Grades v. Raptors 02/07/10

In the past 6 games, which guy has pummeled us the worst?

  • Paul Milsap 32pts 14rebs 7ast (11-17 FG) in 43min

    Votes: 24 33.3%
  • Gerald Wallace 38pts 11rebs (12-18 FG) in 45min

    Votes: 22 30.6%
  • Kenyon Martin 24pts 12rebs (10-15 FG) in 46min

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tim Duncan 22pts 13rebs (8-14 FG) in 29min

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Amare Stoudemire 30pts 9rebs (10-16 FG) in 38min

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Chris Bosh 36pts 11reb 5ast (14-18 FG) in 41min

    Votes: 25 34.7%

  • Total voters
    72

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And so another loss...hence, as promised there will be a theme. Its Super Bowl Sunday...we were in Canada...so something along one of those lines methinks.

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Boxscore

Casspi ( C- ) -- another start, but still struggling to get shots, and to hit them when he does. Got out on the break, but missed the finish. Got his only hit of the night down inside. Turned it over on the pass triggering a Raptors break, and was too weak containing Hedo early -- the defense in fact would cost him most of his minutes to Noc this afternoon. Back in and traveled trying to escape Turk. Had several boards in the second, then got just clocked by a Bargnani elbow of all people trying to clear space after grabbingthe d-board. Big clean smack. Broken jaws suck -- I should know -- and that could do it. Back in with a d-board late in the third, and the rebounding was really his contribution this time out. Not sure if the blow to the head had anything to do with his limited second half minutes, or whether the lack of offense/defense did. Either way minutes were limited.

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Greene ( C+ ) -- the Donte at PF thing did not work this time as Bosh killed us, and it got bad enough that we did not even start him after half. Missed the early three, then another long jumper, got overpowered by Bosh early, left early in favor of JT. No impact after returning either, and then Bosh resumed beating him up. As mentioned lost the starting position after half, but was back in when JT picked up his 4th in the middel of the third quarter. Drove and got his shot blocked. Was not even being guarded by Bargnani in the third who was basically just sitting back there in a constant soft double on Reke. Donte wasn't doing a good job (or any job) of taking advantage of that, and it inspired us to call a timeout that triggered Donte's highlight of the night. Coming out of the timeout Reke hit Donte not once, not two times, but three straight times for threes, and Donte hit all three of them as we caugth back up and took the lead. 3-3 in the space of about 3 minutes. A couple of minutes later the newfound need to guard him close got him fouled behind the 3pt line, but he only hit 1 of 3 of the FTs. Was trying to go into the post in the early 4th, and yelled at Casspi when Casspi's man was able to double Donte because of the spacing, although truth be told I don't know where Omri was supposed to take him unless we were going to clear out the entire side. Got the o-baord at the 4:30 mark and got fouled, but again only hit 1 of 2 and finished the night 2-5 from the line. The grade he got here is almost entirely about that three point barrage unleasehed out of the timeout in the late 3rd. The rest of the game he was 1-7 and got run over by Bosh.
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Hawes ( B ) -- certainly had no fear of Bargnani out there, and gee that's a shocker. Neither would Calista Flockhart. Went right into the post for the move over Bargnani. Waded in for and o-reb and finish -- something he did a lot of today. Missed the open three off the kickout from Reke, but finished with a solid 6pt 4reb first quarter. Came back in and was on the o-boards again with another layup. Beat by Bosh on the missed FT rebound to close the half -- Bosh got it, laid it in and Toronto goes in up 3. After the break a turnover on the attempted pass to Reke in the post, then a little quick post move on Bargnai. Blew a little putback on the o-glass again. Jumper on the kick from Reke. Will get credit for a follow when a ball bounced off Bosh's hands in front of him into the hoop on the "closest offensive player" rule. Got a block on Bargnani. Missed a jumper, got the o-board, sneaky little flip follow, missed it and got fouled. took a lot of shots, and the numbers say he shot poorly. Numbers also say he rebounded well. All of that is a little deceptive because what it really was was him just being a) active on the offensive glass; and b) not being able to finish consistently...the first time. So a shot would go up, his or somebody else's, and he went crashing in there to get the board and the follow. As such his shots were mostly off of o-boards, and not terribly disruptive. Helpful to have a guy that active on the o-boards, but that also meant that he wasn't controlling the d-glass very well. Solid game, but a bit unusual in its structure for Spencer.
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Martin ( B- ) -- decent game including a hot streak highlight, but marred by our shooting guard's continuing inability to shoot. Missed a jumper off the screen to start the game, drew a foul on Hedo, weak foul on the move and hit 1 of 2 FTs as he had some struggles there again on the night. Casual barely grazed the iron three. missed the jumper courtesy of the Reke kickout. secveral early rebounds. Scooped up a loose ball and raced full court + hit and took a hard fall. Hit 1 of 2 FTs again. Tried to fly in for seceral offensive boards, but failed. Tried to draw a foul on the drive rather than just shoot it. Drive on the break and blew the layup. Could have been the crusher again with the ongoing confidence issues, but next time down was again in the open court adn pulled up to hit the jumper insead, and then a third time down on the break as the old Raptors' traditional "defense" popped up, drew the foul from Hedo going to the rim. Backdoor cut courtesy of Hawes, steal picking off a pass and full court layup with 30 seconds to go in the half. Tried to flop on defense back the other way, sending Hedo to the line to close the half. Missed jumper again to start the third, then a second jumper. Drive trying to draw the foul but still able to finsih. Missed another jumper. Drew a foul on the move. Missed a three on a kick from Reke. Fourth started with 1 of 2 Fts. Missed a corner three. Missed another jumper -- you know, as much as I generally advocate emulating my awesomeness as a key to success in this world, borrowing my jumpshot is generally not where I would start. Finally hit a three at the 3:15 mark. Did his foul drawing jerk along the baseline at the 1:30 mark and hit both FTs. Obviously a vast improvement on the last game. Got his points, helped on the glass, and even had a few minutes of impact basketball there down the stretch of the first half. But took a ton of shots to get those points and devolved into missed jumper after missed jumper after the break. Ended up another subpar shooting night at 7-18, and of course another loss as we are now 2-16 in his games this season.
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Evans ( C ) -- started this one off abusing Jarret Jack, who is a pretty good defender, but as the game wore on again encountered a wall of double teams and guys lurking in the paint which our shooters only sporadically punished. Pushed him toward offensive passivity and he only got off 8 shots (+5 FTs, but he seemed on his way to a career high in assists until the offense sputtered late and he was forced into inefficient attempts to drive through 2 or 3 guys at a time late. Started off the game with a great full court open court take, blocked Jack on the break, then quick blow by Jack along the baseline, then back in and fouled. Beatuiful behind the back drive and dish off to Jason on which Jason got fouled. Nice drive and kick to Noc, steal on defense, hit the technical FT on the defensive 3 second call, pass picked off kicking out of the post, dish on the drive to Casspi who got fouled. Probably had half a dozen assists blown by teammates in the first half alone as he kicked and kicked and they bricked and bricked. Called on a carry on a drive. In the third forced a drive over Bargnani on the double -- he wasn't even trying to guard Donte. Led to our timeout and the resulting sequence where three staihgt times Reke kicked it to Donte, and Donte punished the Raptors for sagging wiht three straihgt bombs. Unfortunately the only real spell of that all night as otherwise we wre 2-11 from 3pt land. Little forced baseline jumper. Steal on Jack. Stepped out for the long jumper. Terrible lost control pass trying to alley oop it to Donte, and so high that even if we really do trade for Thabeet he would not have been able to get up there high enough to snag it. Then got it stripped driving the lane for the bakc to back TOs befor esitting down to rest for the rest of the quarter. Forced the drive at the 3:45 mark and just too much traffic = no hope. Long missed jumper in desperation late. No assists in the 4th, and I think only 2 pts after half as the Raptors just collapsed 2,3,4 guys back into the paint and said to the rest of our team, yo scrubs, you are going to have to beat us. And we did not.
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Bench

Thompson ( C+ ) -- some help defense on Jack, finish +1 inside late in the quarter, missed the FT -- always does that. Slowed Bosh briefly, but the longer the matchup went, the more Bosh began to dominate it. Inside finishes and FTs getting him solid first stint numbers. Still managed to pick up three first half fouls, but decently aggressive and 3 fouls as a backup is different than 3 fouls limiting you to short minutes as a starter. In fact with Donte unable to contend with Bosh got the 3rd quarter start. Unintentionally banked in a jumper, then picked up his 4th mid-way through the 3rd trying to guard Bosh. Missed the jump hook in the early 4th. Aggresive drive, but lucky not to get called for running over Calderon, then missed the shot, got it back and was fouled. Tried to drive on Bosh and Bosh blocked it with authority. Returned with his old markers intact: bad defense and constant foul trouble. But mostly in control on offense, gave us some boards, and felt more stable thna he did the last time we have seen him.
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Nocioni ( B- ) -- off the bench to try to contain Hedo with Casspi struggling, largely did that in his first stint with physical defense, but missed his shots early. Got back on the break and drew the offensive foul, then hit a three on the Reke kick, followed by a post move past DeRozan. Bad turnover up top leading to a Raptors break. Tough and unneccesarily 1 on 1 jumper in early 4th. Blocked on the drive. Driving layup late in the 4th. Nothing special, not much on the glass, but seemed better able to contend with Hedo's bulk and mobility than Casspi, and probably would have left Bargnani singing falsetto had Andrea tried that elbow thing on him.
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May ( B ) -- solid bench play for us in fairly short minutes. Hit a long jumper, then a little post move in his early stint. Jumper from Beno to start the 4th. Then drew the charge on Antoine Wright. Then another jumper. Offensive foul trying to get the o-board, then went inside and got badly swatted. Followed that by running over and resuming his normal seat on the bench. But not before nothcing 8 points in his 8 minutes and mattering a little.
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Udrih ( B- ) -- much better outing. Took a while to get going but finally hit a jumper, stopped and popped inside of a minute to go. Missed the technical FT to start the 4th. Hit the little jumper when the blocked a May shot fell into his hands. Drive and fouled. Missed the three on the Reke kickout. Gotta say I was surprised by the final boxscore -- I did not see this defensive demon out there racking up 3stls and a block. But he played better than he has been.
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Udoka ( INC ) -- in for the first time for the final play of the 3rd, and tipped in a Noc miss to beat the buzzer. Gaver us an additional benefit as it upset the Toronto bench so much that they got t'd up
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Notes: still can't beleive people were arguing against trying to get
Bosh because Jason would be just as good. Excellent timeout in the late third when they weren't guarding Donte and were doubling Reke with his man. We called the TO, talked it over, and came out of the timeout with 3 straight Reke to Donte 3's.
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Ummm, where did my topic go?

Long ago we decided there could only be one grades thread at a time to avoid splintering discussion. But you, or anyone else for that matter, is free to post their own grades in this one as well.
 
so long story short - Don't steal Bricklayer's schtick.


Not even that. Like I say people are free to post grades in this one. At various points in the past there have even been nightly alternative grades posted by people. Just all have to take place under the same roof to avoid splintering.
 
Too bad that Evans didn't take over this game. He was trying to get his teammates involved (9 assists!), and until the end, didn't take any bad shots (he was 3 for 5 until the last minute when he was forcing shots). If he could have had something like 23-11-5, then I could see him making a run for the All-Star game. Oh well.
 
Is it just me or does the last 5 years feel like we're becoming the Detroit lions of the NBA? I'm sick of these losses where we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.:(
 
Is it just me or does the last 5 years feel like we're becoming the Detroit lions of the NBA? I'm sick of these losses where we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.:(

We have better talent... And at one point should have won a title
 
Not even that. Like I say people are free to post grades in this one. At various points in the past there have even been nightly alternative grades posted by people. Just all have to take place under the same roof to avoid splintering.

Sure I believe you :p
 
This is happy compared to the 80s and most of the 90s. It could be so much worse.
Yes, being a season ticket holder for my (and the Kings) first fourteen years really tested your fanhood. I passed with flying colors. They did well for most of game but self destructed as usual. It's like they get a brief bit of bad news - like Udrih's missed technical foul shot - and it immediately infects them all and causes 7 minutes of 0 for whatever. Then the pits too deep.
 
Shame on you Donte

When he was shot the 3 three points i was so happy! but prubebly his pee get over is mind and after 1 minute he damage all his promformence with the screaming on Casspi. No player in that situation can scream about a teammate from his lineup or his group like he does, i'm was shamed with that behavior no metter if ther was any reason to shout on a teammate or not.

From +7 point lead in this sitoation it was deap down to the finel score.

I say the 3 three shoots and the sucks shouts of Donte to Omri this is call: WTF moment of the game. end of the story.

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Anybody noticed how all those guys "that plummet us the worse" in the poll are FRONTCOURT players!?



HMMMM :rolleyes:
 
ohh and I think the return of that image will be very appropriate considering how badly we suck right now
































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When he was shot the 3 three points i was so happy! but prubebly his pee get over is mind and after 1 minute he damage all his promformence with the screaming on Casspi. No player in that situation can scream about a teammate from his lineup or his group like he does, i'm was shamed with that behavior no metter if ther was any reason to shout on a teammate or not.

From +7 point lead in this sitoation it was deap down to the finel score.

I say the 3 three shoots and the sucks shouts of Donte to Omri this is call: WTF moment of the game. end of the story.

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WTF are you talking about?
 
Is it just me or does the last 5 years feel like we're becoming the Detroit lions of the NBA? I'm sick of these losses where we manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.:(

Well, five years ago from this one we were 50 and 32, followed by 44 and 38. However it was the beginning of the downward trend.
 
if you saw the game you knew what he is talking about ...

Donte were screaming on Omri after bad move of donte

This kind of thing happens on the court all the time. Omri was out of position and Donte was trying to get him out of his way. If your posting up a smaller man the last thing you want, is one of your teammates moving close enough to you that his defender can help out on you. As it turned out the player defending Omri is the one that blocked Donte's shot. So Donte had a legitimate reason to be upset. Its called spacing the floor.

I would like to add that I wonder if the situation was reversed, and it was Omri yelling at Donte, if the euro fans would be so quick to judge.
 
Omri should of known, Donte had a easy iso but Casspi didnt move and his guy was with Greene.

Rookie mistake he will learn from it.
 
so long story short - Don't steal Bricklayer's schtick.

LOL one he does very well I might add...:)

I would have to say that the Bosh Destroyed the Kings as badly as any front court player has this season. It is abundantly obvious what the Kings problem is, yet nothing has yet been done to fix it (and don't give me nonna that Paris Hilton Armstrong guff either!!) The fact of the matter is the Kings are Young and Weak and their interior defense is paper thin. Hawes is TOO THIN TO WIN, so he gets beat in so many different ways that it is hard to quantify. He gets pushed on his shots and he misses, he gets pushed under the rim so he gets no rebound, he gets dislodged from his defensive position by a stronger player and give up a layup, he gets moved like a 12 year old boy and kept out of the action by the other team's small forward more than not. JT is also not playing strong. In fact he is playing very soft as well. Until the Kings develop a toughness in the middle of their defense they are gonna lose and lose often. You cant be working hard for jump shots at one end and give up easy baskets on the other and expect to win. They cant get a stop to save their lives!!

It is simply a matter of fact. The Kings have NO POST PLAYERS. They have players who play in the post, but they cant guard nor score against other post players so they are nullified by their own weaknesses. The Kings have a pretty good back court rotation, and if they DID have a post player, they would probably win a few more games, but the bottom line is that Hawes needs to put on 25-35 lbs of muscle to be competitive. JT needs to get stronger AND smarter. The defense just sucks right now. That is the cold hard facts right now. The Kings have no one on the roster that can play defense in the post. They have no one who plays in the post that has to be double teamed. It is near impossible to win games on jump shots alone.

So what are the Kings going to do? Now that is the 64 DOLLAR question. Petrie plays things very close to the vest so you never really know what he is about till it just springs out at you. He wont let on what he is planing. There is a good possibility that there will be no value at the trade deadline for the Kings players that need to be traded to acquire a legitimate center or power forward. I can see Petrie standing pat, and looking to the draft to build the Kings front court. Also he needs time to let JT and Hawes mature. Both are 2-3 years away from making a real determination on. Hawes has game offensively. But he is a total liability on defense and he gets a measly 6 rebounds a game for a 7'1" center. That is terrible! I think it will be a combination of a free agent Banger and a drafted front court player to help improve the Kings while they wait for the Bigs they do have to mature. Waiting = Losing so hold onto your hats, the bottom has yet to be seen....
 
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Agianst our frontcourt Bosh looked like Shaq in his prime...he doesn't look super strong though so it surprised me...some guys know how to use their strength and others don't.
 
LOL one he does very well I might add...:)

I would have to say that the Bosh Destroyed the Kings as badly as any front court player has this season. It is abundantly obvious what the Kings problem is, yet nothing has yet been done to fix it (and don't give me nonna that Paris Hilton Armstrong guff either!!) The fact of the matter is the Kings are Young and Weak and their interior defense is paper thin. Hawes is TOO THIN TO WIN, so he gets beat in so many different ways that it is hard to quantify. He gets pushed on his shots and he misses, he gets pushed under the rim so he gets no rebound, he gets dislodged from his defensive position by a stronger player and give up a layup, he gets moved like a 12 year old boy and kept out of the action by the other team's small forward more than not. JT is also not playing strong. In fact he is playing very soft as well. Until the Kings develop a toughness in the middle of their defense they are gonna lose and lose often. You cant be working hard for jump shots at one end and give up easy baskets on the other and expect to win. They cant get a stop to save their lives!!

It is simply a matter of fact. The Kings have NO POST PLAYERS. They have players who play in the post, but they cant guard nor score against other post players so they are nullified by their own weaknesses. The Kings have a pretty good back court rotation, and if they DID have a post player, they would probably win a few more games, but the bottom line is that Hawes needs to put on 25-35 lbs of muscle to be competitive. JT needs to get stronger AND smarter. The defense just sucks right now. That is the cold hard facts right now. The Kings have no one on the roster that can play defense in the post. They have no one who plays in the post that has to be double teamed. It is near impossible to win games on jump shots alone.

So what are the Kings going to do? Now that is the 64 DOLLAR question. Petrie plays things very close to the vest so you never really know what he is about till it just springs out at you. He wont let on what he is planing. There is a good possibility that there will be no value at the trade deadline for the Kings players that need to be traded to acquire a legitimate center or power forward. I can see Petrie standing pat, and looking to the draft to build the Kings front court. Also he needs time to let JT and Hawes mature. Both are 2-3 years away from making a real determination on. Hawes has game offensively. But he is a total liability on defense and he gets a measly 6 rebounds a game for a 7'1" center. That is terrible! I think it will be a combination of a free agent Banger and a drafted front court player to help improve the Kings while they wait for the Bigs they do have to mature. Waiting = Losing so hold onto your hats, the bottom has yet to be seen....

Those two sentences actually say just about eveyrthing that needs to be said.