[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 04/07/12

Which baby most accurately captures your feelings on this game?

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay.

This eventually turned out to be a variety of the grizzled vets teach the young bucks a thing or two about all the dirty little tricks you use in high level/playoff type basketball. There was an old Tom Cruise movie called Days of Thunder, with him playing a young cocky inexperienced Nascar driver (it was very much just him ripping off Top Gun and putting it in cars). So he's got great talent, but then he gets into a real race and the big bad guy (think Ice from Top Gun) starts bumping him and nudging him and forcing him up to the wall etc. and Cruise's composure disintegrates. He complains to his pit crew, and is informed that no son, that's rubbin', and rubbin' is racing.

Fast forward to us. We got a lesson tonight. I was proud of our composure for a half. But this one was played at a playoff level of physicality throughout and somewhere along the line various guys began to lose their heads. DeMarcus, who had a great feel for the type of game it was going to be in the first half, seemed very self aware and avoided foul trouble, started really forcing junk on offense after half, lost his focus, and was just throwing up crap. Reke and TWill started trying to do way too much with thier passes and turned it over again and again as the Clippers swarmed. And the wheels just fell off for the whole team until we gave up mentally and got incredibly lax in the 4th. Taken the right way, used the right way, this could be a real nice lesson for us for the future. Every young team has many beatdowns in its youthful past, even the ones that go on to be legendary. Still...can feel a rivalry potentially brewing with this Clippers team, and would ahve liked to have at least put a good scare into them.

Oh BTW, none of the above changes this fact: we will NEVER be a good team so long as we give up 109pts and let the other team shoot 49.4% against us. Ever. Everything above applies, but in the end the constant bleeding ulcer is the defense. Every night jsut aobut. No team in the NBA has to overcome so much to win a game, and we're a blowout waiting to happen eveytime we get slowed.

Had another theme idea prepared (pre-prepared this time), but this one of course necessitates Girls. Don't have many games left now, so must treasure these opportunities.

Boxscore

Garcia ( B- ) -- got the start in our latest flail at SF, and stepped up his game considerably and gave us a competitive start right up until the point Clubber Lang clunked him alongside the head in the early 4th and had him seeing little tweetie birds in the locker room. Was doing more than just spotting up for three from the early going and was finding seams to the hoop while all the defensive attention was elsewhere. Competitive and chippy, expecially in the third, and hit two big threes near the end of the quarter to keep us close -- in fact his three at the 2:24 mark had us as close as 1. Eight minutes later we were down 17 and the game was over. A minute into the 4th went t the ground on a scramble play and took what looked like a glancing blow from a forearm high on the forehead, but those who ever watch boxing know that sometimes those shots when they get somebody just right can be lights out, and so it was here. Went down, stayed down, and while Cisco's own floppy instincts sometimes give a boy who cried wolf feel to his injuries, this one was no joke. Word filtered down from the lockerrom that he had a concussion an obviously would not return.
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Natasha Yi

Thompson ( F ) -- probably by far the biggest blow of the night for us was the complete disintegration of JTs game tonight, on a night when DeMarcus was already going to be under scrutiny because of the fine, and Chuck was unavailable because of apparent food poisoning. Just able to get absolutely nothing done on either end of the floor and racked up fouls on Griffin at a rate that would have made the rookie JT, who led the league in fouls, blush. A large percentage of Blake's 12-15 shooting was due to runouts on the break etc., but I'm not sure JT forced a single miss during his minutes other than by fouling. His single highlight was a nice job hitting the floor to save a ball in the mid 2nd. That was it. Got his 4th foul within 2 minutes of the beginning of the third quarter, and his 5th a couple minutes later and that was it. Donte Green was a far more competitive option for us at PF then JT. Think about that. Any of you who have ever played competitive sports at a decent level know this is the one you cannot have -- going into a tough situation as underdogs, already with little margin for error, you just can't have a teammate completely disintegrate on you. Mind you this is the same player who went 15pts 16rebs for us against this same team 48 hours ago.
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Christian Milian

Cousins ( B- ) -- I was impresed with Boogie's first half composure given all the hoopla surrounding the event. Really seedm to get the situation adn the stage, and was playing as in control as we have seen him, giving the refs no hook to hang him with. At the very beginning of the game it looked like being in control might lead to passivity, as he just settled for the jumpers the Clippers were giving him, and only hit 1 of his first 4. But that was underestimating his focus , asd he relly dialed in and began to attack the rim, get fouled, and make defensive plays while keeping his feet and never even threatening to pick up fouls. Drew a charge on Griffin in the early 2nd as well for a cherry. Seemed to understand the type of game it would be and was consciously throwing his hands back to not give the refs any chance, and racked up 41 minutes in this one with only 3 fouls. He should consider playing wiht that focus every night. Unfortunately while he maintained his fouling discpline, somehow he seemed to lsoe hsi offensive focus after half, and you started to see thsoe ugly random shots, off balance, missing gimmes because of lack of gathering himself, occasional forces into the teeth of the defense etc. As in control as he was before half, after half lost the offensive thread and led to the ugly shooting night that unfortunately will give the Clipers bragging rights through the summer. Passes were just a little off too -- wasn't turning it over (which made him nearly unique on the team) but every pass seemed a little too high, a little too low, sometimes getting through but rarely able to set anybody up in rhythm for the shots. Huge rebounding night of course, but I'm not sure it wa the most impressive we've seen from him despite several of those one handed snatches he comes up with. He's just huge and one of the league's elite rebounders, and able to play 41 min without foul troublethe numbers racked on up.
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Scottie Thompson

Evans ( C ) -- this was an odd game for Reke until the wheels fell off in the 4th. Even taken off the ball and played out of position, Reke is still a 17 5 and 5 type of player this season, yet tonight for most of the game the ony part of that line which was in evidence was the 17. Had no rebounds and no assists by half. With the passing in particular you could see a strategy fail on our part, as our whole team was bound and determined to get the ball to Cousins, and the Clippers, expecting nothing less, were sitting all over those passes leading to the majority of our 19 turnovers. On offense threatened to have a strong night and never quite got there. Had a number of really strong takes, including going behind the back on CP3, who he has always lit up in his younf career, at midcourt and racing in for a layup. But half those shots were rolling off -- this could easily have been an 8-10 shooting night with a different feel to the overall game. We were really having a defensive problem, as per usual, in the early going as everytime Reke went to the hoop the Clippers had Foye racing out the other way and nobody picked him up. Just kills me. I could cover those breakouts and somehow these guys hwo have 20 years of basketball behind them aren't getting the basics. Began to surge in the third as we needed somebody to step up, and helped lead our last big push to cut the lead down to 1. But started to have a real probelm with turnovers, just trying to do too much, to make passes that weren't there, to try to force homeruns. Went to the bench for a spell, but far from curing things when he came back with us falling apart he just kicked that trend into high gear with three just terrible turnovers as he and Williams I think combined for 5 of them befor the midpoint of the quarter, providing the primary rocket fuel for the Clipeprs open court explosion. Hard to figure this grade. The late implosion for this team just did not feel worthy of what had gone on for the first three quarters.
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Candice Swanepoel -- became my new favorite South African yesterday with her plea for beach volleyball players at the Olympics in Brazil to respect Brazilian culture by continuing to play in their bikinis rather than the newly allowed coverups. You go girl.
 
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Thomas ( C ) -- came out to start this one as a passser, but was only modestly effective in that role as for the second game in a row the Clippers really seemed to concentrate on taking away those passing lanes. Was staying in front of CP3, although the Clippers were quick to take advantage of him whenever he got switched onto larger players. Was more aggressive after returning late in the half and got several layups during his only real offensive burst of the night. Got off to a rough start to the third trying to be aggressive but meeting CP3 doing the same thing. Led to forces and turnovers. Paul was able to direct his team at will against IT, but his point total on the night is deceptive -- for the most part CP3 was succeeding against IT as a floor general, not as a scorer. Most of Paul's points came against others or the zone -- 1 on 1 IT stayed in front of him. A little surprising late in this game IT's defensive effort in the zone seemed to flag. Just quit scrambling up top, meaning that every time down the floor the Clips had one wide open shooter up there. Slipped into the turnover well too as it just felt like the whole team lost focus and accepted defeat. Which pisses me off, but we'll call it learning.
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Tonia Sotiropoulou -- just announced as one fo the new Bond girls, which amazingly still has cachet. With a name like that, I'll give you one guess where she is from.

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Bench

Greene ( B- ) -- in for JT after the early foul trouble, and initially did a very solid job guarding Blake (with a little help). And BTW, he is every bit as tall as Blake is and stayed between him and the hoop. Hit a three in the early 2nd, and was kncking down shorter spot shots as well, although would again miss the rest of this threes. Managed to turn rotten fruit into gold when late in the third he made a mistake that had the potential to kill us (well, kill us a few minutes earlier than we got killed) when he got called for a flagrant foul on Grifin out on the break with us down 5. Grffin got 2 FTs and the Clips got the ball. But Blake only split the pair, we stopped the Clips on the extra possession, and then Donte went down the other way and made a great catch and layup inside to actually come out of the whole sequence +1 rather than losing 4 or even 5 points (if Grffin hits both FTs and they hit a three). Hard to go much higher with this grade, but given the impossible situation he was put in -- hey Donte, yes, you may have started the season at SF but tonight I want you to play as our primary big man backup, and guard All Star Blake Griffin for most of the night after JT fouls himself out in less than 15 minutes -- he put forth a respectable effort.
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Erica Cerra -- don't know who Don is, but he's a lucky guy

Williams ( C+ ) -- well, interesting game to say the least for Williams. Good, bad, and finally ugly. Forced a 1 on 1 drive for the closing shot of the first quarter but did not even draw iron, and that was kind of the story with his own offense -- too many 1 on 1 drives into traffic that did not fall. On the other hand did a nicw job as essentially the PG with the backup crew, setting Jimmer ip especially again and again and notching 8 first half assists -- 8 mind you on a night when our 5 starters combined for 6. But there were issues that began to run down that major positive. Played maybe some of the least effective defense we've seen him play in his time in Sacto, and seemed often lsot in the zone (he may have been wondereing, as I did, why we were even in a zone against this team givent hat IT could stay in front of Paul somehwat, and Griffin is not a great 1 on 1 throw him the ball and clear out post player). And after delivering a nice pass to Cisco for a three and TWill's 9th assist just before the end of the third, the passing game went right in the toilet as he and Reke in particular just started throwing it all over the gym tryign to create things that weren't there to create, and triggering the Clippers break that broke open the game in the 4th. Combined with never getting his own offense going you have a game where he was a revelation as a passer -- maybe our most natural passer on the whole team, but where everything else fell apart. 9assists...but 5 TOs. 2-7 shooting for 5pts, and limited defensive impact his time. This is me searrching for an appropriate grade for all that...
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Simone Annan

Fredette ( C+ ) -- first shot a contested three off the catch which he buried with barely a ripple of the net. Followed with 2 shots from closer in and was off to a strong first stint offensively. Note the qualifier there. Williams continued to set him up, and he drained 10 points in quick succession for us, but in kind of eyebrow raising fashion was not even able to defend in the zone this time, as his feet seemed caught in mud or something and guys were just zipping by him at will to attack our always soft interior. Brief non-garbaetime second half stint didnnot go well as we brought him in and he ended up guarding CP3, which was just as bad as you might think. Led to his dissappearance until garbagetime when he chucked up a couple of three point attempts, the first of which kind of had a what the hell, its garbagetime feel to it. So yet another one of the grades wiht a nice contribution in one area, but a negative contribution in others, and all the good work concentrated early.
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Bar Rafaeli
 
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Outlaw ( B ) -- as the statline indicates, one of Outlaw's rare decent showings this year. Missed an early three, but then hit his next two, whihc might seriously have been the first time all year he's strung towo together. After starting off with lousy effort and recognition in the zone defense, stiffened and helped as a baseline shot challenger late in the first half. Padded things a bit in the garbagekime and had an impressive touch pass on the break to Whiteside.
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Lauren Cohan

Whiteside ( INC ) -- ineffective as we attempted to buy a few minutes with him anchoring our zone in the 2nd. Did not return until garbageimte, when he bricked a pair of FTs to close things.
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Melissa Theuriau -- thought I'd bring back the silly hot French newscaster for another one of these things

Honeycutt ( INC ) -- came in in garbagetime, caught a loose ball, and did a nice job running the break dishing to Outlaw for a dunk. Then joined the turnover parade a couple of possessions later with a terrible entry pass.
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Talisa Soto -- thought I'd close with an underrated beauty from the 90s in particular
 
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Anyone remember JT interview at the start - ending it about going out and getting a "win" tonight? Nice to be confident but then to completely disappear. JT's dismal line: 15 mins, 0 pts, 0-1 FG, 1 RB, absolutely nothing else except 5 fouls. Now, Houston awaits in less than 24 hrs and we'll see what JT can do against the likes of Scola, Dalembert, etc.
 
Okay.

This eventually turned out to be a variety of the grizzled vets teach the young bucks a thing or two about all the dirty little tricks you use in high level/playoff type basketball. There was an old Tom Cruise movie called Days of Thunder, with him playing a young cocky inexperienced Nascar driver (it was very much just him ripping off Top Gun and putting it in cars). So he's got great talent, but then he gets into a real race and the big bad guy (think Ice from Top Gun) starts bumping him and nudging him and forcing him up to the wall etc. and Cruise's composure disintegrates. He complains to his pit crew, and is informed that no son, that's rubbin', and rubbin' is racing.

Fast forward to us. We got a lesson tonight. I was proud of our composure for a half. But this one was played at a playoff level of physicality throughout and somewhere along the line various guys began to lose their heads. DeMarcus, who had a great feel for the type of game it was going to be int he first half, seemed very self sware and avoided foul trouble, starter really forcing junk on offense, lost his focus, and was just throwing up crap. Reke and TWill started trying to do way too much with thier passes and turned it over again and again as the Clippers swarmed. And the wheels just fell off for the whole team until we gave up mentally and got incredibly lax in the 4th. Taken the right way, used the right way, this could be a real nice lesson for us for the future. Every young team has many beatdowns in its youthful past, even the ones that go on to be legendary. Still...can feel a rivalry potentially brewing with this Clippers team, and would ahve liked to have at least put a good scare into them.

Oh BTW, none of the above changes this fact: we will NEVER be a good team so long as we give up 109pts and let the other team shoot 49.4% against us. Ever. Everything above applies, but in the end the constant bleeding ulcer is the defense. Every night jsut aobut. No team in the NBA has to overcome so much to win a game, and we're a blowout waiting to happen eveytime we get slowed.

Has another theme idea prepared (pre-prepared this time), but this one of course necessitates Girls. Don't have many games left now, so must treasure these opportunities.

Boxscore

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Foye was the biggest problem. Who was guarding him?
 
Foye was the biggest problem. Who was guarding him?

Don't be an idiot. You know as well as I do that Foye's explosion was only indirectly Reke related -- we were in a zone much of the time, and everytime Reke went to the hoop Foye released, and nobody on our team knows how to find a guy in transition.

I'm actually just about half a step from just starting to delete some of the posts around here. You aren't talking basketball. You aren't trying to be fair. You are just trolling and pushing a plank. Truth, analysis, its all irrelevant as long as you get Reke. Its kind of sick really.
 
He kept getting open looks off penetration. Who kept getting beat off the dribble?

Getting beat off the dribble wasn't the problem when Thomas was guarding Paul. Paul using screens, and then making plays were the problem. That was where he was most successful in breaking down our zone and our man to man defense. Thomas did a great job in the first half in slowing down Paul, who was 1-8 at one point. With JT out due to foul trouble early in the second half, screens, kickouts, and whatever else Paul could come up with made it hard for us to get the stops we needed to get some semblance of control in the game.

And then there's the other stuff.
 
Sad performance last night. Defense has just not improved under Smart. Maloofs low on money, they already hedging on using their funds for pre-development fees.

Games like last night, the Kings should pay us to watch their dog and pony show.
 
I usually try not to look for excuses but, does anyone think that missing Hayes, Thornton, and Salmons could have had anything to do with losing so badly last night?
 
Cousins a B-? He was 5-19 and let Blake go off. Interesting grading system you have there. Cousins get credit for not blowing up over the controversy that he started and staying on the floor while playing no defense.
 
Cousins a B-? He was 5-19 and let Blake go off. Interesting grading system you have there. Cousins get credit for not blowing up over the controversy that he started and staying on the floor while playing no defense.

What on Earth makes you think he was guarding Griffin? That was Thompson. Then it was Donte (37min to Blake's 35). And half the time it was nobody at all as we were in a zone, and half of Blake's hoops were breaks out in the open court. There was probably a play or two in there wwhere Blake scored over Cousins, but the only specific recollection I have is a play where DeMarcus actually stopped him, an then the one where he drew a charge on him.

Boogie's men included Jordan (0pts), Martin (6pts) and R.Evans(2pts) (45min to Boogie's 41).
 
What on Earth makes you think he was guarding Griffin? That was Thompson. Then it was Donte. And half the time it was nobody at all as we were in a zone, and half of Blake's hoops were breaks out in the open court. There was probably a play or two in there wwhere Balke scored over Cousins, but the only specific recollection I have is a play where DeMarcus actually stopped him.

Boogie's men included Jordan (0pts), Martin (6pts) and R.Evans(2pts).
You are right. How dare the center play help defense. My bad. I remember them being matched up several times but you are right. There was that one time when DMC stopped Griffen. There was also the time when he took a charge.
 
You are right. How dare the center play help defense. My bad. I remember them being matched up several times but you are right. There was that one time when DMC stopped Griffen. There was also the time when he took a charge.

We are talking about a guy who averages 21pts and 11rebs on 54% shooting against the entire league. There must not BE any good centers in the league if that's all on them. Adn on a night when your only other available big man disintegrates and essentialy fouls out scoreless and reboundless in 14min, leaving you with a bunch of SFs to play against Griffin? Please.

Besides you're a little confused -- the designated King you blame for everybody else's shortcomings is Tyreke. And on that front I would agree -- Reke did it.
 
You are right. How dare the center play help defense. My bad. I remember them being matched up several times but you are right. There was that one time when DMC stopped Griffen. There was also the time when he took a charge.


You really are bitter that DeMarcus is better than Favors. Let it go, it's embarrassing.
 
Cousins was 5-19. That isn't B- work.

You seem incredibly overfascinated by shooting percentages. He also grabbed 20 rebounds for the second time this season, 1 off his career high. He controleld turnovers and he stayed out of foul trouble in a game where the refs would naturally have been looking for him, and played more than 40 minues for only the 3rd time in his career.

Big kid did fine. The shooting percentage is why he gets a B-. If he shoots well as well, he is looking at something in the A range.
 
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