Dwayne Casey was on NBA radio a day after the draft. He basically said that if the Kings took Ivey the Pistons would take Murray. There seemed to have been two tiers in the top 5. Banchero/Holmgren/Smith in tier 1 and Murray/Ivey in tier 2. Just as Houston took who was left in tier 1 at pick 3, Detroit took who was left in tier 2 at pick 5. There was no trade down scenario for Monte if he wanted Murray.
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If I were to jump to conclusions after the Hali draft, then I would not have predicted all his skills would translate (specifically his shooting).
That draft netted us an All-Star.
If I were to jump to conclusions after the Davion draft, then I would not have predicted all his skills would translate (specifically his shot creation).
That draft netted us a starting NBA-caliber pg.
I don't think it's wise to jump to conclusions anymore. Monte has done a good job drafting talent and I trust he made the right decision.
As a side-note Ivey seems like a weirdo, and I'm not even talking about the crying like a baby. I posted a pic during the draft where prospects are happy and smiling. Ivey's body language, attitude and remarks don't sit right with me and just seem really 'off' at times.
That draft netted us an All-Star.
If I were to jump to conclusions after the Davion draft, then I would not have predicted all his skills would translate (specifically his shot creation).
That draft netted us a starting NBA-caliber pg.
I don't think it's wise to jump to conclusions anymore. Monte has done a good job drafting talent and I trust he made the right decision.
As a side-note Ivey seems like a weirdo, and I'm not even talking about the crying like a baby. I posted a pic during the draft where prospects are happy and smiling. Ivey's body language, attitude and remarks don't sit right with me and just seem really 'off' at times.
We'll see soon enough. Summer league is around the corner. I would expect that if Murray is as as good as some think (better than Mikal Bridges and much better than Lyles) and Queta is as good as they think then the Kings should have the best frontcourt of the summer league teams; if their backcourt treads water they should win the summer league championship, accordingly. Too bad Mitchell isn't going to play. It would begin his familiarization with Murray sooner rather than later.
I assign the Kings a solid B. I have ZERO issues with us drafting Murray, although I would have personally went with Ivey. Ivey was 1a on my list of who I would most like to have seen the Kings draft, while Murray was 1b.
The only issue I have is with how Monte managed the 2nd round picks. I would have preferred to see him package both in order to move up to either the late first round, or early second round. I understand that he did try to move up to draft someone, but I would have moved up even if I couldn't have gotten my guy. Draft someone. Anyone. If nothing else, he could've potentially been an asset to throw into a larger trade at some point.
The only issue I have is with how Monte managed the 2nd round picks. I would have preferred to see him package both in order to move up to either the late first round, or early second round. I understand that he did try to move up to draft someone, but I would have moved up even if I couldn't have gotten my guy. Draft someone. Anyone. If nothing else, he could've potentially been an asset to throw into a larger trade at some point.
So i've read a few different things that said basically if the Kings traded down past 5, no chance on Murray.
So if Murray is the guy, and you couple have Mathurin and Duarte for him and in that scenario you don't see that as value you do what they did and just take your guy.
The national media is trying to wrap their heads around it, which is pretty funny right now. We shall see if they were correct.
So if Murray is the guy, and you couple have Mathurin and Duarte for him and in that scenario you don't see that as value you do what they did and just take your guy.
The national media is trying to wrap their heads around it, which is pretty funny right now. We shall see if they were correct.
Here's an example of the type of double standard applied to the Kings in this type of instant analysis...
From nbadraft.net's Situational Analysis of Keegan Murray (pre-draft):
From the same author, NBA Draft Instant Analysis (the grade was B-):
And from the same website, Western Conference Grades:
From nbadraft.net's Situational Analysis of Keegan Murray (pre-draft):
From the same author, NBA Draft Instant Analysis (the grade was B-):
And from the same website, Western Conference Grades:
Well run franchises get the benefit of the doubt. The Spurs, Patriots, and Ravens rarely get criticized after the draft because writers don't want to look dumb with their hot takes in their ridiculous grades articles. Even the Grizzlies didn't get much if any grief for trading up in the 1st round to get two guys that most mocks had in the early 2nd round. That's because they've had success targeting their players and getting them and then having them be great fits.
The Kings will be punching bags until they prove they're a competent franchise.
The Kings will be punching bags until they prove they're a competent franchise.
Sure, I get that. But for the same writer to say pre-draft that Keegan Murray is perfect for the Kings and they'll probably do something dumb like pick another guard over him and then also bump them down a few spots for passing on the upside of Jaden Ivey is basically just assuming your own conclusion -- the the Kings will make the wrong move no matter what. And I don't think that's fair or even reasonable. If you think Ivey is the better pick then at least be consistent about that. And the other writer's take was more about penalizing the Kings for their past mistakes than even analyzing this pick. Monte made the right pick with Haliburton and it's too early to say with Mitchell but he doesn't look like a bad pick so far either. I don't think Vlade passing on Bagley is even relevant anymore. That was 4 years ago with a different front office and coaching staff.
I don't disagree at all. But the flipside of lazy writers treating some teams as if they can do no wrong is to treat teams like the Kings, Knicks etc as if every move they make is somehow the wrong one.
I remember reading that you only have to show up early to a new job for something like 6 or 8 work days for it to cement your reputation as being one of the first employees to arrive each day. Even if you stop doing it it will take weeks or months for people to let go of that perception.
It's the same in sports. Teams get a reputation as a defensive powerhouse and most of the media holds on to that perception long after it's stopped being true.
It doesn't matter that McNair wasn't involved with the Bagley/Doncic draft, or that his first few first round picks have been shown to be good players. Reputations take a long time to build up and a long time to wear down, especially among the national media.
I remember reading that you only have to show up early to a new job for something like 6 or 8 work days for it to cement your reputation as being one of the first employees to arrive each day. Even if you stop doing it it will take weeks or months for people to let go of that perception.
It's the same in sports. Teams get a reputation as a defensive powerhouse and most of the media holds on to that perception long after it's stopped being true.
It doesn't matter that McNair wasn't involved with the Bagley/Doncic draft, or that his first few first round picks have been shown to be good players. Reputations take a long time to build up and a long time to wear down, especially among the national media.
I agree Monte made correct pick
But Duarte and Mathurin at 6 was probably very tempting If pacers threw in a 2023 1st with some protection Monte might have jumped at two wings and a 1st
Fox Mitchell
DDV, Duarte
Mathurin
Barnes Lyles
Sabonis Holmes
Sounds like a very good 9 man rotation
TD, Holiday, Harkless, Metu, Jones, Len to get to 15
But Duarte and Mathurin at 6 was probably very tempting If pacers threw in a 2023 1st with some protection Monte might have jumped at two wings and a 1st
Fox Mitchell
DDV, Duarte
Mathurin
Barnes Lyles
Sabonis Holmes
Sounds like a very good 9 man rotation
TD, Holiday, Harkless, Metu, Jones, Len to get to 15
I had very similar thoughts when I read the rumor of the Pacers offer, letting my mind run with it as well in this hypothetical…what if we swap 4 for Duarte and 6. Trade 6 and Barnes for Collins and 16 with Hawks. At 16 take Griffin.
Fox / Mitchell
Duarte / DDV
Griffin
Collins / Lyles
Sabonis / Holmes
Being hypothetical I didn’t look in salary too much but I think we’re cooking with gas if all that were to happen.
Fox / Mitchell
Duarte / DDV
Griffin
Collins / Lyles
Sabonis / Holmes
Being hypothetical I didn’t look in salary too much but I think we’re cooking with gas if all that were to happen.
Yes, it’s unfair to assume Murray will be better than everyone else, who was drafted behind him. So I’ll narrow it. Daniels > Murray by the end of their first contract. (Daniels + Duarte) > Murray next year. Push? I win, because Murray needs to be levels better in either scenario to justify the pick.
Early to grade, but - feeling a B. I like what I've seen of his shooting which is "the name of the game". If he can be a great shooter and defender, good pick. I liked Ivey on 1st impressions, but will see - the Kings need a great shooter....and Murray's shot looks to fit the bill- quick release is a bonus.
