[Grades] Grades v. Warriors 2/4/2017

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#91
You know, I wasn't going to say anything, because it is just awesome to watch our team win and I figured all of our forum members would be cool with this whether your a stick to the process guy or a guy who wants to blow it up and make changes.

But the more I look at all the responses or actually lack of postings by a certain group, I think there is that small group that only posts after a loss. It's true. I'm not going to name names but I'm sure people can figure it out....it's a very small group. They would rather post and pile on to keep on with their narrative because they are upset that Karl is gone or that they don't really like Cousins or just whatever.

See, if said group would come on here and enjoy the win it would just make sense whatever side of the arguments you are on. I mean, I was critical of Karl but when they won, that was more important to me than to continue to bash Karl. You still don't have to like the process but when we win like that over GS or Barnes plays well or Cuz gets another tech but we win.....just seems like a Kings fan would be happy.........rant over.
The fan in me loves to watch the Kings win especially against the NBA darlings! The more logical, GM side of me would like to see us keep our pick.

Again, you should avoid trying to generalize everyone who has a different viewpoint than you.
 

dude12

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#92
The fan in me loves to watch the Kings win especially against the NBA darlings! The more logical, GM side of me would like to see us keep our pick.

Again, you should avoid trying to generalize everyone who has a different viewpoint than you.
Look, your not one of the people I'm talking about, I don't think it prudent to come out and name people. I see you posting about various things, don't always agree, but I can tell you are a fan. There are others that I honestly can't tell if they are fans. So with that being said, like I mentioned to you before, you can ignore me or just block. I don't go onto your trade proposals and become belligerent with you and tell you to stop posting....I just don't respond to them and I get that that is your thing...you like being a GM....all good. But I'm going to keep doing my thing.
 

dude12

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#93
I'm not happy with the "process" because we make two steps back for every step forward. Yes the GS game was great unfortunately it's only 1 game and is offset many several home Ls. So excuse me if I am not happy with that. Perhaps you should raise your standards of excellence
Hahaha...I don't think you understand.....that's ok.
 
#94
Look, your not one of the people I'm talking about, I don't think it prudent to come out and name people. I see you posting about various things, don't always agree, but I can tell you are a fan. There are others that I honestly can't tell if they are fans. So with that being said, like I mentioned to you before, you can ignore me or just block. I don't go onto your trade proposals and become belligerent with you and tell you to stop posting....I just don't respond to them and I get that that is your thing...you like being a GM....all good. But I'm going to keep doing my thing.
That's all fine, but if you're going to comment on what's best for the team, approaching it like a fan brings about an innate bias. I'll be here to combat that type of thinking which often times is emotional.

And how am I belligerent? You're the one who is generalizing people on this site. That act not only can get people into trouble on this site, but also in the real world.
 

VF21

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#95
I'm not happy with the "process" because we make two steps back for every step forward. Yes the GS game was great unfortunately it's only 1 game and is offset many several home Ls. So excuse me if I am not happy with that. Perhaps you should raise your standards of excellence
Maybe you should try and see his point of view instead of AGAIN belittling someone who dared to post a thoughtful yet somewhat provocative assessment of the action of a very few posters.
 

VF21

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#96
That's all fine, but if you're going to comment on what's best for the team, approaching it like a fan brings about an innate bias. I'll be here to combat that type of thinking which often times is emotional.

And how am I belligerent? You're the one who is generalizing people on this site. That act not only can get people into trouble on this site, but also in the real world.
He made a general statement and specifically avoided pointing fingers or naming names. There's nothing wrong with that. It's akin to someone making a general comment about those of us who allegedly hate IT.
 
#97
He made a general statement and specifically avoided pointing fingers or naming names. There's nothing wrong with that. It's akin to someone making a general comment about those of us who allegedly hate IT.
You mean the comment you yourself challenged in the IT thread? So how is this different?
 

VF21

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#98
You mean the comment you yourself challenged in the IT thread? So how is this different?
It isn't. That's my point. I disputed your point but did so with what I think are valid comments.

You have strong views, as do a lot of us, but we manage to exist without it resorting to angry PMs to the mods, etc. dude12 didn't say anything that violates any of our "rules" around here, any more than you did in the IT thread.

But we digress. The point was/is that there are some posters on this board (including some who may be "new" but aren't "new") that seem to relish in stirring the pot and causing controversy. It's a fair statement. If someone chooses to take it personally, that's kind of on them, isn't it? As dude12 said, he wasn't referring to you in the first place.
 
#99
Kevin Durant had the lowest scoring game of his career when playing at least 40 minutes.

But I've been in Joerger/Barnes' fan club the whole year - never wavered. So there are 3 of us at least.

Thing I love about Barnes I also used to love about Doug: when he does something boneheaded, he shakes it off and goes hard to the next play. Now Matt does more boneheaded things than I'd like, but he never sulks, never drops off. I'll always love a baller like that.

Guts and guile and dirty tricks and miracle prayers... I'm in.
I want more from a player than guts and guile. I want talent and execution. Barnes is 37% FGs 32% on 3s 9 PER and -14 on net ORtg vs DRtg. These numbers are terrible. Last night he scored 11 points on 10 shots. He guarded two-time MVP who was mentally on another planet. He did not shut Durant down. He was observer to a guy who did not come to play and at odds with teammate (Green). Barnes's stats are Jimmer, Stauskas and Marco level less the rebounds that fell into his lap. These numbers get you bounced from the league and playing in China.

If you find this level of performance satisfactory, fine. But these numbers amount to squat. If you check in at 55% TS plus and legitimately made your counterpart miss shots, as opposed to being witness to his off-night, then you earn your "A" or close to it. Stats aside, dominant performance stick out like a swollen thumb. Last night Barnes was running around, exploiting space to garner rebounds and open shots as result of attention to Boogie. He did not stick out. He was another dude doing what he could. If this amounts to an "A" then the grading curve is absurdly generous.
 
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It isn't. That's my point. I disputed your point but did so with what I think are valid comments.

You have strong views, as do a lot of us, but we manage to exist without it resorting to angry PMs to the mods, etc. dude12 didn't say anything that violates any of our "rules" around here, any more than you did in the IT thread.

But we digress. The point was/is that there are some posters on this board (including some who may be "new" but aren't "new") that seem to relish in stirring the pot and causing controversy. It's a fair statement. If someone chooses to take it personally, that's kind of on them, isn't it? As dude12 said, he wasn't referring to you in the first place.
It's all good. It's just a soft spot for me when I see someone generalize specific groups considering it's a big issue in our country nowadays, but this is not the forum for this type of discussion so I will take a step back.
 

VF21

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It's all good. It's just a soft spot for me when I see someone generalize specific groups considering it's a big issue in our country nowadays, but this is not the forum for this type of discussion so I will take a step back.
Thank you. I respect your opinion and appreciate it it. :)
 
I found this juxtaposition amusing, given that the major reason Durant didn't get much done last night was Barnes.

You'll note that of six graders, three gave an A, two gave an A-, and one gave a B+. So I guess that's six members of the Matt Barnes Fan Club, apparently including myself. Still, I'm pretty sure I've given Barnes at least 5 Fs this year and I'll bet the others have been close. But sure, we're the ones who have no objectivity about Barnes.
Just because a player (Durant) has an off night does not automatically credit the guy assigned to defend him (Barnes). I think this is obvious. Show me plays where Barnes was instrumental in preventing Durant from scoring, where you can say definitively, "damn that's good defense" ??? You will have a hard time finding such evidence.
 
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VF21

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Just because a player (Durant) has an off night does not automatically credit the guy assigned to defend him (Barnes). I think this is obvious. Show me plays where Barnes was instrumental in preventing Durant from scoring, where you can say definitively, "damn that's good defense" ??? You will have a hard time finding such evidence.
I don't have the energy nor inclination to go back over the whole game, but I do know there was one play at least where I actually said something similar to those exact words. I remember it distinctly because I was going to comment on it but the board locked up on me at that exact point in time. I figured it might be a sign or something...and let it pass.
 
In regards to Cousins holding up the zero and saying over over and over. It had nothing to do with clock. I have seen several people say that, Grant even said that. Cousins was speaking to fouls. Warriors had 0 fouls called on them in the 4th last night. I have never seen that happen. We shouldn't have won. The league has to stop this BS. 0 fouls
I was one who said that and stand corrected. The foul thing does not surprise me in the least.
 

VF21

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This team is just emotionally draining. After the suns game, I was dreading watching this. We had no right to even keep it close on the second night of a back to back and we went and pulled out the win.

On a separate note, I think this game may have recruited an extra Kings fan. My girlfriend has kind of supported the Kings passively since I started watching but this game, she was well into it. Practically hiding behind the sofa at the end of regulation and bouncing off the walls when Greene missed that last shot. It was a lot of fun.
Yep. That sounds like a true Kings fan. :p
 
In regards to Cousins holding up the zero and saying over over and over. It had nothing to do with clock. I have seen several people say that, Grant even said that. Cousins was speaking to fouls. Warriors had 0 fouls called on them in the 4th last night. I have never seen that happen. We shouldn't have won. The league has to stop this BS. 0 fouls
I did not know what the 0 represented but I knew it was not the clock. Zero fouls on the W's in the 4th is ridiculous!
 

Bricklayer

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actually at the 2:18 - 2:25 mark, but I'm tired of fighting the board software's oh so helpful autoformat feature
 
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Warhawk

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Wait, people don't like Hamm? I think he's great, he might not be the brightest basketball mind in the world but that's not his job. He gets the fans pretty accurate fair info without alienating the players. That's a pretty good skill.
I've dealt with him personally on a Kings-related project before and he is a total ass. He screwed over the entire project team for personal gain (after being brought in late in the process to help out) and threatened to sue the team leader when called on the **** he pulled. I don't care how mild-mannered and unassuming he is on TV, he personally ****** us all over.

Edit - and there are three other posters on this board involved that would say exactly the same thing, including the one who was about to get sued.
 
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While watching the game, I felt it was rather obvious what Boogie was referring to with holding up the Zero : the number of fouls the Warriors had been called for in the 4th quarter.
Especially when he did it again later on.

What I found interesting is that I didn't hear Napier or Reynolds explain what Boogie had a problem with, or point out that the Warriors had 0 fouls, or even have a problem with the lack of fouls the Warriors get called for at all.

Of course, if they did mention this issue, it would get in the way of their constant fluffing they do of the refs.... :rolleyes:
 
Great game and even my wife, who usually supports the Warriors, because Steph and Draymond are so "cute"...:rolleyes:, was hoping for a miss by Draymond on the last play.
Putting Boogie in this close games really should help him to become the closer the team needs, which is a learning experience most stars go through during their first stints in the Playoffs. Right now Boogie still tends to force things, when in close games and Draymond did a remarkable job on D against him. Not everything is on Boogie though. We as a team need to find ways to make scoring easier for him in the final minutes of a game. Isoing him versus one of the best defenders in the league, without any screening involved and limited time on the clock, is not the best thing to do.
But overall this was as much as we can hope for from a team without Temple. They competed, they hustled and they didn't fold in the end. Loved it!
 

dude12

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If by chance the Kings were to be able to get the 8th spot, I have no illusions that they would win the series, but they could make it difficult even if its a sweep. It would be an opportunity to change the national narrative and maybe, maybe a FA sees this and decides that Sac could be a viable option.

Also, with GS's lack of ability to guard Cousins....maybe Sac steals a game. Would be tough as GS would be ready to make its playoff run but they still can't guard Cousins.