Grades v. Sixers 1/03

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( C ) --looked very rusty for the first three quarters. Or maybe just normal for him this year, I dunno. Hit a few open jumpers but seemed to be flinching a bit when the defense was in the area. But in the early 4th came up with something rare for him -- a 4th quarter scoring burst. Well, just back to back threes. But still likely one of his highest scoring 4ths of the season. Hit a layup late as well. Grabbed an adequate number of boards, and a few in traffic. Amidst all the "Peja is causing everyone else to suck" stuff is lost Peja's own game this time out -- lousy for 3/4, but decent in the 4th. Certainly did absolutely nothing to quash the trade rumors, but was not the worst King on the night, and was one of the few guys to actually show up when it mattered down the stretch. Which may be one of the only times you'll ever hear me say that about Mr. Three Quarters. But there it was.
Thomas ( B- ) -- got off to the quick start in grudge match two, but quieted down and eventually largely disappeared. Was expending a lot of energy early, and while generally outperformed by that washed up Webber guy, did manage to counterpunch here and there with his quickness. Grabbed some boards and was respectable in there offensively when he tried to score. Defensively of course...well Brad's not going to stop anybody, and KT can't stop anybody, and so the rim was open. Again. Also mysteriously lost Webb on a couple of slow motion cuts to the hoop leading to barely contested dunks.
Miller ( A ) -- got off to another huge start -- and really this time with minimal effort as he repeatedly got the open elbow jumper vs. Dalmebert, and just knocked them down. Kept on pouring it on in the 3rd, and for a while was even battling on the glass. But perhaps tired, and certainly drew more defensive attention, when we needed him most down the stretch. And so turned in a huge 36pt(!) performance through three quarters, and then gave us zero in the 4th as the Sixers pulled away. Asbolutely the only reason we were even in the game and huge numbers while carrying us. But loses the "+" as the Sixers' athletic centers began to really take it to him on the glass and in the paint as the game wore on, and his own open jumpers were largely taken away.
Martin ( D ) --got off to the slow start, and looked tentative at times -- maybe over-deferring again. Struggled to hit a shot from inside or out. Made a couple of hustle plays but that was about it. And despite getting the lion's share of the OG minutes completely disappeared in the second half. Would have barely known he was out there. Just a placeholder eating up minutes. Back down to earth with a thud. And have to wonder about the effect star players and over-deferring have on his mentality.
Bibby ( D- ) --sloppy start to this one, seemed to be having trouble with Webb in particular. On the other hand Iverson was absolutely terrible in the first half, and while its safe to say that A.I. is imminently capable of that all by himself, at least he wasn't getting easy layups on every drive, although by the end of the half was getting into the lane and breaking things down. The one thing Mike did do was rack up assists, although most of them were setups out of Mike's preferred two man game to Brad for that jumper. Offensively just no rhythm. Kept on missing and missing, easy shots and hard. And then Iverson started to arrive and things really became nightmarish. Avoids an F on a 4-20 night by dint of having something to do with Brad's big night.
Garcia ( B- ) -- came off the bench with energy and other than messing up a fastbreak minimized his mistakes. In the 4th started to turn off the brain a bit and do bright things like force shots and try to pickpocket Allen Iverson in the open court. :rolleyes: Still, overall a solid effort giving us some energy with fewer than his normal allotment of mistakes.
Hart ( F ) -- came in and was Jason Hart. Which as it has turned out this season is NOT a good thing. Impatient, forced shots, fouled people. Missed a pair of FTs in the midst of our second quarter meltdown. Gave us no little man option off the bench...well except for that other little man option named Price (who has no pedigree and may well be a scrub but couldn't do much worse). Gave us that one respectable performance last time out against Boston, but otherwise no idea why Jason still sees the floor.
Williamson ( D ) -- was the first PF off the bench but just too small. Tried to body Webb. But also fouled and was beaten by quickness. Just completely ineffective against his old team and the big Sixers frontline. As I recall in the first game vs. Philly last year Corliss put up big numbers -- but it was because we had him at SF schooling Korver with his preferred post-the-SF game, not at PF inside against Chris Webber and Samuel Dalembert.
Skinner ( B ) -- finally got into the game in the early 4th when Brad had picked up his 4th and we needed to give him a little blow. And Rick left Brian in there for a bit even after Brad returned to give energy and blocked shots. Did a solid job of it too -- as usual about the only interior physical presence we have. Brian sucked last time out against Boston, but still no idea what Rick was thinking trying the little man frontline rotation against this team rather than giving Brian the rotation minutes earlier. In any case that's discussed under coaching.
Price ( INC ) -- Garbagetime.
Sampson ( INC ) -- Garbagetime.

Adelman ( D ) -- it was just a little thing, just for a few minutes. But it certainly tainted this entire grade. In the 2nd quarter with the Kings with a healthy lead dwindling under a Sixers run, Rick decides to get Brad a little rest from the strain of carrying us. And so who does Rick bring in to match up against Chris Webber (20pts 16rebs) and Samuel Dalembert (20pts 14rebs)? None other than 6'5" Corliss Williamson. To stand in there alongside 6'7" Kenny Thomas as our frontline. Giving up 4-5 inches per position. And it went well as might be expected. That is if you're a Sixers fan. At least Rick had the good sense to call a timeout and change things after the Sixers ran off six quick points and grabbed every rebound, but the damage to this grade was done. 6'9" shotblocker/rebounder Brian Skinner was sitting on our bench. So was 6'11" shotblocker/rebounder Jamal Sampson. But our choice to match up against a big frontline that dropped 40pts 30rebs on us was 6'5" tweener forward Corliss Williamson. Bright. Other things of note, good and bad: 1) we ran a lot of Mike and Brad two man game to get Brad his big night = good; 2) the Peja crutch was back, with him returning, sucking for 3/4, and yet still getting 40min. = bad. He could be 0-20 and somehow Rick feels comfortable with him out on the floor. At least he came through somewhat down the stretch. 3) We finally went to Skinner in the 4th, and he responded with some good energetic play; = good, but too late; 4) Hart is still mysteriously ahead of Price = bad; 5) Rick used his timeouts well. Or at least where I would have. = good. Always gratifying when I mutter "we need a time out" and the coach immediately calls one. Gratifies my ego + makes me feel like I am playing a computer game. ;) Overall this was not as horrendous a job as people are making it out to be. But the small ball stuff is patently ridiculous (and people say they'd like to have Don Nelson :eek: ). I remember the good ole days when Rick would willingly play Scot Pollard without blinking. I remember when he began to get a little uncomfortable with him for some reason in favor of Hedo style PF matchups. But it probably wasn't until the Darius era when this riduculous preference for undersized forwards as big men really began to rot away at us. And it needs to end now. Whether it means Rick, Geoff, or every single tweener forward on the roster being eliminated. Repeat after me Rick -- big men are nice. Big men are good. As was proven by the Sixers taking their big men and pounding us to dust inside.
 
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Jesus, RA doesnt want to be here, he is doing everything to get Fired, Price will be our starting center next game.... just watch.
 
Brad: A
Adelman: F
Garcia: B looked good in the first half with a nice little spin move and had a nice assist finding keving cutting to the basket.
 
Bibby...D-...Just an atroucious night for Mike...Couldn't hit anything at all...Slightly redeems himself with an 11-assist night, but on a night where we needed someone to step up, we needed much much more from him.

Martin...D...Came crashing back down to earth with a deafening thud...Outside of his few ally-oops, played pitifully on the offensive side of the ball...Actually managed to make Iverson take some tough shots on occasion, so I will give him credit for that.

Peja...D...Not a horrible game...But man, does this guy just seem to disrupt the flow of the team...Hopefully it's just the whole 'timing' thing, and we just need to get used to him again...

Thomas...B-...Played extremly conservativly after going off in his last game...Didn't seem to try to get into an offensive flow...You can't blame him for that, but on a night when we need something, and you have a potential matchup in his favor? Maybe he should have demanded the ball...14 rebounds is very nice coming from the PF spot...Especially after getting used to our customary 3-7 rebounds per night.

Miller...A...Kept un is the game...Simple as that...Was pretty much making his jumper at will...Also rebounded in double figures! All-in-all very solid.

Hart...F...Why in God's name is he in our roatation still? Let alone this team? Let alone this league?

Garcia...C+...A spark off the bench...Rebounded, hustled, made a jumper, made a stupid mistake or two...The Cisco norm.

Williamson...F...
Nothing at all.

Skinner...B...In his very limited role, attempted to spark us with a shot, some rebounds and a black.

Price...INC...
Garbagetime...Please crack the rotation soon.

Sampson...INC...
Garbagetime...
 
SLAB said:
Hart...F...Why in God's name is he in our roatation still? Let alone this team? Let alone this league?
All good questions... especially the last one.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja ( C ) --looked very rusty for the first three quarters. Or maybe just normal for him this year, I dunno. Hit a few open jumpers but seemed to be flinching a bit when the defense was in the area. But in the early 4th came up with something rare for him -- a 4th quarter scoring burst. Well, just back to back threes. But still likely one of his highest scoring 4ths of the season. Hit a layup late as well. Grabbed an adequate number of boards, and a few in traffic. Amidst all the "Peja is causing everyone else to suck" stuff is lost Peja's own game this time out -- lousy for 3/4, but decent in the 4th. Certainly did absolutely nothing to quash the trade rumors, but was not the worst King on the night, and was one of the few guys to actually show up when it mattered down the stretch. Which may be one of the only times you'll ever hear me say that about Mr. Three Quarters. But there it was.
Thomas ( B- ) -- got off to the quick start in grudge match two, but quieted down and eventually largely disappeared. Was expending a lot of energy early, and while generally outperformed by that washed up Webber guy, did manage to counterpunch here and there with his quickness. Grabbed some boards and was respectable in there offensively when he tried to score. Defensively of course...well Brad's not going to stop anybody, and KT can't stop anybody, and so the rim was open. Again. Also mysteriously lost Webb on a couple of slow motion cuts to the hoop leading to barely contested dunks.
Miller ( A ) -- got off to another huge start -- and really this time with minimal effort as he repeatedly got the open elbow jumper vs. Dalmebert, and just knocked them down. Kept on pouring it on in the 3rd, and for a while was even battling on the glass. But perhaps tired, and certainly drew more defensive attention, when we needed him most down the stretch. And so turned in a huge 36pt(!) performance through three quarters, and then gave us zero in the 4th as the Sixers pulled away. Asbolutely the only reason we were even in the game and huge numbers while carrying us. But loses the "+" as the Sixers' athletic centers began to really take it to him on the glass and in the paint as the game wore on, and his own open jumpers were largely taken away.
Martin ( D ) --got off to the slow start, and looked tentative at times -- maybe over-deferring again. Struggled to hit a shot from inside or out. Made a couple of hustle plays but that was about it. And despite getting the lion's share of the OG minutes completely disappeared in the second half. Would have barely known he was out there. Just a placeholder eating up minutes. Back down to earth with a thud. And have to wonder about the effect star players and over-deferring have on his mentality.
Bibby ( D- ) --sloppy start to this one, seemed to be having trouble with Webb in particular. On the other hand Iverson was absolutely terrible in the first half, and while its safe to say that A.I. is imminently capable of that all by himself, at least he wasn't getting easy layups on every drive, although by the end of the half was getting into the lane and breaking things down. The one thing Mike did do was rack up assists, although most of them were setups out of Mike's preferred two man game to Brad for that jumper. Offensively just no rhythm. Kept on missing and missing, easy shots and hard. And then Iverson started to arrive and things really became nightmarish. Avoids an F on a 4-20 night by dint of having something to do with Brad's big night.
Garcia ( B- ) -- came off the bench with energy and other than messing up a fastbreak minimized his mistakes. In the 4th started to turn off the brain a bit and do bright things like force shots and try to pickpocket Allen Iverson in the open court. :rolleyes: Still, overall a solid effort giving us some energy with fewer than his normal allotment of mistakes.
Hart ( F ) -- came in and was Jason Hart. Which as it has turned out this season is NOT a good thing. Impatient, forced shots, fouled people. Missed a pair of FTs in the midst of our second quarter meltdown. Gave us no little man option off the bench...well except for that other little man option named Price (who has no pedigree and may well be a scrub but couldn't do much worse). Gave us that one respectable performance last time out against Boston, but otherwise no idea why Jason still sees the floor.
Williamson ( D ) -- was the first PF off the bench but just too small. Tried to body Webb. But also fouled and was beaten by quickness. Just completely ineffective against his old team and the big Sixers frontline. As I recall in the first game vs. Philly last year Corliss put up big numbers -- but it was because we had him at SF schooling Korver with his preferred post-the-SF game, not at PF inside against Chris Webber and Samuel Dalembert.
Skinner ( B ) -- finally got into the game in the early 4th when Brad had picked up his 4th and we needed to give him a little blow. And Rick left Brian in there for a bit even after Brad returned to give energy and blocked shots. Did a solid job of it too -- as usual about the only interior physical presence we have. Brian sucked last time out against Boston, but still no idea what Rick was thinking trying the little man frontline rotation against this team rather than giving Brian the rotation minutes earlier. In any case that's discussed under coaching.
Price ( INC ) -- Garbagetime.
Sampson ( INC ) -- Garbagetime.

Adelman ( ) -- coming...
Well said. I can swallow the (D). He was back to standing in the corner again too. I wonder though if that is by design to try and take his man out of the play? At any rate it will not work until he proves he can hit that corner 3 which will then force his man to stay with him. Alot for Kevin to learn still, but, there is no doubt in my mind that he will.
 
OHSacFan said:
Well said. I can swallow the (D). He was back to standing in the corner again too. I wonder though if that is by design to try and take his man out of the play? At any rate it will not work until he proves he can hit that corner 3 which will then force his man to stay with him. Alot for Kevin to learn still, but, there is no doubt in my mind that he will.

My assessment was that he totally deferred to Peja. He looked 100% better against the Clippers and the Celtics.

Just my three cents...
 
VF21 said:
My assessment was that he totally deferred to Peja. He looked 100% better against the Clippers and the Celtics.

Just my three cents...

Everyone totally deferred to Peja tonight. I didn't like it all that much.
 
SacTownKid said:
Everyone totally deferred to Peja tonight. I didn't like it all that much.

And Pedja made them miss shots and made them not defend or rebound.

Come on now
 
He brings up a valid point, piksi. With Peja back on the court, he was going to be more involved. There were a lot of spacing problems, missed plays, etc. that could easily have been attributed to Peja being on the court. The team looked better - at least against the Clippers and the Celtics - with Peja dressed in a nice suit sitting behind the team.
 
piksi said:
And Pedja made them miss shots and made them not defend or rebound.

Come on now

Maybe, or maybe not, but I certainly noticed the lack of chemistry that I saw with Kevin and Francisco taking a larger role sans Peja.
 
VF21 said:
He brings up a valid point, piksi. With Peja back on the court, he was going to be more involved. There were a lot of spacing problems, missed plays, etc. that could easily have been attributed to Peja being on the court. The team looked better - at least against the Clippers and the Celtics - with Peja dressed in a nice suit sitting behind the team.

First of all Sixers have a better team that Celtics and Clippers

I would agree if Kings shot decent and lost the game. But if Mike goes 8-20 and Martin goes 4-11 we would have probably won the game and the story would have been different
 
piksi said:
First of all Sixers have a better team that Celtics and Clippers

I would agree if Kings shot decent and lost the game. But if Mike goes 8-20 and Martin goes 4-11 we would have probably won the game and the story would have been different

Nah.
 
Question is whether Voisin will roast Adelman for running Peja 40 minutes coming off an injury and messing with the team's previously successful chemistry (these days, a two game winning streak is nothing to sneeze at for Kings' fans).
 
4cwebb said:
Question is whether Voisin will roast Adelman for running Peja 40 minutes coming off an injury and messing with the team's previously successful chemistry (these days, a two game winning streak is nothing to sneeze at for Kings' fans).

You should know better by now

Webber was in town and that is just too good of an opportunity to pass it.
 
Peja, despite ending up with nice numbers, rather hurt the flow of the entire team. His shots were not in the flow of the offense and just sort of being pushed into the offense. This is fine when he's hot, but he had like 40 seconds of being hot in the entire game.

I remember thinking "Things are actually going good with the two rooks in the game, bench production oh my!" Then Peja came in and the flow just dissapated. It's just not good when your shooter comes in and the entire team's shooting goes to crap. That doesn't make sense, something is wrong.
 
swisshh said:
Peja, despite ending up with nice numbers, rather hurt the flow of the entire team. His shots were not in the flow of the offense and just sort of being pushed into the offense. This is fine when he's hot, but he had like 40 seconds of being hot in the entire game.

I remember thinking "Things are actually going good with the two rooks in the game, bench production oh my!" Then Peja came in and the flow just dissapated. It's just not good when your shooter comes in and the entire team's shooting goes to crap. That doesn't make sense, something is wrong.

Normally I don't care about the +/- stats but Kings were up by 14 with Peja off the floor in the 2nd quarter. He came back in the game and the Kings were up by 10 and then end up down by 4 at half. That's a 14 point swing(although some of that had to do with the small ball we played) and then he pretty much played the whole 2nd half and we never got close.
 
I think grades were a bit too gracious. Miller was the offense leader for sure. But that was it. His slow-of-foot enabled a big bunch of easy buckets and rarely protected a weak defender out front. KT showed some spurts but nothing consistent and he too was caught flat footed quite a few times.

Bibby and Kenny unfortunately both had off nights shooting going a combined 8 for 32. Bibby kept plays going but got little support from anyone else with cuts and movements without the ball. Then again from my vantage it looked like a bunch of cuts, few that there were, that were open never got the ball.

My worry from this game is how glaring is the lack of unity, the lack of moving with out the ball and the lapses in brain functions everyone appears to be having. Our recent 2 wins were against not very good teams who shot terrible.

Whenever Skinner comes in there is a burst of energy, a blocked shot or two, better defense than any other biggy we have and movement to impede drives to the basket.

We have to see more of Skinner and Sampson. Afterall, as many said elsewhere, they can't be any worse that what is out their getting a bulk of the minutes.
 
Skinner and Sampson should be backing up PF/C, not Corliss/Skinner. Corliss should play at both SF/PF.

The Clippers aren't a very good team? Maggette was out, but they've still played well without him during the season. Rebraca/Ross were out too, but I don't think that would of mattered too much.
 
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Clips had lost 5 of 7 before playing us -- maybe coming down to Earth without Maggette.

Boston is a bad team, and was 2-10 on the road before playing us. Showed.

Sixers are only mediocre, but might be headed the other way now that they're healthy. Could well be the best of the bunch by the end, but that's premature.

BTW, much as I think Skinner should be in the rotation as a defensive big, he has been wildly up and down this season, ans sucked as recently as the Boston game. Given the apparent preexisting prejudices on the coaching staff, that sort of inconsistency is all the excuse it takes. Not as if he has showed well every time he hit the floor.
 
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