[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 2/21/2015

Who was the most turrible King of them all?

  • Rudy

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Jason

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • DeMarcus

    Votes: 13 36.1%
  • Ben

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • DWill

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Miller

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Landry

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Stauskas

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1

You know the problem with a little hope? It can be crushed again. Its like being caught in a long term abusive relationship with a significant other. You get numb after a while. But start something new up, only to have it fall apart too, and it hurts again.

So anyway, having lost my stomach for our sadsackness a good month ago at least, fact is I quit watching this one with about 3min to go in the 3rd. Did not get to see Carl Landry's minutes. Did not care. Did not get to see David Stockton's NBA career. Cared a little more there, but really. Mercifully was trying to ignore us saving Doc's job by making Austin Rivers look like an NBAer, or Ben's continuing to look lost, or Ryan Hollins, or Nik lowering his 32% season long shooting %, or Omri's career high 17 rebounds.

Couldn't do it. Not after we completely collapsed to the tune of getting outscored 73-36 in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. 73-36. And the collapse actually went on a little longer than that. We were up at least 29-19 in the first before it began, so that means a bare minimum 78-36 run. I almost never quit on these guys, but that was enough. I was more embarrassed, against this opponent, than at any point in Corbin's disastrous tenure. At least there we had an excuse. I was simpatico with the players' dismay. Here though...well, maybe George is playing too fast. Maybe we hit a wall. Best to just call it one of those games, pretend it never happened, and walk away.


Boxscore

Stats: 32min 15pts (4-13, 2-4, 5-7) 6reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Gay ( D ) -- the first of many players hwo made the argument that despite last game being the first in a week, this Clippers result turned ugly in part due to fatigue. We actually started this oen off hot, and Rudy was at the center of that. Very energetic and active at both ends, blocked Hawes inside, shoved Barnes out of the way for a dunk on the break, think he had 10 of his 15 points by the end of the first quarter. But as it was with the team as a whole, things turned dramatically therafter. Not only did Rudy disappear, he flat got his ass kicked by Barnes and probbaly had to sign a waiver saying he liked it. to add injury to insult, he also banged knees repeatedly with Big Baby Davis, and that's a big knee. Result was that after the hot start Barnes dominated him, blocked his shots, elbowed him, forced him into terrible shots, and Rudy went by by, as did we. --Brick

Lily Aldridge

Stats: 21min 0pts (0-4, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( D ) -- seemed the right move to have Jaosn start this one after Landry sucked last time, and against Spoencer Hawes filling in in the twin tower set for Blake Griffin. Unfortunately the end result was Jason went right back to the big ball of nothing he's been for months alongside Cousins. Like much of our team, he was aggressive for almsot a full quarter, early on tried to force a post move over Hawes, didn't make it, tried to get the offensive board in a crowd, and ended up getting thrown around by Barnes as the refs all watchd hot girls in the stands. And for the first 6 minutes was really much more aggressive trying to block shots on defense, got 1, challenged a couple of others, and made a big effort on acouple of boards. Then Cuz went to the bench, Jason shiofted over to center, and we promptly completely lose bowel control . Jason went from invisible, to confused on seemingly every rotation, to throwing terrible passes 3 feet over the head of his teammates. The Clippers exploded, and Jason never did a damn thing for the entire rest of the game. --Brick

Vanessa Marcil

Stats: 25min 21pts (6-19, 0-0, 9-13) 4reb 2stl 2stl 2blk 5TO
Cousins ( D ) -- simply did not have it physically from the beginning of this one, and against of course a physical freak of an opponent who it must be said looked remarkably bouncy form the beginning. I think even fresh Cuz, or fresh anyone, would have struggled against the all out physical assault waged by Jordan in this one, but that's not who was out there. Cuz got dominated on the glass and repeatedly let Jordan establish such deep post position that the end result was a given. There actually was effort. It wasn't a low effort defensive effort, he moved, he came up with several good steals and help blocks. But when it came time to push and shove, Jordan pushed, and Boogie gave way. And on the other end the lack of legs was even more evident, as he made moves, got around the rim, and time after time the layups and rolls rolled off. Oddly, the one thing that was falling were his jumpers, although eh seemed to be taking them with a weird low jump almost falling into them motion. Still, he knocked down his first three Js, and they were the only three things that fell until late in the half when he finally scored on a great reverse spin on the baseline. Was again having temper problems, and now has 2 techs in 2 games under Karl. Not a great sign, nor is Karl's history with colorful characters from Gary Payton to Kenyon Martin to Allen Iverson any particular sign he's going to be a Boogie whisperer the way Malone was. Came out in the 3rd angry and extremely aggressive, and for a while he was at least returning things personally, slamming inside and getting the entire Clippers frontline in foul trouble. But there was a lot of chatter, cheapshots, flops, and he eventually picked up his 4th on one of those "saavy" plays by CP3, and while we had stabilized the scoreboard behind him, we had made up no ground. As soon as he left we collapsed in a big way again, and there was just no point in ever bringing him back down 30. Gets a little grade for the 3rd quarter foul drawing routine, which led him even on a bad night to notch 21pts in 25min. But in general got his butt physically kicked by Jordan, and didn't have full control of his temper again. --Brick

Corinne Bishop -- with her dad (she's the one on the left)

Stats: 29min 9pts (4-12, 1-6, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
McLemore ( F ) -- Ben needs a bounceback performance in the worst way. After getting lit up by a red hot Avery Bradley, he got burned by the combo of JJ Redick and Jamal Crawford to the tune of a combined 47 points. Ben wasn't on the floor for all of those points, but he did see his cover pour in about 35 points in his 28 minutes of play. I don't know how much of that to put on Ben - if there is one thing that Doc Rivers teams know how to do, it is set an infinite number of screens to free up their Ray Allens for open jumpers. The Kings tried the novel approach of just letting Redick take those jumpers instead of rotating out to cover off the screens. Redick did his damage early, and when Crawford got hot in the late third, Karl pulled Ben off the floor to let Casspi and Stauskas take the brunt of the blow. The real problem for Ben is that his jumper has been off for about two months now. Tonight he wasn't just missing open jumpers, he was also dribbling into off-balance contested takes with lots of shot clock left. He continues to be hesitant to go into shot blockers inside to draw contact and get to the free throw line. Until he can figure out how to use that athleticism to get fouled on occasion, he is going to continue to struggle to score efficiently. --Hadlowe

Priyanka Chopra

Stats: 23min 10pts (4-7, 0-1, 2-2) 7reb 5ast 1stl 2blk 1TO
McCallum ( B ) -- Ray actually had one of the best nights for our team tonight. I mean, the official scorer down in L.A. must have had cataracts or something, as the box score totals did not remotely match my own tallies. Ray was credited for two rebounds, two blocks, three assists, and one turnover that I don't think actually happened. I mean, that's a lot of hallucinating going on there. So let's call it what it was - a five rebound, two assist night. Ray set up five other shots that his teammates couldn't knock down (that would have resulted in "legitimate" assists) and his 4-7 shooting was in fact a real 4-7 shooting. And best of all, he didn't let Chris Paul get off. Paul finished with 10 points, but he only scored 4 on Ray (on three shots), and overall he allowed just those four points on seven total shots, which is really nice. The rest of the team didn't show up for him, but that's not Ray's fault. Solid game. --Capt.

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 19min 7pts (1-5, 0-2, 5-6) 4reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( DNG ) -- can only partially grade this. Got in for JT in the mid first, got a runout and to the line on a hard Hawes foul during those minutes while we still were in the game. Then things fell apart epically, and he was worthless. Obviously got a lot of garbagetime minutes, which is a problem since I refused to watch the garbagetime. --Brick

Stats: 28min 11pts (4-8, 1-2, 2-3) 17reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Casspi ( DNG ) -- a shoutout to Omri tonight for a career high 17 rebound game, giving him 29rebs in 24 hours for new Coach Karl. Yo Landry, THAT is how you impress the new coach. Now unfortunately in his first half stint that was most of what he was doing. He was wild with the ball, ineffectual offensively, and part of the bench unit which got crushed in the late first/early 2nd. He played a strong 2nd half, but again, as with the rest of these guys, I wasn;t going to watch him play a strong second half with us down 30 as Spencer Hawes sat smirking on the bench. Just wasn't. --Brick

Stats: 22min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Miller ( F ) -- After Miller's great and steady performance last night, there was basically nothing doing tonight. In the boxscore he was credited with three assists, but let's be perfectly honest with ourselves. He had one. He did manage to nail D-Will on a nice cut down the lane when the game was already over, and that was the grand total of Miller's actual assists. The official scorer gave him one when he passed to McCallum, who held the ball for a bit, took an escape dribble over to the right then spun left for a jumper in the first, and gave him another one on a play in the fourth that I didn't even notice. The point is, Miller just did not manage to set up our offense in the way that we needed him to. He was -27 on the night, and it felt like it. His defense was as questionable as you would expect it to be, and maybe he had a little side deal going with Doc, because he slumped off Austin Rivers and let him hit three open treys in short order in the fourth. Sure, the game was over, but the point stands. He allowed 22 points on 15 shots, and outside of one good contest on the fast break, it's not like he was putting any pressure on the ball. Hate to say it, but Ramon could have done what Miller did out there tonight. --Capt.

Gigi Hadid

Stats: 13min 9pts (2-7, 0-0, 5-6) 6reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Landry ( DNG ) -- I went on strike before the bulk of his work. --Brick

Stats: 14min 6pts (1-4, 0-0, 4-4) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Stauskas ( D ) -- Karl pulled the plug late in the third and Nik had the misfortune of being tasked with guarding a red hot Jamal Crawford. I thought he contested the jumpers well and denied Crawford a lane most of the time, but he got burned twice off the dribble by my count. He also continues to miss his wide open jumpers, his sole make coming off the dribble from about a foot inside the three point line. He chipped in two turnovers by dribbling into traffic. Not a great night for any of the shooting guards in Kings uniforms. --Hadlowe

Ashley Benson

Stats: 7min 1pts (0-2, 0-1, 1-1) 2reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Stockton ( INC ) -- It was really nice of our guys to get blown out so David Stockton could say he's an official NBA player. Just one minute and 47 seconds into his NBA career, David Stockton racked up the unlikely assist (to Omri for three) and was momentarily at a stellar 20.2 Ast/36, absolutely obliterating his father's NBA-record 11.9 Ast/36 for his career (minimum 13 minutes played...yes, nobody who has played 13 minutes has a better Ast/36 than John). Alas, it was not to last and now that he's down at 5.4 Ast/36 he'll never come close to his dad's record again. So it goes. --Capt.

Sara Sampaio

Stats: 7min 6pts (2-2, 0-0, 2-4) 2reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Hollins ( DNG ) -- I went on strike before ALL of his work. --Brick
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#4
So anyway, having lost my stomach for our sadsackness a good month ago at least, fact is I quit watching this one with about 3min to go in the 3rd. Did not get to see Carl Landry's minutes. Did not care. Did not get to see David Stockton's NBA career. Cared a little more there, but really. Mercifully was trying to ignore us saving Doc's job by making Austin Rivers look like an NBAer, or Ben's continuing to look lost, or Ryan Hollins, or Nik lowering his 32% season long shooting %, or Omri's career high 17 rebounds.


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#7
I don't know, it's not as bad as it looks.
back to back games even took the Raptors out of balance (killing the Hawks and get blown out by the Rockets).

The Clips are just hungrier and more willing to win because of their playoff position, it's a team Kings already conquered this season.

It's going to happen more this season, I'm just hoping we'll see our young guns develop throughout this season, while not losing the games we should win.

I believe.
 
#10
Didn't get to see the game tonight but still.. overreaction much? 2nd of a back to back. New coach/new system. Miller said he was playing on fumes yesterday. very little practice time.. I don't think any of us expected instant perfection.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#12
Didn't get to see the game tonight but still.. overreaction much? 2nd of a back to back. New coach/new system. Miller said he was playing on fumes yesterday. very little practice time.. I don't think any of us expected instant perfection.
It shouldn't doom the whole enterprise and because it is all new might have no spillover at all. but not overreaction to one of the worse losses of the year. We got spanked, punked, embarrassed, and sent home with our tails between our legs against a hated rival with multiple punks on it. If this was prison they would have just tossed some soap on the floor and made us pick it up.
 
#13
Worst part of the game for me was letting Rivers score as much as he did. Seriously, Austin Rivers is a terrible player and we let him drop 20+ on us.

I maintain my stand that Cousins is just bad (relative to his other skills) at finishing around the rim. His post game needs a lot of work - just look at his FG% around the rim. It's terrible when you consider how skilled he is. You could argue that he's getting hacked and not getting foul calls or whatever, but the point is he's not converting a lot of shots even when he's got decent position. Right now he appears to be far more effective using his quickness off the dribble to get to the rim. Even when he backs guys down he seems to lack to the lift to score over them with a hook - when he does it's typically off a spin move or turn around jumper.

Spacing was atrocious this game. We need to get that sorted out.
 
#14
Demarcus' utter lack of any lift when he drives to the basket is beginning to be a real concern in his game.
He's gotten addicted to finger-rolls and (reverse) layups when he should use the body to get his feet under him and dunk it, forcing the issue instead of bailing out the defense by playing finesse at the end of the play.

His lack of self control and losing his cool that he demonstrated under Malone will keep him from becoming a superstar in this league, unless he can get it back.
 
#15
Ball sticked again, couldn't finish through contact, played terrible pick&roll defense as usual, beaten by the jumpshot as usual.

But to be honest and with all due respect to the Clippers - from my point of view they are the most disgusting team of the league. Cousins got hacked all night, while Reddick, Crawford, Hawes, Barnes and Paul flopped as usual. I simply don't understand how they get away with it every time.
 
#17
Quick, everyone pile on Boogie.

Two years ago it was he'll never be an all star. Now it's he'll never be a superstar?

Once he gets there, it's what? He'll never be mvp?

The whole team had a bad game. Oh, and demarcus had 21 points in 25 mins. If thats as bad as it gets, I'll take it.

The Ts are coming fast and furious at this point. Be concerned about that, not his skill set. Cause you'll never find another big able to do what he does.
 
#18
Demarcus' utter lack of any lift when he drives to the basket is beginning to be a real concern in his game.
He's gotten addicted to finger-rolls and (reverse) layups when he should use the body to get his feet under him and dunk it, forcing the issue instead of bailing out the defense by playing finesse at the end of the play.

His lack of self control and losing his cool that he demonstrated under Malone will keep him from becoming a superstar in this league, unless he can get it back.
Cousins is a superstar already - just take a look, how teams gameplan versus him. Every team goes into the game against us with the single purpose to stop Cousins. There is simply no doubt our big fella is getting the superstar treatment from opponents every night. And if we refer to winning - no superstar was able to carry his team all alone.

His lack of lift is no problem. If finishing around the basket was about lift, players like Randolph or Duncan would never been able to play in the NBA. Finishing is mainly about patience, hands, fakes and strength. And Cousins has lost his patience from the beginning of the season. He is constantly trying way too much, cause he is fed up with getting blown out, mostly via jumpshots and pick&rolls. It's up to Karl to tame him and refocus him again and finally it's up to the refs to adjust their calls. It's a bad joke how Cousins is treated by the refs. He is supposed to finish through contact every time. The moment he attacks with a live dribble, there is always a second defender slapping on his arms, pushing, jumping onto his back or getting him off balance. Just compare this to the way the refs call a SG like Harden for example. The moment Harden drives he gets the call for even the slightest touch.
When the refs want the big man to be physical - so be it. But you can't refuse to give DMC calls on offense and punish him for touch fouls on defense. I would be fine with it, if they let the big guys battle it out. But the way they called versus the Clippers, it's clearly to Cousins disadvantage and I understand his frustration.

What Cousins needs to work on in the offseason in my opinion is a running hook shot, like Gasol, Horford and Aldridge use it and a reliable jumphook. I think he already has the jumphook in his arsenal, but he is not using him well and frequently, cause he has so many ways to attack the defense.
 
#19
I don't think Cousins has ever been the same since coming back from his illness. He's missing from point blank range a lot of the time on offense. I don't think he's 100% yet. That's the only thing I can think of. Of course Cousins isn't a perfect offensive player, but I've seen him with that baby hook before years before. This is the 1st year where I've never seen him do it.. I don't like how Cuz plays all the way out in the perimeter. Cuz will be fine guys

This was a pretty bad all around game. Guys got too selfish with the ball and everyone wanted a piece of hero ball. Ben is so inconsistent, but I actually think if everyone was as passive as Ben, we'd have like 30asts a night. Ball movement is much needed on this team
 
#21
After the first quarter the Kings shot the ball horribly. 34% shooting is going to net a loss most nights in the NBA. Conversely after the first quarter the Clips shot the ball very well. 48% for the game, 5 guys in double figures, 3 guys with 20+ and Chris Paul just coasted.

As for the style of play the Refs call 29 fouls on the Clips compared to 17 for the Kings. The Clip attempted 35 threes, converting on 14. Which does not sound all that hot until you notice it is 40% as a TEAM. Suddenly that looks pretty good. Most of the Clips threes were set up by picks.

I am going to start watching how the picks are set more closely. I can't recall 1 illegal pick called last night. I did see a lot of grabbing of defenders by the player setting the pick that went uncalled. Everyone's eyes follow the offensive player with the ball so if the defender is held it is often not seen.

But all that said the Kings appeared tired and a step slow. Cousins has not completely recovered his stamina from the bout with Spinal Meningitis. Andre Miller cannot play that many minutes on back to back after taking a red eye cross country flight.

The Kings and Karl have work to do:)
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#22
I'm not concerned with this game at all. They were tired, and as Karl said, they have a lot of bad habits, including "going fishing" for their shots when things aren't going well. It's going to take time to correct those habits. Just putting in a new system isn't going to qualify them for immediate success. The key, more than anything, is for the team to consistently work hard to get better for the rest of the season. If they do that, and don't get discouraged, everything is going to be just fine.
 
#23
Quick, everyone pile on Boogie.

Two years ago it was he'll never be an all star. Now it's he'll never be a superstar?

Once he gets there, it's what? He'll never be mvp?

The whole team had a bad game. Oh, and demarcus had 21 points in 25 mins. If thats as bad as it gets, I'll take it.

The Ts are coming fast and furious at this point. Be concerned about that, not his skill set. Cause you'll never find another big able to do what he does.
If this was in response to what I said you're completely off. I'm not blaming Boogie for the loss. Even superstars have holes in their games. Heck, Kobe to this day still has a reputation for not passing the ball. LeBron, Wade and Kobe were criticized for their lack of outside shooting early in their careers. That didn't make them not superstar-level players. But they became much better players once they developed their jumpshots. Same with Cousins. He can easily put up 20 points, but he's also taking a lot of shots to do so and for a large part of this season racking up lots of turnovers too. The eye test and the stats show that Cousins has been converting at a subpar % on attempts off of post ups. The other "skilled" bigs in the league, and even some scrubby ones all have a hook shot that they use in the paint to get the ball over defenders. Duncan uses it, Shaq used it, the Gasols use it, Nurkic uses it, Jared Sullinger uses it, Vucevic uses it, Dwight Howard uses it, Roy Hibbert uses it. DeMarcus Cousins does not use it on a regular basis. Of all those guys he's by far the most skilled and mobile, and maybe that's why he's never had to work on that shot, much in the same way Tyreke Evans never had to learn to shoot.

There's no point in me going on and on about the refs not giving Cousins the calls he deserves. He's already near the top of the league in free throws attempted.

I don't understand this mindset that just because Player A is our best player he's supposed to have a perfect game with no holes and never deserving of fair criticism. It's always the star players' games that get analysed and broken down. No one gives two cents about all the holes in Nik Stauskus' game. There are so many that it's not worth mentioning. Or in the case of someone like Derrick Williams it's pretty clear that he's not going to improve very much in those holes, and at this point it's probably not worthwhile to wait. But Cousins is still young and still has lots of room to improve!
 
#24
After the first quarter the Kings shot the ball horribly. 34% shooting is going to net a loss most nights in the NBA. Conversely after the first quarter the Clips shot the ball very well. 48% for the game, 5 guys in double figures, 3 guys with 20+ and Chris Paul just coasted.

As for the style of play the Refs call 29 fouls on the Clips compared to 17 for the Kings. The Clip attempted 35 threes, converting on 14. Which does not sound all that hot until you notice it is 40% as a TEAM. Suddenly that looks pretty good. Most of the Clips threes were set up by picks.

I am going to start watching how the picks are set more closely. I can't recall 1 illegal pick called last night. I did see a lot of grabbing of defenders by the player setting the pick that went uncalled. Everyone's eyes follow the offensive player with the ball so if the defender is held it is often not seen.

But all that said the Kings appeared tired and a step slow. Cousins has not completely recovered his stamina from the bout with Spinal Meningitis. Andre Miller cannot play that many minutes on back to back after taking a red eye cross country flight.

The Kings and Karl have work to do:)
Said it yesterday, but nobody listen. :(
 
#26
If this was in response to what I said you're completely off. I'm not blaming Boogie for the loss. Even superstars have holes in their games. Heck, Kobe to this day still has a reputation for not passing the ball. LeBron, Wade and Kobe were criticized for their lack of outside shooting early in their careers. That didn't make them not superstar-level players. But they became much better players once they developed their jumpshots. Same with Cousins. He can easily put up 20 points, but he's also taking a lot of shots to do so and for a large part of this season racking up lots of turnovers too. The eye test and the stats show that Cousins has been converting at a subpar % on attempts off of post ups. The other "skilled" bigs in the league, and even some scrubby ones all have a hook shot that they use in the paint to get the ball over defenders. Duncan uses it, Shaq used it, the Gasols use it, Nurkic uses it, Jared Sullinger uses it, Vucevic uses it, Dwight Howard uses it, Roy Hibbert uses it. DeMarcus Cousins does not use it on a regular basis. Of all those guys he's by far the most skilled and mobile, and maybe that's why he's never had to work on that shot, much in the same way Tyreke Evans never had to learn to shoot.

There's no point in me going on and on about the refs not giving Cousins the calls he deserves. He's already near the top of the league in free throws attempted.

I don't understand this mindset that just because Player A is our best player he's supposed to have a perfect game with no holes and never deserving of fair criticism. It's always the star players' games that get analysed and broken down. No one gives two cents about all the holes in Nik Stauskus' game. There are so many that it's not worth mentioning. Or in the case of someone like Derrick Williams it's pretty clear that he's not going to improve very much in those holes, and at this point it's probably not worthwhile to wait. But Cousins is still young and still has lots of room to improve!
Part of the problem with both the TO's and missed close shots are that he's getting fouled every time he touches the ball, usually multiple times. He exaggerates the contact (flops, if you want to call it that), and misses the shot, coughs up the ball. That probably accounts for 20% of the turnovers and a bunch of missed shots as well. He's looking for a call that every other star gets. Breathe on harden, it's a foul. If Boogie got calls like that he'd be at the line 20 times a game.

Under malone, Boogie was smiling when no calls happened. Now he's scowling and fighting the officials and everyone else. It's actually gotten worse under Karl, and that's a real problem.

He's trying to do too much, because on this team he has to.

He can play better. Clearly.

But again, he's not the problem. Yet that's all anyone is talking about for the most part. I just find that odd. And it's always after losses. I mean, he was 12-18 the game before. Seemed to finish fine at the rim then. In the all star game as well.

We have so many players that have basically no game whatsoever. And no one talks about them, which you alluded to.

If you wanted to pick players for this style, and wanted to find the most ill fitting guys possible for a quick passing team, Dwill and Landry would be just about the worst. I'm serious about that. The absolute worst. Neither can pass at all. Landry is a fish out of water under Karl. Why on earth were Landry and Dwill guys they targeted? I just don't get it at all. Two more years of Landry? Christ. Honestly, Andre miller might be the slowest player in the NBA. Crafty vet and all, but he's probably a guy who will maybe give you a solid 20 mins every third or fourth game at this point. If you're lucky. First impressions are great and all, but, last night's Andre miller is, at this point in his career, more typical. Wizards fans weren't exactly upset he's gone.

They need DC badly. Mccallum/mclemore/Miller is one of the worst guard rotations in the NBA. DC is the only average or above guard on the roster.

Good luck George.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#27
I'm not concerned with this game at all. They were tired, and as Karl said, they have a lot of bad habits, including "going fishing" for their shots when things aren't going well. It's going to take time to correct those habits. Just putting in a new system isn't going to qualify them for immediate success. The key, more than anything, is for the team to consistently work hard to get better for the rest of the season. If they do that, and don't get discouraged, everything is going to be just fine.
Immediate gratification from one win proves to be a false hope for so many fans as we're all thirsty for a turn-around and more wins. But as Kingster says, it will take time to correct old habits, probably half or more of remaining games. One big thing is to get Cuz off of shooting to get fouled (which don't get called) instead of shooting to score.

I too as Brick turned off game with 2 min left in third. Snuck a peak mid-forth but decision to watch movie proved right. At least RayMac looks better each game and Casspri the animal sucking up 17 rebs and contributing 11 pts makes it easy to forget Evans. This short homestand should see some improvements, nothing major, but some small steps.
 
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#29
I see the "Demarcus is overrated" crowd is out in full force tonight.
And the "Demarcus is the best big man in a generation" crowd is out in full force, as well.

Look, my posting history is bulletproof positive of how big a DMC fan I am. I've been as supportive as Brick has been to him for five years.

But there reaches a time when a player runs out of excuses and has to get better to get to the next level, and now is it.
Last night was an utter embarrassment of behavior - and if it was an isolated case, it'd be no problem.
Demarcus is one of the only reasons I've watched the Kings the past 5 years. I've carefully observed his behavior.
He has forgotten the composure he learned over the summer with FIBA. He is back to complaining, except it is the worst its ever been, because he doesn't get techs called on him as fast anymore and he gets more calls, but his petulant mindset is not allowing him to see the change.
He is back to the whiny mentality that thinks every call and non-call is a slight to him personally, and that will cripple his ability to dominate in this league. It takes more than physical skill to be a superstar in the NBA.

Y'all seem to be counting your "Best Center of His Generation" before he's hatched.
He's BARELY had one All-Star appearance, and still wouldn't have gotten that "recognition" if there weren't so many injuries. Same with his FIBA opportunity.

The jury is still out on whether Demarcus will put all his phenomenal physical skills together and become the greatest center of his generation - it is NOT a foregone conclusion, and is not accomplished in one regular season.
He will have to prove it in meaningful games leading up to, and including, the playoffs.
Last night, the Clippers played like it was a playoff game. The easiest playoff game they'd ever have.
And Demarcus melted down from the pressure.
He was "Bad Demarcus" just like when Rudy Gay is "Bad Rudy", just like when IT went "Heroball IT".
Each of them has crippling behaviors that will stop them from realizing their potential in the NBA.

To not agree with that is delusional.

I don't think anyone's saying Demarcus can't get there - he proved earlier this season he cold.
But this is a grading thread, about games, and last night Demarcus proved he has regressed horribly from enduring this hell of a season, and it makes me very concerned because there's no reason to believe (so far) that he can get that mental approach back.
Remember what has happened to this fragile-minded player - he had his organization stab him in the back. They removed the only coach he has identified with and who fought for each other.

If this keeps up, and Boogie is unable to re-acquire his mental maturity, he will never be the dominant player we want to see out there for the Kings -
he may very well have to move on to another team to do so.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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And the "Demarcus is the best big man in a generation" crowd is out in full force, as well.

Look, my posting history is bulletproof positive of how big a DMC fan I am. I've been as supportive as Brick has been to him for five years.

But there reaches a time when a player runs out of excuses and has to get better to get to the next level, and now is it.
Last night was an utter embarrassment of behavior - and if it was an isolated case, it'd be no problem.
Demarcus is one of the only reasons I've watched the Kings the past 5 years. I've carefully observed his behavior.
He has forgotten the composure he learned over the summer with FIBA. He is back to complaining, except it is the worst its ever been, because he doesn't get techs called on him as fast anymore and he gets more calls, but his petulant mindset is not allowing him to see the change.
He is back to the whiny mentality that thinks every call and non-call is a slight to him personally, and that will cripple his ability to dominate in this league. It takes more than physical skill to be a superstar in the NBA.

Y'all seem to be counting your "Best Center of His Generation" before he's hatched.
He's BARELY had one All-Star appearance, and still wouldn't have gotten that "recognition" if there weren't so many injuries. Same with his FIBA opportunity.

The jury is still out on whether Demarcus will put all his phenomenal physical skills together and become the greatest center of his generation - it is NOT a foregone conclusion, and is not accomplished in one regular season.
He will have to prove it in meaningful games leading up to, and including, the playoffs.
Last night, the Clippers played like it was a playoff game. The easiest playoff game they'd ever have.
And Demarcus melted down from the pressure.
He was "Bad Demarcus" just like when Rudy Gay is "Bad Rudy", just like when IT went "Heroball IT".
Each of them has crippling behaviors that will stop them from realizing their potential in the NBA.

To not agree with that is delusional.

I don't think anyone's saying Demarcus can't get there - he proved earlier this season he cold.
But this is a grading thread, about games, and last night Demarcus proved he has regressed horribly from enduring this hell of a season, and it makes me very concerned because there's no reason to believe (so far) that he can get that mental approach back.
Remember what has happened to this fragile-minded player - he had his organization stab him in the back. They removed the only coach he has identified with and who fought for each other.

If this keeps up, and Boogie is unable to re-acquire his mental maturity, he will never be the dominant player we want to see out there for the Kings -
he may very well have to move on to another team to do so.

The only next level is Top 10 all time. That's it.

If he does absolutely nothing but settle in under Karl and start duplicating 24-12 seasons for a decade he'll go down as one of the 10 or 15 best centers of all time.

I was going to start a thread on this anyway, so I'll give a preview.

On Top 10 All Time List
Wilt
Kareem
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
On Top 20 All Time List
Moses
Admiral
On Top 30 All Time List
Ewing
Others HOFs
Mikan
Cousins <--------healthy Cousins, playing at this level for full prime.
Reed
Mourning
Bellamy
Dwight
Thurmond
McAdoo
Cowens
Gilmore
Walton
Arvydas
Yao
Sampson
Mutumbo
Unseld
Daugherty

Whatever on the exact order, I was just throwing them up there superstars to great roleplayers, with short career guys pushed down the list. Mikan is impossible to rate.
 
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