[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[ShastaKingsFan]

I don’t see Kuminga being successful here. If he can’t move the ball in golden state it’s just going to be a continuation of pounding the ball to death.

Thinking that a player that Golden State can't seem to develop into a productive rotation player, will then come to the Kings organization of all places and they will somehow turn him into an All Star, is a fools bet. Almost anything is possible, but you have to ask yourself what are the odds of that happening

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Thinking that a player that Golden State can't seem to develop into a productive rotation player, will then come to the Kings organization of all places and they will somehow turn him into an All Star, is a fools bet. Almost anything is possible, but you have to ask yourself what are the odds of that happening

What is their track record beyond Steph, Dray and Klay?

Like I don't want to give up more than one of our extra guards for the guy, which at minimum opens up some playing time for other guys on the roster. But who am I missing that Golden State has truly developed into a high level player? They nailed it with those 3 and then got the once in a lifetime chance to sign KD after a massive salary cap increase.

They have their very own Marvin Bagley story with James Wiseman.

 

[The_Jamal]

Vlade had hits to go with his misses. PDA literally ran out Reke, IT2 and Malone with nothing to show for it.

He is the worst ever. Vlade is not the first and won't be the last GM in this league to whiff on a draft pick. If you go back to the pre-draft yes everyone here wanted Luka more or less but the basketball press at large was not charitable to Luka's chances or what would happen if/when we drafted him.

Yes this is the one pick that almost every person on this board has the receipts to back up that they got it right - including myself, I think I wanted Cousins and Luka headed into drafts and those are the only two I ever got - but again I implore folks to consider that it wasn't open and shut in the NBA medias eyes. Even the team picking right after us passed on him but was smart enough to do it in a trade.

I sorta forgot we didn't sign IT2 because we didn't want to meet him at the extra 500k/season LOL

Goes on to predictably be an all-star and a mvp caliber season. insane

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

What is their track record beyond Steph, Dray and Klay?

Like I don't want to give up more than one of our extra guards for the guy, which at minimum opens up some playing time for other guys on the roster. But who am I missing that Golden State has truly developed into a high level player? They nailed it with those 3 and then got the once in a lifetime chance to sign KD after a massive salary cap increase.

They have their very own Marvin Bagley story with James Wiseman.

They're simply a better higher iQ organization. What team outside of maybe Miami has developed more than a few players in recent times?

 

[ESP47]

I sorta forgot we didn't sign IT2 because we didn't want to meet him at the extra 500k/season LOL

Goes on to predictably be an all-star and a mvp caliber season. insane

This forum had him as the scapegoat so the majority of posters were saying good riddance at the time.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I sorta forgot we didn't sign IT2 because we didn't want to meet him at the extra 500k/season LOL

Goes on to predictably be an all-star and a mvp caliber season. insane

I mentioned it a few posts back but a few years ago I saw it posited in another forum that Mike Malone wanted to keep him and the saw letting IT go as a way to drive another rift with the coaching department. Diabolical if that's the case.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

This forum had him as the scapegoat so the majority of posters were saying good riddance at the time.

I think there was quite a bit of disinformation put out about him possibly from our GM now that we can look back in hindsight. About feeling under appreciated by the org (when Malone clearly valued the guy) and what a reasonable second contract would look like. When we found out that Phoenix basically offered what I think was an MLE level deal at the time it became pretty clear who the villain was.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

They're simply a better higher iQ organization. What team outside of maybe Miami has developed more than a few players in recent times?

Pretty much everyone ahead of Golden State in the standings right now? They literally had multiple lottery picks a season removed from playing in the Finals. They basically nailed every pick in a span of 3-4 years and built a monster and got to enjoy it throughout the prime of those guys' careers but I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate when Steph retires they won't be the Kings after Webber, Peja, and Vlade were gone.

 

[The_Jamal]

This forum had him as the scapegoat so the majority of posters were saying good riddance at the time.

Oh I know, trust me. Had some great tiffs with Bricklayer over it.

Yet another guy where it was so ridiculously easy to see his potential. He was the 2010s Brunson

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Pretty much everyone ahead of Golden State in the standings right now? They literally had multiple lottery picks a season removed from playing in the Finals. They basically nailed every pick in a span of 3-4 years and built a monster and got to enjoy it throughout the prime of those guys' careers but I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate when Steph retires they won't be the Kings after Webber, Peja, and Vlade were gone.

I think most would agree that Sacramento is near the bottom at developing players. So I guess this then goes back to the original question and discussion. Is it worth giving up a 1st round pick to see if the Kings organization can transform Kuminga into an All Star?

I would not make that bet. Without the 1st round pick, I would be willing to take a shot, because even if he's not an All Star, he might still turn into a serviceable starter. The question then becomes, can they build a roster that actually fits...and not just a group of random potential talents

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I think most would agree that Sacramento is near the bottom at developing players.

I don't entirely agree. We just haven't gotten a sniff at an elite talent save for the Bagley pick.

Keegan I'm not interested in arguing about. I think we got fair value and have done well with him, made him a huge defender and if the offense changes I assume he'll get that part of his game back.

Keon - undrafted guy we developed into a guy that everyone seems to want.
We made an NBA player out of IJ. Let him go because we needed a roster spot and he was the non-guaranteed guy. Doing it with Cardwell. Seem to be making progress with Maxime who has shown more potential.

If you go back to before Brown we developed Fox into an All-Star. If he feels like it's only worth playing for a team with championship aspirations that's great for him go get it, but everything he is doing with San Antonio right now is from us. We didn't have a first rounder in 2019. We traded our first rounder in 2023.

The biggest problem with this team has consistently been its unwillingness to do what it is doing this year and reset once in a while so that we keep picking 7th or lower.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I don't entirely agree. We just haven't gotten a sniff at an elite talent save for the Bagley pick.

Keegan I'm not interested in arguing about. I think we got fair value and have done well with him, made him a huge defender and if the offense changes I assume he'll get that part of his game back.

Keon - undrafted guy we developed into a guy that everyone seems to want.
We made an NBA player out of IJ. Let him go because we needed a roster spot and he was the non-guaranteed guy. Doing it with Cardwell. Seem to be making progress with Maxime who has shown more potential.

If you go back to before Brown we developed Fox into an All-Star. If he feels like it's only worth playing for a team with championship aspirations that's great for him go get it, but everything he is doing with San Antonio right now is from us. We didn't have a first rounder in 2019. We traded our first rounder in 2023.

The biggest problem with this team has consistently been its unwillingness to do what it is doing this year and reset once in a while so that we keep picking 7th or lower.

Is it worth giving up a 1st round pick to see if the Kings organization can turn Kuminga into an All Star?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Is it worth giving up a 1st round pick to see if the Kings organization can turn Kuminga into an All Star?

NO. That's always been my position. But I have also never thought he'd be more than a complimentary piece that might help take some load off Keegan and help him turn into the All Star.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

NO. That's always been my position. But I have also never thought he'd be more than a complimentary piece that might help take some load off Keegan and help him turn into the All Star.

Well that's the bottom line then, because regardless of how bad or mediocre or OK they are at developing players, they've got to make some moves. You would just hope that the risk/reward of the moves make sense for a bottom tier team that needs to rebuild

 

[SacTownKid]

Well that's the bottom line then, because regardless of how bad or mediocre or OK they are at developing players, they've got to make some moves. You would just hope that the risk/reward of the moves make sense for a bottom tier team that needs to rebuild

The Kings need to follow the path of all the teams reaping rewards right now. Assets are most likely gotten with one of two things: superstars in trade or cap space. The Kings clearly don't have the former and maybe if they don't mess this up could have the latter at some point within the next 3 years. When you've bungled around trying to stay afloat and fall flat you aren't going to have great assets. They've buried Carter who was a lottery pick. They have leveraged draft assets to stay afloat. They traded their one legit franchise player to stay in that barely afloat position. And now they're letting a 37 year old and a 36 year old on the outs dictate play style, minutes, etc. This has only one real path that doesn't pose risks of surely giving up a top pick to the Spurs when they may very well be at their peak and that's to clear cap and start developing something that can later either be built around or packaged for trade later. The Kings never do the leg work and try to jump all the way to the end and spill right into the chasm about halfway through.