Don't want to give up Jimmer just yet.
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Don't want to give up Jimmer just yet.
Luckily we don't have to. Call me Pollyanna but I think Petrie is on the verge of getting this whole roster mess straightened out, especially with owners who are reinvested in the future of the team.
Jimmer is a rookie whose time will come. He's gonna get his chance and I predict a lot of people will be consuming bird feathers when he does.
Here's the thing: Where does his minutes come from?
We have 3 guards under 24 who deserve to get every single minute at the guard positions
Not my problem. I don't really worry too much about minutes. I think there are ways to balance the use of players, especially when you have a good bench. It's my belief that a lot of people tend to underestimate the value of having talent on the bench that might not play a lot of minutes but is always available.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
We will see. These things tend to work themselves out one way or another
jcwkings
All-Star
I think people give Jimmer a hard time because they see Isaiah playing so good as a rookie as the last pick in the draft. Truth is Isaiah is a legit steal that only fell because of his size. Jimmer on the other hand has to go from a guy that got 30 shots a game and had the ball in his hands most of the time, to a guy that will get between 5 and 8 shots depending on playing time.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Jimmer is fine, supporting his team mates, saying all the right things, ready when his number is called - however limited at this point. He can always look at someone like Steve Nash, who barely played his first THREE years in NBA - because he was slowly developing. Jimmer has plenty of time to develop into very good, maybe star level NBA player - and he knows it.
The Hammer
All-Star
At least it's 13 million dollar ****.
KingsFanatic
Bench
Hopefully Thorton's playing tonight will end some of the Thorton bashing I've read on this forum. No, he's not perfect when it comes to defense, but his offense output the last few games has made a HUGE difference and without him tonight, we would have lost the game.........
eh?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Amount of his rookie contract perhaps. Even if he completely bombed out of the NBA he'd be set for life just by getting drafted if he was even remotely decent with his money.
You really think scoring a bunch of points has nothing to do with giving up a bunch of points? You see 85-90 games all the time. You see 110-115 games all the time. You don't see many 85-115 games and you certainly don't see any of the elite teams with great offenses and defenses averaging that. Usually the elite teams have about an 7-10 point spread from what they score and what they give up. You don't see any teams averaging 100pts a game and giving up 85. The best offenses give up more points and the best defenses score less. They go hand in hand no matter what players are on the team.
Indeed.
Either way, it'll be interesting to see what we do with him. He's going to have a difficult time getting minutes nowadays with IT, MT and Reke playing so well.
kennadog
Dog On It!
These last three games have been so much fun to watch. I go to bed tonight as one happy Kings' fan. 
No the defense isn't anything to brag about, but this is a developing, young team. No surprise that offense improves before defense. Hopefully as the players grow and gel as a team, they will realize they must play better defense.....just like the Divacs/Webber led team realized it, eventually. [No, I'm not comparing the two teams...just talking about general progression.]
No the defense isn't anything to brag about, but this is a developing, young team. No surprise that offense improves before defense. Hopefully as the players grow and gel as a team, they will realize they must play better defense.....just like the Divacs/Webber led team realized it, eventually. [No, I'm not comparing the two teams...just talking about general progression.]
jalfa
Starter
I actually thought the defense was quite okay tonight. the Grizz did shoot 47%, but the Kings did really get into the passing lanes well (11 steals) and won the rebounding battle. giving up 62 assists was bad (wtf, nba.com?) but really, a lot of those points scored against was because of the high pace. on a night where the Kings scored as many points as they did off turnovers, I'm not too mad about the d (even though at some point they'll have to stop dribble penetration better).
as for the poll question: answered with three. Cousins (A- for stupidly fouling out in a stupid way at the most stupid of times), Thornton (no questions asked really) and Isaiah (clutch in the end, had the offense humming whenever he was on the court). Evans and Thompson just miss the cut, although looking at the numbers, Thompson probably deserves one, too.
as for the poll question: answered with three. Cousins (A- for stupidly fouling out in a stupid way at the most stupid of times), Thornton (no questions asked really) and Isaiah (clutch in the end, had the offense humming whenever he was on the court). Evans and Thompson just miss the cut, although looking at the numbers, Thompson probably deserves one, too.
Siranthony
Starter
Yes I think Smart does deserve some credit. Things really look better the last three games.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Only a Sacramento Kings fan will ever be overheard saying with a straight face, well, we only gave up 110 on 48% shooting...not bad!
jalfa
Starter
Only a Sacramento Kings fan will ever be overheard saying with a straight face, well, we only gave up 110 on 48% shooting...not bad!
let's say not putrid, meaning a step up from their usual selves. eleven steals really isn't bad as long as you don't get burned by gambling (which I can't remember happening all that much), but yeah, staying in front of their man isn't a strength of this team. at least the zone worked to some degree.
Whoa I don't think anyone is criticizing the Thornton of the last 3 games. This is the Thornton we saw last year - hustling, moving the ball, going in for rebounds etc, and not just settling for shot after shot.
If Isaiah continues to play like he did in this game I'm perfectly confident that he can be a starter for us. His focus was setting guys up and not looking for his own shot. He'd have a pretty damn good game if he made his open 3s that he usually makes.
Donte and even Outlaw played well early too, but sadly didn't get minutes in the 2nd half. At least we won! I'm hoping that Donte can finally get more consistent minutes, but he'll have to keep up his level of play, rebound more and stop taking so many 3s (which he's already done these few games).
Tyreke - Deserves an A for being a good team mate, but objectively speaking didn't really have a very good game. Looked like he lacked a bit of energy out there, and perhaps that has a little to do with the ankle. Also I think he's still getting used to playing off the ball more, and he needs to learn to find a way to be aggressive without the ball as opposed to just standing around. I don't blame him though, it's a very very new role for him and he's pretty much learning on the fly. Fed the big men repeatedly and looked to try to play within the offense, not holding on to the ball for too long etc. He was giving it up a good number of times with 13-15 seconds left on the shotclock.
All in all, very happy that we got another win and continued our good offensive play. Hope the defense can pick up too.
One thing that makes me a little sad is the fact that good teams have tight 8-9 man rotations, and as a fan I really wish that there were enough minutes for all our guys to play (except perhaps Salmons and Outlaw before they started playing better). It's sad to see Jimmer not getting minutes, Cisco who's our longest tenured King not getting any PT, Donte not get PT after playing well etc, but at the end of the day the aim is to win games.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Best offense I've seen since the Adelman era. It's unselfish basketball. Smart gets a lot of the credit, as do the players. In particular, Tyreke Evans should get major kudos for making the suggestion to come off the bench. He gets a lot of points in my book for that. Shows some maturity and selflesness, which is manifested on the floor. It looks like guys are now happy to make plays for others, not just themselves. Will they revert to old bad habits? Possibly. But now they have the taste of winning, and they know how they got there, not by hunting for their own shots, but passing the ball for their teamates' shots. As far as the defense is concerned, I'm not worried about it right now. That's going to take time. Hopefully, next year we'll see improvement in that department. If we do, then the playoffs are a certainty in my mind.
PS I would only hand out one A for this game - Thornton. That's the thing that struck me about this game - there were a lot of guys that didn't play A ball, but still played selfless ball, and that's why they won. If you play like a team, you don't have to have A games from a lot of guys to win.
PS I would only hand out one A for this game - Thornton. That's the thing that struck me about this game - there were a lot of guys that didn't play A ball, but still played selfless ball, and that's why they won. If you play like a team, you don't have to have A games from a lot of guys to win.
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MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
While I do agree that Jimmer doesn't NEED to be traded, I think it would be the smart thing to do this offseason.
Something is going to have to give. we have 3 young guards who all deserve 30 minutes a night (Evans, Thornton, Thomas). That isn't changing unless we trade one of those three, and that's not something I want to do. And it's not just like we have 3 better guards on the roster, some of them are younger then Jimmer, all of them are signed here long-term, and they are all much better than him.
He is an asset with no place here and we still have a lot of wholes in our roster. Do the math.
Something is going to have to give. we have 3 young guards who all deserve 30 minutes a night (Evans, Thornton, Thomas). That isn't changing unless we trade one of those three, and that's not something I want to do. And it's not just like we have 3 better guards on the roster, some of them are younger then Jimmer, all of them are signed here long-term, and they are all much better than him.
He is an asset with no place here and we still have a lot of wholes in our roster. Do the math.
Exactly!
True. But it's not him that won the game. It was really, really team play that won the game. When it's going good many of our guys can score a lot.
I agree that we don't have to deal with the "Jimmer issue" right now or soon. These things take care of themselves for good or for bad. Before we won 3 in a row we lost 3 in a row. Will we lose out the rest of the season? Probably not. So go a day at a time. Maybe a bigger problem is IT, who is not getting paid near as much as Jimmer and deserves more, a lot more. But not right now. All things will settle into place.
Section 101
All-Star
On single game the only point difference that matters is having more than your opponent. If your talking about a bunch of games or over a season then its better to be 108,103 than 97,94. That's +2 in point differential. The difference between +5 and +3 has historically been being a top 4 seed vs bottom 4 seed.
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The Hammer
All-Star
Yes, but I'll correct myself, because I was just pulling that number out of my ***.
It's actually guaranteed to be a 4.7 million dollar ****, with the likely option (team) for it to magically become a 10.7 million dollar ****.
2011 2,308,320 - - 2,308,320
2012 2,481,480 - - 2,481,480
2013 2,654,640 - - 2,654,640
2014 3,384,666 - - 3,384,666
2015 4,609,915 - - 4,609,915 (qualifying offer)
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KingsFanatic
Bench
Pehaps, but without Thorton's last night, they would not have won the game.......He had lots of assists(even made the nba.com page, highlighting his assists). Not to mention his 30 points....
He can't get an assist if it isn't team play. I truly believe, as good as Thornton was last night and lately, that it is team play that's doing it for the Kings, and coincidentally for Thornton. This should be mentioned because Thornton is not always our best team player. He is improving in all ways and I am hopeful.
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