[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 2/21/2015

Who was the most turrible King of them all?

  • Rudy

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Jason

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • DeMarcus

    Votes: 13 36.1%
  • Ben

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • DWill

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Miller

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Landry

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Stauskas

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
For Cousins to ever reach that, he has to be more of an efficient scorer. That's a need from him. Centers aren't supposed to be shooting .470 from the floor...that number is absurd. I think Cousins really needs to pick it up on his fg%. It's pretty bad when guys like Curry and CP3 have better career fg% than you.

Another thing that could argue Cousins against being a top 15 center of all time is the fact that Cousins plays in an era where the game isn't focused on big men.


Even if Cousins plays at the current level he's at for the next 6-8 years, it still would not be enough to justify a top 10 center. Especially if his defense stays the way it is and his efficiency doesn't increase. Arguments can be he gets doubled and tripled team, but isn't that the argument for why he's so dominant? The fact that he can fight and bull it out?

I think if Cuz improves his fg% and defense, he's a top 15 center. As long as he takes his team to the playoffs at least twice.
That's like saying that Unforgiven wasn't a good movie because no one else was making Westerns anymore.
 
Cousins has a long list of great skills like good hands, mobility, strength, touch, power and an outside shot. He has functioned as a point center and shown great passing skills for a big man. His rebounding is really good. His defense has improved a lot. He continues to get better and more dominant.

There are really only four things that need improvement:
1. Handling the ball less and reducing turnovers especially at high speed.
2. Not forcing the ball into double teams.
3. Maintaining his composure when he doesn't get fouls called. If I were coaching a team against Cousins I would have them bang on him, grab his jersey, hook him, and anything else to bother him, because he gets so emotional about physical play. He is a big strong man and needs to act like it.
4. Playing better defense against guys like Tyler Zeller that run the floor and move without the ball, especially backdoor plays.
 
His defense is elite now, right? Look at the numbers. He's well above average defensively. He anchors a top ten defense when he's on the floor, last I checked.

He was 5th in PER last season, and he's 7th right now.

How much more efficient can he get?
I clearly directed this towards his shooting..
 
Aren't a high percentage of Cousins turnovers out of situations where he trys to generate contact to draw the foul and doesn't get the call?
I won't worry about Cousins. What I would worry about, is that we finally put him into the situations, where he can be effective. And this is more up to the coach, than to Cousins as a player.
Example: Tyler Zeller for Boston. Zeller is not a very good allround Center. But he can finish the pick&roll, if you don't ask him to do to much: Set pic, roll, 1 dribble, finish with layup or hookshot.
There is no reason at all, that Cousins should not be able to be effective in those kind of situations. But we never set him up like that.
Is this Cousins fault?

In a few games this season DC and DMC focused on playing high pick&roll with the outcome of an open midrange setshot for Cousins. He converted this shot on a great percentage - at least as far as I remember. But still most of the time, we ask him to play from the high post, with no pick&roll involved and with the outcome of a contested jumpshot or a shot created off the dribble.
Just take a look how Portland sets up Aldridge or Leonard right now . Those guys get a ton of open jumpshots per game.

To cut a long story short, from my point of view it's not about Cousins development as a player, that eventually hampers him to become a Top-10 all-time Center, but more about the way Cousins is used by our coaches.
 

Capt. Factorial

ceterum censeo delendum esse Argentum
Staff member
Aren't a high percentage of Cousins turnovers out of situations where he trys to generate contact to draw the foul and doesn't get the call?
This year, 41% of Cousins' turnovers are bad passes. Lost ball turnovers account for 30%. 19% are offensive fouls. 10% are "other".

I don't know if you would consider some of the "lost ball" turnovers to occur in the attempt to generate contact, but the offensive fouls (and at least some of those are moving screens) are in my mind the only turnovers that really fit that category.
 
This year, 41% of Cousins' turnovers are bad passes. Lost ball turnovers account for 30%. 19% are offensive fouls. 10% are "other".

I don't know if you would consider some of the "lost ball" turnovers to occur in the attempt to generate contact, but the offensive fouls (and at least some of those are moving screens) are in my mind the only turnovers that really fit that category.
Thank you.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This year, 41% of Cousins' turnovers are bad passes. Lost ball turnovers account for 30%. 19% are offensive fouls. 10% are "other".

I don't know if you would consider some of the "lost ball" turnovers to occur in the attempt to generate contact, but the offensive fouls (and at least some of those are moving screens) are in my mind the only turnovers that really fit that category.
See, I have a real issue with stupid formulas lumping together real stats to try to create something the statlumper likes as an overall "advanced" stat. On the other hand I have a sincere appreciation for the capabilities of the new sportvu stats -- real stats, just in more detail.

And what I REALLY wish we had there was a splits on those turnover numbers, because I'm willing to bet the skyrocketing turnovers in Jan/Feb were to a very great degree all added bad pass turnovers. I other words, in the early season it would not surprise me to see the numbers be 25% bad passes, 40% lost ball, 25% offensive fouls, 10% other. And similarly in Jan/Feb it would not surprise me if the splits were not as high as 50% bad pass, etc. etc. I truly think the huge spike in Cuz TOs has been highly correlated with us making a conscious decision to turn him into a high usage passing post, and in him beginning to get doubled and tripled so hard that the kickout passes from those situations have also skyrocketed.