Grades v. Bulls 11/17/09

What lost this for the Kings?

  • 4-21 from 3pt land

    Votes: 10 9.9%
  • 21 TOs

    Votes: 63 62.4%
  • No Noc, no rings!

    Votes: 7 6.9%
  • JT sucking eggs, in fact our whole starting frontcourt sucking eggs

    Votes: 21 20.8%

  • Total voters
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Greene ( A- ) -- well, glad to start off with this one, because folks its all downhill from here on the grades. Looked more than solid as a fill in starter, and was our best player on the night. Yet it was a bit of a schizophrenic night, and first half in particular. Again and again used his size and mobility to attack the hoop -- this is the new thing that obviously he always had the ability to do, but that last year he almost never did. And its why he had such a big game tonight. On the flip side, the three point chucker reared his ugly head again. Took no fewer than 8 threes on the night, making only two of them. Most of the early ones were in rhythm, but by the second quarter he had forgotten how he was effective early and was just chucking at the first touch of leather. Started off the third going back to the drive, but it was a forced attempt and he got bailed out by the foul call. Stuck with it though -- likely after an interesting conversation with coach at halftime, and immediately used another drive. Had some good defensive stands against John Salmons in the second half -- this the other half of the new stuff that has Donte suddenly looking promising again. Made a nifty move on the drive to start the 4th , but got fouled and missed both FTs -- missed 3 in a row there which we could not really afford late in the game. Later got set up by Sergio for yet another three, and....actually thought about it! Dribbled in 4 feet and then drained the 19 footer. Progress. Made a strong interior post move to draw us back within 7 with his 24th point, but that was about his, and our, last stand. Far from a perfect effort, but a career one, and our best. And while its obviously not the last word on the Noc thing, it is true that we wouldn't have had a chance to see this if Noc hadn't missed the game. Reke's the blue chipper, but we've all of a sudden got a number of other kids who could be impact players.

Thompson ( D- ) -- THUD. So after a very strong 20-10 week how does Jason follow it up...well, let's put it this way, Richter scales all across the globe registered the thud. Came out and was backed right down and overpowered + scored over to start this one. The Bulls I thought had a very good defensive gameplan on both Jason and Reke, and while Reke eventually found ways to be productive, Jason never did. Struggled enough early that he was fairly quickly replaced by K9. Was largely checked off the boards and the hustle game was squelched before it ever got started. Had some of his normal blown layup problems -- should maybe change his nickname to "Stays After It" Thompson, for how often the announcers use that phrase for him as he blows an inital layup before grabbing his own miss and going back up again. The new Moses Malone. But today had more than just the bad layup problems, had bad turnover problems as the Bulls swarmed around him and poked and tips the ball away time and again. Not able to be effective with the passing game eiher, and we got a nifty 7TO to 0ast ratio out of him tonight. Made a clever play to start the third, pulling the chair out from under Taj Gibson when he got overaggressive banging in the post. But returned to the struggle, and now added to things were foul problems (there were a few shaky callas along the way). Finally did get away with a clear mugging of Salmons late, but mostly some tough calls. Played down the stretch, and padded his stats up a little, but really got pummeled by Noah on the glass in those final minutes.

Hawes ( D ) -- quite the duo of doom we had manning the power positions tonight -- doom for us. Started off the game getting blocked at the rim, which I suppose was about as good a prophetic metaphor as you were going to get fro this one. Briefly showed activity as he got a block himself and then and made a nice pass, but just could not hit a jumper or convert inside. Watched Noah show him how to finish with a series of big dunks in traffic in the first quarter, and its funny how these two players have flip flopped. Last year everybody was convinced that Spencer was on his way while Noah was going to struggle (despite my occassional protestations that Noah's per minute production was actually pretty impressive). Now somehow Spencer seems to have regressed rather badly while Noah has really settled in with his simpler roleplayer game and just physically dominated the matchup. Spencer started off the third so quiet as to be completely invisible, fluttering about in the high post area getting not much of anything accomplished. Did come back for his best moment of the night near the end of the quarter with a strong finish +1 courtesy of Reke to pull us back within 9. But then as the Bulls turned it back on, delivered maybe his worst moment, taking an open 16 foot jumper and airballing it by a foot. That's where you see the confidence issues really breeding -- while he shouldn't be shooting threes, Spencer is a good shooter, or could be. To airball a simple little jumper aftr getting pushed around all night...Flutter. That was about it for his night as Westphal opted to go with other people rather than continue to wait for Specer to compete. Hard to say who was worse, an incomptent Jason or an ineffectual Hawes, but we haven't been getting much more than this from Spencer all season, so Jason turning into a pumpkin too likely hurt us more.

Udrih ( B- ) -- had a fairly quiet first quarter, but did move the ball around, and would have hit a three had K9 not traveled on the pass. Didn't let Rose get off on offense, and that was the matchup -- Reke's having to deal with the big defensive guards now, and Beno is getting checked by the PGs. Mentioend before that is a problem for us since a need to find a way to get Reke over on the twerps so he can beat them up. Sort of scrabbled his way into an effective third helping us hang around, hitting a shot here, a shot there, making just enough plays to probably help more than hurt, and combined with Roses's poor night, holding his own. Which going in would be about all you could have asked for out of Beno. Lost some of his minutes on the night as Westphal out of desperation turned to Sergio Rodrigues, and Sergio played well. With Sergio and Evans bascially being our 2nd and 3rd best players on the night, Beno had to watch from the bench for long stretches pf the 3rd and 4th. I read this as a borderline B-/C+ performance for Beno, and bumped it to the higher side given Rose's ineffectiveness.

Evans ( B- ) -- as expected drew Salmons defensively, and had all he wanted there. As menetiond above, I thought Chicago had a very good defensive book on JT and Reke, who have been the two biggest engines of our recent success. And Salmons was very keyed in on his driving tendencies. reke got him once on a circus shot, but Salmons cut him off a few times and forced him into a travel on his next attempt, and Reke didn't test him agian until he got help from a pick. Was smart that way tonight -- ratehr than keep on attacking Salmons 1 on 1 in iso type sets, he stepepd back and largely picked his spots when a pick was set, he had a step on the break etc. Meant less impact, but showed some maturity. When he briefly got freed from Salmons, was set to chew up Pargo in the post to start the second quarter, but was not able to hit the first layup, hit the second, and then turned it over in the face of a double team. Meanwhile watched Pargo just explode for 10 points in 54 seconds, and maybe it was the quickness issue wiht the superquick guard going all Eddie House on us. Because thing was that Reke played a GREAT defesnive game for the most part other than that mini-stretch. He really locked inot Salmons and gave him a taste of his own medicine -- stayed in front of him and blocked two of his shots, got another block on Rose in the quarter, and just in general made his impact on that sife of the floor while the offense was struggling. Part of the Chicago book was also to let him shot jumpers, and while Reke generally knows that is a shaky shot for him and doesn't like to take it, he was forced into a number this time out and just couldn't hit them. Made a bad decision at the end of the third, had a wide open three, knew that was not his shot, hesitated and turned the ball over trying to refeed the post instead of taking it. Was in at Sg to start the 4th next to Rodrigiuez, and did well. Got another block/steal, then converted the flying layup on the break. Had another burst of sloppiness, missed a three, got a drive blocked, threw a pass too high to JT, but then wrapped things up pretty strong in the late minutes. And here's the thing -- not a spectacular night for Tyreke, but he seems to be settling in now so that even on a tough night, against a tough defensive opponent, he STILL gets 20pts on the night. And he feels talented enough that he gets 20pts and I pondered whether this might be a C+ game. Gave the half grade bump though for the impressive defense.
 
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Thomas ( B- ) -- well, did the one thing he does out there -- grabbed rebounds for us -- but that was about it for the night. Came in in the first half, nabbed a few boards, but was not effective on defense and did little else in his first quarter minutes. Looked awkward on offense, but at least had the good sense to not even bother ths time out, and came up with a Michael Ruffin/Charles Jones staline of 17+mminutes played, 0-0 FG, 0-0 FT. Had a nice flying block from behind on the break against Salmons, saving the layup to start the 4th. Got a front row view to a number of Noah's dunks and follows. Punchlessness was a bit problematic on a night when we got little off the bench.

Udoka ( C ) -- hit a jumper in his first stint, not much else. In the third returned and did a good job against Salmons. Missed a side three that would have brought us within 6 in the late third, and lack of offense tonight more than made up for the defense.

Casspi (C- ) -- had an poor outing here. Not effective in his first stint, and I was quickly looking for Donte to return. Hit a post shot in the third, but generally not able to get anything going against the tough Bulls defense. Helped the cause a bit with some boardwork, but was another of the young Kings who was making mistakes and having major turnover problems.

Rodriguez ( B+ ) -- turned to in desperation by Westphal, ironically as a stopper apparently against the Pargo explosion, but responded with a nice game as maybe our second our third most effective guy. Hit a three in the mid 2nd, added a couple of layups, and mostly stabilized the situation. Had a breakaway to get us back within 9 in the late 3rd and made some nifty passes in the seocnd half to help us sputter about trying to make it over the hump. Great lead pass to Reke for a flying one handed touch layup as we made our mid 4th charge. Ended up stealing Beno's late game minutes.

Brockman ( INC ) -- in in the late 3rd to try to give us a spark as we were dying there, quickly grabebd a hustle o-reb, then just as quickly was pulled as the Bulls went small and Westphal decided to match

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Notes: some tough calls in the 2nd quarter made it tough to play defense. A Donte, Hawes, Casspi, Udoka, Rodrigues lineup effectively lost any chance we had as they got blown off the floor in the late third.
 
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This was a good game.
I like this team, the loss over bulls means nothing. They are perfect and Beno doesnt have so many pressure on him like he had last season.
This game was lost because Sergio was playing a point guard when they were down 7 points. If Beno would enter he would split the defense and the team would be down 4 points.
But no matter what, they are very good team. I think that they will be in top 10 this season.
Trade Martin and Hawes.
 
This game was lost because Sergio was playing a point guard when they were down 7 points. If Beno would enter he would split the defense and the team would be down 4 points.
But no matter what, they are very good team. I think that they will be in top 10 this season.
Trade Martin and Hawes.

No offense, but you're delusional. There is no way we're a top 10 team this year. Maybe not even a top 20.
 
quick recap if you missed the game

Noah (as well as the other Bulls front court players) neutralized Thompson's effectiveness. All those second chance tip in and rebounds that are a part of his game weren't there for him tonight.

What hurt the team even more was the first quarter, all those unforced turnovers from tip off and then Pargo coming in on fire, it was an up hill battle after that. The Bulls making almost 60% of their 3 pointers made sure the team never came back.

This game hurts more for me because one of my closest friend's is born and raised in Chicago and I won't be able to have any basketball hierarchy over him until the Kings win against Chicago again.
 
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This was a good game.
I like this team, the loss over bulls means nothing. They are perfect and Beno doesnt have so many pressure on him like he had last season.
This game was lost because Sergio was playing a point guard when they were down 7 points. If Beno would enter he would split the defense and the team would be down 4 points.
But no matter what, they are very good team. I think that they will be in top 10 this season.
Trade Martin and Hawes.

Gee, man, I know what basketball is, and i know how to play basketball, so yeah, when I see Sacramento Kings play their game i see a winning team.
You might think different because of this loss.
Give them time, they are really good and for now it seems that they are going into play offs.
 
Hmmm...

  • Spencer is better off the bench - Every game we've seen him start, he's been poor this season. I dunno why. Maybe he's one of those guys who puts too much pressure on himself that he'll lose his starting job?
  • Donte is better when he's starting - Okay for this year too, Donte is very good as a reserve. But last year he had that one game where he had 16 points. But man, he's so far the most improved on the team and is the player with the 2nd highest potential on the team. His off the ball and finishing skills looking light years ahead from last year
 
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This was NOT a good game. No defense, no ball movement and again way too many TO's.
We played defense. I don't think its as black and white as us not playing defense. Spencer didn't play defense. And JT was in foul trouble. I thought everyone else played pretty well on defense all things considered, and teh effort was there. We just didn't have a presence in the paint.
 
This was NOT a good game. No defense, no ball movement and again way too many TO's.

Hmm... We got outplayed and TOs hurt. But there was some hope though in the 4th when the lead was cut to 7. Hustle was there and this was a game we could have won. Also, Tyreke outplayed Rose and Greene did well. Gave a good feeling that we have the better Memphis PG.

2008 team would have gotten cleaned out by 28 by half time.
 
first game I got to see this year on TV. Jason was terrible on offense and on defense. Evans had atleast two turnovers because Jason could not catch the freaking ball. I know a lot of people blame Hawes for being invisible but atleast he did not give the ball away as much as Jason.
 
Still a very young team with rookie pg and new coach that is 5-5 expecting to win 20 games, playing against a decent Chicago team
 
Hmm... We got outplayed and TOs hurt. But there was some hope though in the 4th when the lead was cut to 7. Hustle was there and this was a game we could have won. Also, Tyreke outplayed Rose and Greene did well. Gave a good feeling that we have the better Memphis PG.

Yea, there was some hustle in the 4th quarter. Joakim Noah just had his way. No one could block him out to get a rebound

2008 team would have gotten cleaned out by 28 by half time.
I'm not talking 2008 because its the past and I would rather forget about 2008.
 
Thompson 7 TOs! I didn't watch the game, but I'm mad about this particular stat. Can anyone tell me how you can only take 7 shots and get 7 TOs? His foul problems resurfaced again naturally, but his fumblefingers must have been in full throttle tonight. I think his hyperactive energetic play finally did him in--it was bound to happen, and he probably wasn't as good as he was in past weeks.

As for Evans, okay game. I think he had all three of his blocks in the 2nd quarter, and hopefully he'll keep blocking shots.
 
One thing that is common in .500 teams, is that they win 5- then loose five. We could very well be that type of team. I do know it is only one game, but it has happen before, and I am not ruling out that possibility.
 
Thompson 7 TOs! I didn't watch the game, but I'm mad about this particular stat. Can anyone tell me how you can only take 7 shots and get 7 TOs? His foul problems resurfaced again naturally, but his fumblefingers must have been in full throttle tonight. I think his hyperactive energetic play finally did him in--it was bound to happen, and he probably wasn't as good as he was in past weeks.

As for Evans, okay game. I think he had all three of his blocks in the 2nd quarter, and hopefully he'll keep blocking shots.

It's hard not to lose the ball or take a shot when you're surrounded by 3 guys in the paint. He didn't give up though, the effort was there if you still looking for effort.
 
Gave a good feeling that we have the better Memphis PG.


Nope. Not yet at least. Rose is more athletic, quicker, better shooter, better finisher and has much better court awareness. he is a full time PG, always was, comes naturally. Evans is stronger, creates mismatches. Keep in mind, Rose is still not healthy. Those who deal with groin injuries know that this stuff takes a long time to fully heal from (think high ankle sprains), you use your groin a lot when you play basketball (that sounds funny). Rose is the same guy that put up monster offensive numbers against Rondo and the Cs in last year's playoffs. Give Tyreke some time. He's gotten better with each game. Love the guy but he's going to take a bit to develop.
 
The bottom line is we got beat by a better team. The loss can't be blamed on one or two players. Its was a team effort loss. It was painful, but I watched the game twice. The Bulls game plan was obvious. Especially after watching it the second time. Take Evans and Thompson out of the game as much as possible and make the rest of the team beat you.

Every time Thompson touched the ball he was double teamed, and sometimes triple teamed. That part isn't his fault. Not recognizing that there was nothing there, was. Hopefully it was a good learning experience for him. It was obvious that he was becoming frustrated and wanted to help his team. Unfortuantely he started to force the issue and the result was a turnover.

The Bulls did a good job taking away open lanes to the basket for Evans. He did force the issue a couple of times that once again resulted in a turnover. But he did a good job of regrouping and picking his spots. Unfortuantely, most of his teammates became turnover machines. The one bright shining light was Greene. Without a doubt his best game of his young career. He did it while starting and against a very good defensive team. It was almost as if the Bulls were saying, who's this guy? It probably won't be as easy the next time, but credit is due. Lets hope this is the beginning of a new era for him.

On the whole, I'm not that worried about the outcome of the game. We beat ourselves and the Bulls helped us do it. They took advantage of every mistake we made. And thats what good teams do. And make no mistake about it. The Bulls are a good team and we're not. At least not yet. The main difference in the game was the turnovers. For some I have to give credit to the Bulls. They swarmed, Double teamed and played the passing lanes beautifully. But most of the turnovers were unforced. They were just stupid highschool mistakes. They got us out of our game. Made us uncomfortable and made us quit playing as a team. Good job Bull's!

Now I can't end this without mentioning one player. Spencer Hawes. This may have been Spence's worse game of his career. If not, definitely his worse this year. And for the first time I'm concerned. Spence shot an air ball from around 17 feet late in the game. The camera zoomed in on his face after that shot. Anyone thats played sports knows that look. It was the look of shattered confidence. The look of defeat. The glassy eye's. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole and disappear. I couldn't even give him an F- for this game. I'm truely worried about him.

I will admit to being one of those that wanted him over Noah. It ended up being a moot point with Noah being taken before Hawes. But there was no doubt in my mind that Hawes was much more skilled than Noah. Noah has taken what god has given him and polished it. Made it effective. He's always been an effort player. Very similar to Thompson in that he'll come in and clean up the garbage and rebound. He has flaws in his game, but he's learned to play to his strengths. And thats to his credit. He affects the game.

Sadly, Hawes isn't affecting the game. The Kings need him to step up and become the player they thought they were drafting. Thompson had a bad game last night. But he went down fighting. Or frailing if you will. Hawes just went down with a few bubbles left on the surface.
 
I will go with the 21 TOs with the addition that the Bulls played very well. They could have beaten most teams in the league tonight.
 
The bottom line is we got beat by a better team. The loss can't be blamed on one or two players. Its was a team effort loss. It was painful, but I watched the game twice. The Bulls game plan was obvious. Especially after watching it the second time. Take Evans and Thompson out of the game as much as possible and make the rest of the team beat you.

Every time Thompson touched the ball he was double teamed, and sometimes triple teamed. That part isn't his fault. Not recognizing that there was nothing there, was. Hopefully it was a good learning experience for him. It was obvious that he was becoming frustrated and wanted to help his team. Unfortuantely he started to force the issue and the result was a turnover.

The Bulls did a good job taking away open lanes to the basket for Evans. He did force the issue a couple of times that once again resulted in a turnover. But he did a good job of regrouping and picking his spots. Unfortuantely, most of his teammates became turnover machines. The one bright shining light was Greene. Without a doubt his best game of his young career. He did it while starting and against a very good defensive team. It was almost as if the Bulls were saying, who's this guy? It probably won't be as easy the next time, but credit is due. Lets hope this is the beginning of a new era for him.

On the whole, I'm not that worried about the outcome of the game. We beat ourselves and the Bulls helped us do it. They took advantage of every mistake we made. And thats what good teams do. And make no mistake about it. The Bulls are a good team and we're not. At least not yet. The main difference in the game was the turnovers. For some I have to give credit to the Bulls. They swarmed, Double teamed and played the passing lanes beautifully. But most of the turnovers were unforced. They were just stupid highschool mistakes. They got us out of our game. Made us uncomfortable and made us quit playing as a team. Good job Bull's!

Now I can't end this without mentioning one player. Spencer Hawes. This may have been Spence's worse game of his career. If not, definitely his worse this year. And for the first time I'm concerned. Spence shot an air ball from around 17 feet late in the game. The camera zoomed in on his face after that shot. Anyone thats played sports knows that look. It was the look of shattered confidence. The look of defeat. The glassy eye's. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole and disappear. I couldn't even give him an F- for this game. I'm truely worried about him.

I will admit to being one of those that wanted him over Noah. It ended up being a moot point with Noah being taken before Hawes. But there was no doubt in my mind that Hawes was much more skilled than Noah. Noah has taken what god has given him and polished it. Made it effective. He's always been an effort player. Very similar to Thompson in that he'll come in and clean up the garbage and rebound. He has flaws in his game, but he's learned to play to his strengths. And thats to his credit. He affects the game.

Sadly, Hawes isn't affecting the game. The Kings need him to step up and become the player they thought they were drafting. Thompson had a bad game last night. But he went down fighting. Or frailing if you will. Hawes just went down with a few bubbles left on the surface.

This Hawes syndrome reminds me of the old adage concerning Marine recruites: tear them down, then build them up. Right now Hawes is completely torn down. Waiting for the rebuilding part...
 
The second quarter really killed us. Between Pargo's excellent play, Kings turnovers and not stoping penetration it wasn't pretty.
The Kings interior scoring continues to be a problem. We need somebody that can make a shot within two feet.
Makes me wonder if the Bulls would have gone in a different direction in the '07 draft would Petrie have drafted Noah instead of Hawes? Noah and JT would have been a tough duo together up front.
Speaking of our big guys, what happened to Hawes tonight? Did he have a furlough day?
Donte was impressive. The team played hard but was just beaten by a better team. Our inexperience showed. The Bulls had an answer to our run in the 4th quarter.
Hopefully we will be where the Bulls are in a year or two.
 
Can't agree with these grades. JT was clearly the only Big trying to do anything all night and he's graded a D-, while Hawes who defended no one, supplied no offense was only given a D? Hawes should be F- if JT is graded a D-. In the end JT was still able to pull out a 8/9 with his limited time on the floor (due to foul trouble, mainly due to bad ref calls and him being the only guy in the paint trying to guard Noah, Miller, Gibson, JJ)
 
The bottom line is we got beat by a better team. The loss can't be blamed on one or two players. Its was a team effort loss. It was painful, but I watched the game twice. The Bulls game plan was obvious. Especially after watching it the second time. Take Evans and Thompson out of the game as much as possible and make the rest of the team beat you.

Every time Thompson touched the ball he was double teamed, and sometimes triple teamed. That part isn't his fault. Not recognizing that there was nothing there, was. Hopefully it was a good learning experience for him. It was obvious that he was becoming frustrated and wanted to help his team. Unfortuantely he started to force the issue and the result was a turnover.

The Bulls did a good job taking away open lanes to the basket for Evans. He did force the issue a couple of times that once again resulted in a turnover. But he did a good job of regrouping and picking his spots. Unfortuantely, most of his teammates became turnover machines. The one bright shining light was Greene. Without a doubt his best game of his young career. He did it while starting and against a very good defensive team. It was almost as if the Bulls were saying, who's this guy? It probably won't be as easy the next time, but credit is due. Lets hope this is the beginning of a new era for him.

On the whole, I'm not that worried about the outcome of the game. We beat ourselves and the Bulls helped us do it. They took advantage of every mistake we made. And thats what good teams do. And make no mistake about it. The Bulls are a good team and we're not. At least not yet. The main difference in the game was the turnovers. For some I have to give credit to the Bulls. They swarmed, Double teamed and played the passing lanes beautifully. But most of the turnovers were unforced. They were just stupid highschool mistakes. They got us out of our game. Made us uncomfortable and made us quit playing as a team. Good job Bull's!

Now I can't end this without mentioning one player. Spencer Hawes. This may have been Spence's worse game of his career. If not, definitely his worse this year. And for the first time I'm concerned. Spence shot an air ball from around 17 feet late in the game. The camera zoomed in on his face after that shot. Anyone thats played sports knows that look. It was the look of shattered confidence. The look of defeat. The glassy eye's. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole and disappear. I couldn't even give him an F- for this game. I'm truely worried about him.

I will admit to being one of those that wanted him over Noah. It ended up being a moot point with Noah being taken before Hawes. But there was no doubt in my mind that Hawes was much more skilled than Noah. Noah has taken what god has given him and polished it. Made it effective. He's always been an effort player. Very similar to Thompson in that he'll come in and clean up the garbage and rebound. He has flaws in his game, but he's learned to play to his strengths. And thats to his credit. He affects the game.

Sadly, Hawes isn't affecting the game. The Kings need him to step up and become the player they thought they were drafting. Thompson had a bad game last night. But he went down fighting. Or frailing if you will. Hawes just went down with a few bubbles left on the surface.
Great post... really enjoyed reading it as I don't have the time to watch the game a 2nd time. Thanks for the writeup! Agreed about Hawes... the obvious question is where does he go from here? And which big should we persue to come in and help out?
 
Can't agree with these grades. JT was clearly the only Big trying to do anything all night and he's graded a D-, while Hawes who defended no one, supplied no offense was only given a D? Hawes should be F- if JT is graded a D-. In the end JT was still able to pull out a 8/9 with his limited time on the floor (due to foul trouble, mainly due to bad ref calls and him being the only guy in the paint trying to guard Noah, Miller, Gibson, JJ)


JT was horrid and turned the ball over 7 times. The numbers were padded late too after the game was aleady lost.

Spencer was very bad, but not entirely out of character for him this season.
 
JT was horrid and turned the ball over 7 times. The numbers were padded late too after the game was aleady lost.

Spencer was very bad, but not entirely out of character for him this season.


I give JT an F plus just for his effort. It was his worst game.

I give Hawes an F- for continuing his inexplicable slide down that slippery slope. Horrible:eek:
 
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