[Grades] Grades v. Bucks 03/10/2013

Kings player of the game?

  • Cousins

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Evans

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 10 33.3%
  • Aldrich

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well, yeah yeah, end of yet another losing season, team under threat of being moved, disengage etc. But if you do happen to still be around and watching a lot of these games of late have had a lot of things going on in them. In this one you have DeMarcus Cousins, almost playing alone out there in the first half but completely unguardable on his way to a monster night, get undercut by Mike Dunleavy of all people in the third, freak out, get kicked out, and leave us without the only thing that had kept us in the game. You've got Reke as Cousins only first half wingman almost completely frozen out by coach and team in the second half, until the final three minutes when he almost wins it at the buzzer. You've got IT stepping forward to play yay yay IT ball as soon as Cousins leaves, he takes every shot, dominates every possession...and sends us on a run to get right back into the game, before miss after force after miss finally kills the momentum and sends him out of the game...at which point a team full of guards and scrubs, led by Jimmer Fredette, who sucked in the first half, Cole Aldrich, who hasn't played in 3 games, and the sudden reappearance of Tyreke (possibly as a PF), we go on another big run, have a chance to tie or win, probably get cheated by the refs on a no call after an intentionally missed FT that works, and Reke still manages to get up a desperate three point heave that barely rims out....

Not bad for a meaningless game in the garbagetime of another lost season.

Stats: 36min 4pts (2-8, 1-5, 0-2) 4reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Salmons ( F ) -- I believe this is the second F in row for John. Not sure because I started drinking heavily after watching John in the first half. 36 minutes, and 5 pts. Wow! You'd think that a player could accidently accomplish more than Salmons did in that amount of time on the floor. I have a ton of notes, but I'm not going to bore you with them. Except for a few nice passes, he was terrible. In the first half, he struggled on the defensive side of the ball as well. He was 2 of 8 overall, and 1 of 5 from the three. Just about all my notes say, "John misses another three". I know he didn't mean to miss them, and to some extent, I blame Smart for giving him 36 minutes of playing time. Sometimes its obvious when a player just doesn't have it. And he didn't! He added a couple of turnovers to his line tonight as well, and to be honest, a couple of turnovers wouldn't be a big deal if he had done something positive somewhere else. I'm looking at my notes, and I can't find anything.....--Baja

Stats: 37min 18pts (8-13, 0-0, 2-2) 8reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( B ) -- It looked for a while like JT was going to implode when he got the technical. But he managed to pull himself together and really play well the rest of the game. He started the game well enough by backing in on Udoh and scoring on a right handed hookshot. A bit later, on a pass from Salmons, he triple fakepumped and got it up between Dalembert and Udoh. No mean feat! After missing a 15 footer on a pass from IT, he headed to the bench. He returned with 4:09 left in the 2nd quarter, which was uneventful except for missing a hookshot. He started the second half by getting fouled and hitting both freethrows. After missing a shot under the basket, he obviously made a comment about the heritage of the ref, and got a technical. He did a repeat performance on the miss, but not technical this time, and then he was off to the races. He grabbed a tough rebound and put it back in. He then scored on a hookshot. He followed that by scoring with a little flipshot. He scored again on a putback of an IT miss. Then he hit an 18 footer. All or most of this happened after Cousin's ejection, so he did a good job of stepping up in a time of need. Good game for JT tonight! --Baja

Stats: 28min 29pts (10-12, 0-0, 4-4) 10reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Cousins ( A/DUMB ) -- amusingly I was already considering a split grade for Boogie even before seeing Capt.'s response to the most recent Boogie meltdown. A story I have related a few more times than it deserves, but with applicability again here -- I got kicked out of my final high school football game. I was a tough and fierce player, always on edge out there, sometimes dirty, not often popular with the guys I was beating up on. And on one play in the third quarter of that game suddenly a dude crashed into my knee from the side. So I did the only rational thing and I raised my leg up and kicked him in the face. Hard. Truth was feeling your knee buckle like that is scary, and being 17 and angry I was of course convinced he did it on purpose (the dude, also being 17 had written laughable things like "Kill" and "Maim" with little lightning bolts around them on his ripper pads). Turns out he had been blocked into me, and in my own defense I will say that if I had gone to the sidelines, and they had told me that, that I would not have come out and kicked the guy in the face anyway. I was young, dumb, and angry. Not DeMarcus. So...back to Boogie.
I had a whole bunch of notes about Boogie's actual game building up. He completely dominated this one. Our other center, who alas is wearing a different uniform because this franchise is fundamentally stupid as a 17yr old itself, was posing a real roadblock around the rim, so Boogie opend up the full scope of his versatility and peppered Daly with long jumpers. Then when the Bucks started bringing in their waves of scrawy/unudersized backup bigs, Boogie just manhandled them. He was on his way to a huge night, sitting at 24pts 10rebs, barely missing a shot (10-12FG). The jumper was on, the flips were falling, he was pinning guys and powering it up. There have been several games of late where Boogie has looked like everything he will hopefully one day be. Unfortunately here today, he is still Boogie. And late in the third quarter, he made like me in high school. Dunleavy undercut him apparently inadvertently while trying to block him out on the break -- I say apparently because if somebody did that to me when I was 17 I might have kicked him in the face too. He dove really low on Boogie, collapsed his knee inward, and I know that one. Boogie went down grabbing his knee, and its scary. A dude could blow your knee out that way. Thing is, DeMarcus did not kick him in the face on the spot. Frankly if he had, I would have gotten that to some degree. I know that reaction. You stay away from my knees. But this is Boogie. He makes himself hard to defend, on court and off. The world is out to get him, and he's not going to lay down and take it. ever. no matter how long, stupid, or irrational his attempts to get back at all the meanies are. He won't let things go. Ever. So instead of an immediate response, a timeout is called, he goes over to the huddle, Coach "Smart", somehow not knowing his animal after a year and a half with him, leaves him in the game. Which is...duh. And so Boogie comes out of the timeout, immediately finds Dunleavy and starts jawing with him. 1 technical. More duh. Smart still doesn't take him out. MORE duh. Play resumes. Dunleavy runs through the lane. Boogie elbows him to the head. Flagrant, automatic technical. Bye bye Boogie. Duh duh duh. And just that quick is how you lose a dominant center with the mentality of an angry 17yr old. And its how a clear A, maybe even an A+, ends up as a dual grade disappointment. If it makes everyone feel better, you do grow out of it. Or at least I did. --Brick

Stats: 31min 16pts (8-17, 1-3, 3-4) 5reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( B-/A ) -- Tyreke started the game out by being too aggressive, missing layups on drives that weren't there and even turning the ball over on a bad drive. Then he hit four shots in a row, including an open three, before basically shutting down his offense for the game. He only made one basket on five attempts (and 3/4 FTs) between going out at the 3:10 mark of the first quarter and his basket at the 1 minute mark that brought the Kings within three. He made two subsequent layups, one on a spin move in the lane and another on a drive (both to bring the Kings within one), but with the shot clock off the Kings had to foul both times, only to front-rim the desperation three that he should never have had to take - Jimmer was SO fouled getting the rebound on his missed FT. For the last three minutes of the game he did almost nothing wrong, including playing some tough D on Monta Ellis, but it wasn't quite enough. In the end, Evans ended up with three assists, but he was moving the ball better than the number indicate, with teammates missing shots - notably starting the third quarter by getting the ball to JT deep in the lane on three possessions in a row with JT coming up empty all three times. Defensively the numbers were outstanding, with Tyreke only allowing 11 points on 14 shots, though the fact that he was mostly guarding Ellis gives one a bit of an expectation of low efficiency. All in all, though, Tyreke had a good start and a great finish bookending a mediocre middle (including two really bad plays in the second - once getting destroyed on an Ellis drive for a layup, and then missing a wild layup with about 20 seconds on the clock instead of holding for the final shot). That taken into account, I can't give Evans more than a B- despite the push at the end. He gets the secondary A for not taking himself out of the game while the best player on the floor by intentionally elbowing an opponent in the head.--Capt.

Stats: 35min 20pts (4-16, 1-5, 5-6) 5reb 9ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thomas ( D+/A ) -- IT had basically nothing at all going for most of the first three quarters, going 0-7 before Cousins got himself tossed. At that point, IT briefly led the Kings on a scoring spurt, pouring in 9 points in I believe four possessions on two layups, a three, and a pair of free throws. But after that one stretch he went 1-6 the rest of the game with his only bucket coming on a goaltend. Thomas came out at the 3:38 mark in the fourth, just in time for us to mount our furious comeback without him. Hmm. If you look at the box score, the one good thing IT had going for him were his nine assists. Nine Hometown assists, I think, because I counted three assists, two passes that I probably wouldn't have given assist credit for, and then four where I don't even know where they came from. Normally if I miss one I figure I just missed it, but four? When I'm deliberately watching? Maybe it's an off day, but I think the scorer was being friendly. Defensively, the Bucks didn't really take it to IT nearly as much as you might expect. He started out the first six minutes of the first playing pretty well, but from there it was mostly the same old IT. He allowed 13 points on 11 shots - not terrible - but I've written in my notes in bold font about the play in the fourth quarter in transition where he inexplicably left Jennings, who had the ball mind you, to cover a man spreading out to the wing. Jennings said "thank you very much" and hit a completely uncontested three. Way to go, IT. Good thinking. Leave the guy with the ball. So, in total, his offense was inefficient, his defense was what we've come to expect, I don't think his passing was as good as advertised, and we went on a huge run when he came out of the game. He's done better. He gets the secondary A for not taking himself out of the game while the best player on the floor by intentionally elbowing an opponent in the head.--Capt.
 
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Bench

Stats: 25min 9pts (4-9, 1-3, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( C- ) -- ok, so a second sputtereing game in the last 3. The funny thing about these games is how much you can feel Marcus searching for that extra gear and just not finding it. Was quiet as the first wore down and it was the Demarcus show, then started the second joining Salmons and IT taking stupid shots off his dribble, stupid bricks I should say. Finally did maybe the first good thing of his night at the 4min mark of the third when he hit a standstill three, and followed that with a tough/dumb forced layup that fell. But outside of that burst did not do much except repeatedly leave Dunleavy open at the three point line as he became the latest SWERTOG (shooter we refuse to guard). Not getting his shots as it became all IT all the time, but then even when he got them missed back to beck threes at the 9min mark. Finally hit another 1 on 1 pullup jumper with 7min to go and added a ridiculously tough/ill advised/impressive shot on the baseline while being smothered as IT dribbled away 16 seconds of clock and Marcus took the rest getting himself into the absolutely toughest position he could on the court and hit anyway. --Brick

Stats: 17min 3pts (1-6, 1-2, 1-2) 3reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 0TO
Patterson ( D ) -- Patrick played hard, and had a couple of good moments here and there. But for the most part, his night was below par. He did play very good defense at times, and although he only had 3 boards, he battled under the basket, and got a couple of tips to his teammates. But he did go 1 for 6 from the floor, and missed a couple of shots very badly, actually hitting the side of the backboard while shooting an open three from the corner. He was 1 of 2 from behind the arc, and a couple of his misses under the basket were understandable. One where he recieved a long pass that he was lucky to grab and throw up a wild shot. The other, a shot directly under the basket, where I don't think he realized exactly where he was when he caught the ball. But a miss is a miss. I think Patterson is a pretty good player and its taking him a little while to find his nitch. --Baja

Stats: 4min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( INC ) -- Two INC's in a row. He only played 4 minutes in the game. He did take one shot, and score, but that was about it. Chuck seems to be getting squeezed for minutes lately, since Smart appears to be going to more of a three man rotation of Cousins, JT, and Patterson. And of course, his occasional midget lineup. --Baja

Stats: 3min 0pts (0-2, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( LOL ) -- in for no reason in the 2nd and rewarded that move as usual as we did the collpasing scrub bench thing again in the early 2nd. Well, I say no reason. How about because our coach sincerely is not very bright? --Brick

Stats: 9min 14pts (5-6, 1-2, 3-4) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( B+ ) -- this was almsot deserving of a split grade itself -- Jimmer played 9 minutes in this game, and for 6 of those 9 miunutes he sucked again as he has pretty conistently done since the All Star break -- Jimmer entered the game 6-22 in the last 4 games he'd played in. And in the 2nd it looked like more of the same. Lacking confidence, getting little accomplished until at the very end of his stint Cousisn found him on the semi-break and he truned down the three he has just not been feeling to drive isnide and throw the ball high off the glass for a +1. That was it though, and if the coach had not thrwon up his hands and thoguht he was waving the white flag, that likely would have been it for the whole game as there was nothing in that ifrst half performance to suggest more minutes. But then a funny thing happened. The coach DID wave the semi-white flag, and with 3 minutes to go and the game apparently spiraling out of control in came Jimmer and Cole Aldrich...and all of a sudden everything changed. Immediately hit a three in the semibreak off of good ball movement at the 3:40mark, then snuck in for multiple little jumpers in the paint, and finally forced a drive through traffic and snuck in another +1. I got the feeling the Bucks thought they were in garbagetime, but boom, just like that we had a real chance, Reke came alive, Aldrich helped, and in the final seconds Jimmer ended up at the line with us down three. He hit the first, intentionally missed the second on an intentional miss play that was well executed and worked and seemed to me to clearly be fouled when he got the missed FT back, whihc would have sent him to the line with a chance to tie it. But the refs, who secodns earlier had sent Jimmer to the line on a phantom call we did dnot want, now ignored a baltant mugging and Reek was left to throw up a desperation three at the buzzer that got rim but not net. So...what to do for a grade here. --Brick

Stats: 12min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Douglas ( D/A ) -- Douglas only played 4 minutes in the first half, but they were definitively poor minutes. Although he gave his typical defensive effort, the Bucks still managed to beat him once on a screen, once on a drive, and once on a baseline cut. Offensively he didn't shoot even once (though he should have taken a layup in transition) while turning the ball over three times on three bad passes. He played a bit at the end of the third, beginning of fourth, but didn't really get much done outside of one assist. Three TOs to one assist and nothing else going earns Toney another bad grade. He gets the secondary A for not taking himself out of the game while the best player on the floor by intentionally elbowing an opponent in the head. --Capt.

Stats: 3min 3pts (1-3, 0-0, 1-1) 3reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Aldrich ( B+ ) -- 3min falls well short of my grading cutoff, but I'm goign to venture one here anyway because Cole Aldrich of all people impacted this game for us in an important way. Was thrown in really in an act of surrender by the coach, and gave us an immediate shot in the arm with instant productivity, got a rebound, finished inside on an awkward up and under +1 from Reke, had the bucks throw the ball rightto him for a steal, and generally made little things happen inside as Jimmer and then Reke scored the other way. The offense quickly returned to fugly as Reke must have been dreaming of DeAndre as JT and Aldrich blew opportunity after opportunity he set up for them inside. But Cole hustled around in there, saved balls and kept his own misses alive, and in the end our last rush would not have been possible wihtout him out there.--Brick
 
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play Aldrich from now on. hes a million times more useful than Hayes.
IT tried to be a Hero but Failed.
Jimmer almost was a Hero but got f'd by the refs.
Keith Smart continues to troll us.
 
Counting down the days until we have a real coach. It's getting old watching us play like we're chickens with our heads cut off. There's no structure, no on-court leadership, no hierarchy on offense, no communication on defense. We need someone who comes in immediately and says "We're doing X, Y and Z and if you don't follow X, Y, and Z, you won't see the floor".
 
I voted Aldrich just because.

I liked him a lot at Kansas, and I wanted us to target him if we landed outside the top 7 or so. Once the lottery happened, I knew he wasn't a realistic option at 5, but I still believe he can be a rotation player. I'll most likely have to fall on that sword eventually, but not yet :)

That being said ... these are usually the kind of games that earn a player at least one more night of playing time. He wasn't huge down the stretch, but he made some plays. I like how he rolls to the basket, he seems to get good position underneath the rim, and he's always been able to block shots and rebound. I'd like to see more.

In 4 minutes Chuck Hayes was a -12 , scored 2 points, grabbed 0 rebounds, had 0 AST, and had one foul and one turnover.

In 3 minutes Cole Aldrich was a +10, scored 3 points, grabbed 3 rebounds, and also managed to get an AST and a steal.
 
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Imo we should have won that game but played poorly, we match up well with the Bucks and they were coming of a game the night before.

Cousins: played great until he went Nick Diaz on us (wonder if he will get a 1 game suspension), still would have liked to see him use his jump hook a bit more.

JT: Rough start but played well again didn't really take any bad shots and tried hard, good effort

Reke: solid but still making dumb choices

IT: Not his fault the coach keeps giving him mins he shouldn't be getting

Salmons: how many times during 1 season can one player fail and keep getting mins, seriously get Patterson @ the 3 we don't need another ball handler out there with the first unit, PPatt is smart/long enough to at least D some of the 3's in the L plus hes not a ball stopper and has good bball IQ.

Jimmer: played well (I still think he sucks), Thornton didn't play well and thats about it.

Toney D: our best overall PG rotting on the bench....great coaching by "champion" Smart.

Should have won that game Bucks are a good match up but it is what it is solid effort but.....yeah

While the ejection was completely DMC fault for being dumb, I can't understand why Smart would not take him out of the game after the technical and seeing hes pissed off and more than likely going to do something idiotic.
 
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In first 3 quarters, or most of them, Kings horribly outscored in the paint, at home, with Cuz and JT, etc. Again, poor to no rotations on defense and poor perimeter defense. But missing so many open shots is still a big mystery. Oh well, if I'm not going to like the Capt. grades then I probably will like what he has to write. Couldn't help thinking of this old Sinatra song:

Its quarter to three,
There's no one in the place cept you and me
So set em up joe
I got a little story I think you oughtta know

Were drinking my friend
To the end of a brief episode
So make it one for my baby
And one more for the road

 
Reke gets an F for no heart. IT has "it".

Is this some kind of joke or did I miss something? It's getting so hard to even read some of the crap posted around here nowadays. Kenny Thomas played with no heart. Tony Massenburg played with no brains. Bobby Jackson had "it"...Isaiah Thomas might have "it" if he could learn to be more like Bobby and less like our Big Lots version of Kobe Bryant.
 
Naaasssty. I don't recall ever seeing a player like Knight at any level of basketball so utterly posterized into the hardwood floor like that.

At least Knight tried. Most players just move out of the way because they're afraid to get posterized. I respect the hell out of the guys who just go for it instead of stepping out of the way because they don't want to get "embarrassed".
 
Not as nasty but heres DJ over former Kings Jon Brockman in similar but not as brutal fashion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_44_3909BxY

Not even close but interesting. Check out the ball after mighty dunk as Knight falls to the floor with a second huge thump sounding on the play. Did the ball also hit or graze him laying there dazed? Seems like its angle in blasting on into the stands must have hit him in the head or someones shoe perhaps.
 
Is this some kind of joke or did I miss something? It's getting so hard to even read some of the crap posted around here nowadays. Kenny Thomas played with no heart. Tony Massenburg played with no brains. Bobby Jackson had "it"...Isaiah Thomas might have "it" if he could learn to be more like Bobby and less like our Big Lots version of Kobe Bryant.

Start around post #173 or so of the Game thread (since I'm about 95% sure we don't use the same board settings, I won't even guess what "page" that's on for you). It won't take long to get up to speed. Also, when you get a minute, consider doing a Bing search on Poe's Law.
 
Start around post #173 or so of the Game thread (since I'm about 95% sure we don't use the same board settings, I won't even guess what "page" that's on for you). It won't take long to get up to speed. Also, when you get a minute, consider doing a Bing search on Poe's Law.

Thanks. Found it. Words fail me...

Reke gets an F for no heart. IT has "it".

My apologies for my rant above. I get "it" now.

;)
 
I voted Aldrich just because.

I liked him a lot at Kansas, and I wanted us to target him if we landed outside the top 7 or so. Once the lottery happened, I knew he wasn't a realistic option at 5, but I still believe he can be a rotation player. I'll most likely have to fall on that sword eventually, but not yet :)

That being said ... these are usually the kind of games that earn a player at least one more night of playing time. He wasn't huge down the stretch, but he made some plays. I like how he rolls to the basket, he seems to get good position underneath the rim, and he's always been able to block shots and rebound. I'd like to see more.

In 4 minutes Chuck Hayes was a -12 , scored 2 points, grabbed 0 rebounds, had 0 AST, and had one foul and one turnover.

In 3 minutes Cole Aldrich was a +10, scored 3 points, grabbed 3 rebounds, and also managed to get an AST and a steal.

I feel like I have to read through the entire game thread to find out what I missed tonight....

Cole Aldrich? He was effective?

So far I've gathered this: DMC Ejected, Smart his usual self, Reke has heart, Cole was useful, Jimmer was huge for us but didn't get a call and we missed a FT on purpose which almost helped us win.
 
Jimmer missed a free throw on purpose, got his own rebound, went to put up a shot and basically got bear-hugged with no call and the ball rolled to tyreke who thre up a 3 that almost went it.
 
Start around post #173 or so of the Game thread (since I'm about 95% sure we don't use the same board settings, I won't even guess what "page" that's on for you). It won't take long to get up to speed. Also, when you get a minute, consider doing a Bing search on Poe's Law.

I'm biting -- I think I'll look up Poe's Law first and then read the game thread -- it's like a mystery
 
It's amazing to think that DMC would let even Dunleavy get the better of him but I guess I'm not all that surprised. Just another chapter in the ongoing saga of DMC's ridiculous behavior this year. I'm telling you, this is NOT the guy you want to build your franchise around. I have no problem waiting it out to get the best possible trade value out of him but he's not who you want as your franchise guy. I don't care what kind of numbers he puts up. He will NEVER win a championship on any team.
 
It's amazing to think that DMC would let even Dunleavy get the better of him but I guess I'm not all that surprised. Just another chapter in the ongoing saga of DMC's ridiculous behavior this year. I'm telling you, this is NOT the guy you want to build your franchise around. I have no problem waiting it out to get the best possible trade value out of him but he's not who you want as your franchise guy. I don't care what kind of numbers he puts up. He will NEVER win a championship on any team.


I'm curious if you watched the nba in the 80's. The biggest stars of all time reacted the same or worse when provoked. Now the league has changed and DMC is ridiculously immature but reacting violently to provocation was not always a sign of impending career failure. I personally would love to see him get his maturity under control but would have no problem with that being balanced by a killer instinct and bulldog mentality (including dropping someone more discreetly when its called for).
 
It feels the League caught up with the fact that you can provoke Cousins and get him out of the game. More so it seems you can get away easily with dirty moves since Cousins is automatically guilty.
 
I'm curious if you watched the nba in the 80's. The biggest stars of all time reacted the same or worse when provoked. Now the league has changed and DMC is ridiculously immature but reacting violently to provocation was not always a sign of impending career failure. I personally would love to see him get his maturity under control but would have no problem with that being balanced by a killer instinct and bulldog mentality (including dropping someone more discreetly when its called for).

This isn't the 80's anymore. There are a lot of crimes you could get away with in the 1800's but i doubt that'll hold up in court.

the league is the league, i love that Cuz needs to win, i like that attitude. If only he could focus that passion in the right way. The way to answer Dunleavy would have been to go and dunk in his face and school him, elbowing him in the head was probably the wrong way.
 
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