we draft Whiteside, we can hire Hakeem as our asst to work with JT and Greene also?
 
I do not want Whiteside, not really jazzed about Udoh either. I don't like Monroe- hell I don't like anyone, or your face. But I do like Cuz, Johnson, Aminu and Aldrich. If Cuz is gone and they don't want Johnson then I wish we would take Aminu or Aldrich.
 
Did I just miss the release that Monroe was coming back? Second looks are a big deal from looking at Petries past moves.
I thought Monore was so slow he didn't require being seen twice! haha

They announced it about a week ago that he was coming in for a 2nd workout and that Whiteside (and others) would be there as well. Udoh is one of the others. Monroe's first workout was ONLY him. Now they get a chance to see him against other players.

I do think this is Petrie's backup plan for if Cousins isn't there at #5. Cousins is just too big and talented to pass up IMO.
 
Yeah I guess I forgot that he was coming back. Still kind of a cocky comment from him. Maybe he is a second choice guy and hopefully the fist choice is Cousins. I'm willing to take the risk on Cousins maturity. I just don't see Monore's potential to be anything other that another nice passing soft big man that isn't going to dominate in the middle.
 
I don't care if Monroe wins ROY with another team to be honest. At this point Cousins would make much more sense than Monroe. If we take Cousins, and in 5 years time Monroe is twice the player Cousins is, I'm not gonna be mad because I'll know that Geoff went with the better pick
 
I never thought I would say this, but if Cousins isn't there, and for some reason the Kings just don't want to draft Johnson, a mistake in my opinion, then I'd rather gamble on Whiteside or take Udoh. Udoh would be my first choice. Whiteside would be for the future. I couldn't get excited about Monroe during the season. And believe me I tried. So why in the hell would I try to convince myself now, that he's the player we need when I couldn't do it when I was watching him play all season. He's great at one thing, passing. Well so was Hawes coming out of college.

All season long the one thing we talked about. The one thing that was needed the most, was interior defense and a low post presence. He is neither of those things. So why would we compromise at this point for someone that may or may not be better than Spencer Hawes down the road. If Petrie picks him I'll assume that he see's something I don't see. But I'm not going to sit here and try and convince myself that the guy has quick feet. Or the fact that he's so smooth he's deceptive. Bullcrap! I'd bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you could get into his mind he'd admit he much rather play out at the top of the key than down in the post. If we draft him I sure hope I'm wrong on this..
How old are you Bajaden?

Gosh, your memory is too damn sharp and I wish everyone in this board is just like you when it comes to having such a pretty good memory!

You are right. The one thing all-season long that we talked about in this board is how much we needed that BIG to give us that interior defense and low post presence.
 
Physically, Monroe has great size for a PF, with a fairly large wingspan and reasonable, but not great, strength. But he's sorely lacking in mobility/athletic components physically--he's lacking in lateral quickness, overall speed, and especially in leaping ability for a PF, and moreover his conditioning is quite questionable especially with his body fat percentage. But whereas these indicators might indicate that he's a bust, I'm going the other way--I think he has a really high defensive IQ. His defensive impact is palpable, as Georgetown was significantly better defensively with him on the court, and that's in large part due to his great timing: Monroe possesses elite stealing ability and above average shotblocking ability for a center, and is reasonable at controlling his fouls. Certainly he's more of a length athlete than a freak athlete in this respect, and it might be an open question whether his defensive instincts and timing can trump his lack of mobility/athleticism at the NBA level. I do think Monroe might be a tweener defensively initially (not athletic enough against the mobile PFs, not quite strong/large enough against conventional Cs) but like Clifford Robinson, he might develop into a disciplined defender over time, which can be an asset. He's more of a 1990s defender than a 2000s one, that's for sure.

Monroe's offensive impact is merely middling, but he's probably an average offensive player at the NBA level, at best. He shows tertiary-offensive player instincts out on the court with his above average possession rate, but his seriously impeded by what I think is a lack of tricks to score off his own devices at the NBA level. Primarily, he doesn't have a terribly reliable jumpshooting game: he doesn't take too many mid-range J's, and shoots poorly at the ones he takes; there might be slight hope, however, given that he shoots 68% on his free throws. Monroe is largely your conventional post-up player type, as he takes tons of inside shots, but he doesn't finish well here at all, as he's impeded by some lack of refinement as well as the mobility/athleticism issues: he does get to the line at an above average rate, however. Finally, not surprising given his physical tools, he's sorely lacking in athletic markers offensively, not dunking at a prolific rate and garnering very few tip-ins. Monroe's real best asset offensively is his passing game: he's an elite passer for a PF for sure, with court vision, but his ballhandling skills are questionable as he does have turnover problems: anyway, if his offensive game doesn't improve for the NBA, his passing ability won't be an asset whatsoever.

Rebounding-wise, Monroe is middling, but he's a decent defensive rebounder and a poor offensive one.

Overall, I know where those potential "bust" labels of Monroe are coming from, and I also have more than a few reservations: he's really more of a 1990s center than a 2000s one, frankly. Moreover, he's severely impeded by two primary markers, his lack of athleticism/mobility and his lack of jumpshooting ability. Offensively is where, to me, he might actually face the most trouble: there's a chance he might not even succeed much at this level, between his poor jumpshooting and inability to finish his post moves, which would not tap into his elite passing skills. Defensively it's also a slight question mark, as he's not athletic/quick for PFs and not tall enough for certain Cs, but he might succeed here given what I believe are very good defensive instincts. He'll probably have to make his mark defensively in the league first, and if he ever develops a jumper or starts becoming more of a post-scoring threat he can really tap into his elite passing skills and have a huge impact. Ultimately, however, it's hard to see the latter happening in the today's run-and-gun NBA, and he'll probably end up as a defensive PF with a slight post game and good passing ability. He just has built-in limitations that might severely hamper him and generate bust potential, and it's probably not worth exploring that option especially with the 5th pick.
 
^ Lets not kid ourselves. Monroe is not a powerforward in the NBA. That position requires size AND ATHLETICISM. I have zero interest in seeing Monroe in a Kings uniform. What is wrong with some of you people? Absolutely everyone this past season pointed out that we needed interior defense and rebounding. Monroe isnt going to improve the team in either of those areas. Its as though Kings fans have gotten so used to having a passing, finesse bigman that theyve been totally brainwashed. In this league, the bigger you are, the more physical you must play. So whats with the need for a finesse bigman? DO NOT WANT!
 
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