Granger

[Glenn]

If you look at the teams that have won championships, they're veteran laden. If we've gotten to the point that we think a very good basketball player is too old for us at age 28, then we might as well forget about winning a championship. Granger is exactly the kind of player we should be looking to trade for, or sign. At the moment he's 27 years old, not 28, and won't be 28 until april 20th. So essentially, for all of next season he would be 28 years old, if the really matters to anyone.

I think people in this area have absolutely lost perspective on what it takes or what it will take to be an elite team. It takes a couple stars, it takes veterans, and it costs a lot of money, all of it being intertwined. We have one of the three and have been promised the latter two.

Just making it simple.

 

[bajaden]

I wouldn't worry too much about the production drop off once he passes 30.

His points would drop off the minute he gets here because he goes from being #1 options in Indiana to being #3 option here. However, his life also gets a lot easier because the opposition teams do not focus their defensive schemes to stopping Granger. They would be more worried about Evans and Cousins. This would also prolong Granger's longevity because he wouldn't be banged up as much as he is now. Its easier playing one on one than one on two or three.

The only thing I might be a little bit nervous about is Granger's history of knee injuries. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why he dropped that far down the draft order. On talent alone he was considered a top 10 picks but knee history saw his drop far enough for Pacers to get him.

To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't really have a history of knee injuries. In college he missed three games because of minor surgery to repair lateral meniscus on his left knee. Having played with torn meniscus in both knee's, thats no big deal, especially at such a young age. And he only missed three games, so it couldn't have been very serious.

In his 2007/08 season with the Pacers he missed 16 games with a torn plantar fascia in his foot, and one game with a sprained mcl in his left knee.

In his 2008/09 season with the Pacers he missed 11 games with a torn tendon in his right foot, and 1 game with a sore right knee. None of his knee problems were serious, in the sense of a torn ACL or some such thing. No microfracture surgery.. Most of his problems seem to be foot related, and so far don't seem chronic.

He's the first Pacer to average 25 pts a game in 30 years, and the only player in NBA history to raise his scoring average 5 plus points 3 years in a row. He's also won the most impoved player award. Defensively, he's actually a better player when he's not the whole offense. His defense was better when Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington were on the team, and he didn't have to carry the load.

 

[ParniValjak]

To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't really have a history of knee injuries. In college he missed three games because of minor surgery to repair lateral meniscus on his left knee. Having played with torn meniscus in both knee's, thats no big deal, especially at such a young age. And he only missed three games, so it couldn't have been very serious.

In his 2007/08 season with the Pacers he missed 16 games with a torn plantar fascia in his foot, and one game with a sprained mcl in his left knee.

In his 2008/09 season with the Pacers he missed 11 games with a torn tendon in his right foot, and 1 game with a sore right knee. None of his knee problems were serious, in the sense of a torn ACL or some such thing. No microfracture surgery.. Most of his problems seem to be foot related, and so far don't seem chronic.

He's the first Pacer to average 25 pts a game in 30 years, and the only player in NBA history to raise his scoring average 5 plus points 3 years in a row. He's also won the most impoved player award. Defensively, he's actually a better player when he's not the whole offense. His defense was better when Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington were on the team, and he didn't have to carry the load.

My bad! Must have him mixed up with someone else!

I have long claimed that from all the potentially available SFs in the league, Granger would be the best fit for the Kings so I am all for getting him!

 

[swisshh]

We don't need him to put up huge numbers, and a "structured offense" isn;t exactly what I would call Jim OBrien's system anyway. We need an 18ppg third option who can also defend and do all the other things. Granger can more than fill that role, and is good enoguh he doesn't need the mythical "pure PG" to set him up. We've gto two guys oout frotn that can more than get him the shots we'd need from him. And with all the attention Reke and Cousins draw, for the first ime in years he'd be able to work against single coverage. You get three talents like that out there together, they all benefit because the defense can't focus on anybody, and they are all capable of beating just one man.

Hypothetically that should hold true for guys like Casspi. Cisco and Beno, but it hasn't gotten them better shots. Even if you have guys that draw attention, you have to be able to get the ball from one player to the other, from one side to the other and in the shooters hands in the right spot at the right time or a decent defense will just rotate over.

So many of the Kings TOs are from slow, misread passes, or ignored passes that end up in over-dribbling.

I am pretty sure Granger or any shooter would be able to notice the difference in looks.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hypothetically that should hold true for guys like Casspi. Cisco and Beno, but it hasn't gotten them better shots. Even if you have guys that draw attention, you have to be able to get the ball from one player to the other, from one side to the other and in the shooters hands in the right spot at the right time or a decent defense will just rotate over.

So many of the Kings TOs are from slow, misread passes, or ignored passes that end up in over-dribbling.

I am pretty sure Granger or any shooter would be able to notice the difference in looks.

Wanna see something:

Beno 10-11: 13.5pts (.485 .354 .855) 3.4reb 4.3ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.7TO
Beno career: 9.3pts (.462 .358 .830) 2.2reb 3.3ast 0.8stl 0.1blk 1.5TO

Cisco 10-11: 9.3pts (.449 .379 .837) 2.5reb 1.2ast 0.7stl 0.9blk 0.7TO
Cisco career: 9.1pts (.444 .371 .805) 2.9reb 1.6ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 1.2TO

There has been no falloff at all in those player's stats vs. career stats. For all the "they don't get enough open looks" histrionics, the stats say they are converting the looks they do get at as high as level as they ever have. Perhaps the reason more players don't coplain is because they are doing just fine, right at career norms.

Now Granger's ppg would definitely fall in the role he would have to assume. But there is no reason to suspect his shooting percentage would folow suit. In fact its far more likely it would go UP, as most people think he has been taking a lot of bad shots in Indiana trying to be a #1 option, which his talent maybe isn't suited for.

 

[rainmaker]

Hypothetically that should hold true for guys like Casspi. Cisco and Beno, but it hasn't gotten them better shots. Even if you have guys that draw attention, you have to be able to get the ball from one player to the other, from one side to the other and in the shooters hands in the right spot at the right time or a decent defense will just rotate over.

So many of the Kings TOs are from slow, misread passes, or ignored passes that end up in over-dribbling.

I am pretty sure Granger or any shooter would be able to notice the difference in looks.

He'd get better shots as the 3rd option then he has as the 1st option in IND battling constant double teams. Also, Cisco, Beno and Omri get a lot of good looks. When a defender closes Beno is the only one of the 3 with the capability of giving a pumpfake, taking 1 or 2 dribbles, and hitting a midrange jumper. Granger is a better 3pt shooter than any of those 3, as well as more versatility in his game then all 3 combined.

With his versatility, he'd get much better looks than he presently gets. I'd also rather Granger shoot open 3's for us than Beno, Cisco, or Omri. I don't think it's much of a question as to whether Granger would do more with the same opportunities that those 3 get presently in our offense.