George Karl Officially Signed (Sacramento Bee Tweets)

It's amusing that fans of the team that went through the Maloof saga can confuse aggressive and risky moves aimed at building a better team with passivity and profiteering designed at cutting costs, disengaging from and alienating the fanbase and community, and ultimately relocating.

The LA Lakers were lambasted in the media much worse for their handling of the Kobe / Phil / Shaq drama. They jettisoned a HOF player and fan favorite to appease a younger talent with higher upside, and in the process let the GOAT coach walk away. Their commitment to winning at all costs - including blowing up an adored and historically great team - resulted in winning two more championships.

Stockholm Syndrome? I'd say that the fans who pride themselves on second-guessing strong and risky ownership moves, who call for the murder of our GM, and who claim over and over that they could do a better job if given the reigns, is a symptom of bitter and resentful fans who stopped caring about believing in a team, uniting behind it, and recognizing solid creative moves. Fans who apparently are content to always believe that the sky is falling, and would rather act like know-it-alls on the internet and have reduced their fandom to masochistic exercise in watching losing efforts in order to make themselves feel smarter by comparison.

The problem with this entire argument is there are no positive results to validate it. The Lakers example resulted in positive results - 2 titles. Until the same happens here, you're basing your opinion strictly on faith and nothing more.

Criticizing others for not sharing your faith when the the franchise hasn't shown anything in nearly 10 years is ridiculous. Sure, the new ownership group has only been in place for a season and a half, but what has changed? The team on the court right now is playing as poorly as it did under previous ownership. The only time things were going well, the front office and ownership blew it up with what is still widely viewed within NBA circles as a highly questionable decision to fire a respected, up and coming coach. Factor in the handling of that situation, along with this delayed coaching hire and perceived mistreatment of Ty Corbin, and it's clear why most level headed fans don't share your enthusiasm.

Make all the excuses you want. Be as optimistic as you want. But acting as if this management group deserves praise or the benefit of the doubt in regards to their supposed "strong and risky moves" is laughable. They've accomplished nothing to earn either. Furthermore, the "strong and risky" moves you refer to are largely knee jerk, reactionary or not well thought out.

Their way of doing things has not only alienated fans, but irritated their top 2 players and caused coaches, players, execs and media around the league to question their credibility.
 
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It's amusing that fans of the team that went through the Maloof saga can confuse aggressive and risky moves aimed at building a better team with passivity and profiteering designed at cutting costs, disengaging from and alienating the fanbase and community, and ultimately relocating.

The LA Lakers were lambasted in the media much worse for their handling of the Kobe / Phil / Shaq drama. They jettisoned a HOF player and fan favorite to appease a younger talent with higher upside, and in the process let the GOAT coach walk away. Their commitment to winning at all costs - including blowing up an adored and historically great team - resulted in winning two more championships.

Stockholm Syndrome? I'd say that the fans who pride themselves on second-guessing strong and risky ownership moves, who call for the murder of our GM, and who claim over and over that they could do a better job if given the reigns, is a symptom of bitter and resentful fans who stopped caring about believing in a team, uniting behind it, and recognizing solid creative moves. Fans who apparently are content to always believe that the sky is falling, and would rather act like know-it-alls on the internet and have reduced their fandom to masochistic exercise in watching losing efforts in order to make themselves feel smarter by comparison.
You say that like its a bad thing. :)

There's a certain pride in being a fan of the most poorly run organization in sports for about a decade straight. That's certainly part of it. No denying that. Weaker willed fans bailed a long long time ago. Heck, fans from November are nowhere to be found.

We are all fans. We all want the team to win. We all hope like heck Karl is the key to that.

Now remove Mullin and PDA, and we really might be onto something.
 
Now that the BS is over, time to focus on the product on the court. Does anyone mind providing a summary (I know copy and pasting of Insider stuff isn't allowed) of this article from Kevin Pelton on Karl's coaching style for the Kings?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...ths-george-karl-takeover-sacramento-kings-nba
It talks about the myths about him and why they're wrong or right.

1)Has to run
2)Can't coach a big man
3)Master of the midseason Turnaround
4)Can't win the playoffs

The conclusion is 1 and 2 are untrue. Both have been discussed to death here.

3 and 4 true. 4 is especially true, as Karl's teams have won fewer playoff series relative to expectations that any other coach in the NBA since 1984 when playoffs expanded to 16 teams. There's another article linked that goes into those details, but Karl is 100 out of 100 coaches in wins above expected in the playoffs.
 
According to WOJ
14/15 : $1.25M
15/16 : $3.25M
16/17 : $5M
17/18 : $5M ($1.5M guarantee)

the 1.5 guarantee is an oddity. The front office won that part since George would normally have been guaranteed the full amount without that clause.

On the other hand George's people being saavy by backloading the deal. Makes him very expensive to fire after next year, but cheap to fire after Yr 3. If I were them I would have built in a performance clause that would have triggered a fully guaranteed 4th Yr. Win 55 games, make the 2nd round of the playoffs, etc. , and the buyout gets cancelled.
 
The current FO has bumbled their way into the best HC and the best roster we've had since 2005. Make of that what you will
 
Well what makes you right? You are stating an opinion. Did I say you were wrong?


you must be blind to the s***storm in the organization since the firing of michael malone. i don't even need to explain since it's been hashed, rehashed here on the forum and in the media.
 
I am genuinely more optimistic about our long-term future today than I was when we were 9-6. Again, I like Malone and was annoyed by the firing and waiting time, but I can rationally see that we are better off today than in September of 2014.

I care more about basketball than PR, but I'm starting to think the majority of posters here disagree.

In a vacuum, this is obviously a good hire at a great contact. No one's against that. To your point about pr vs basketball, they're intertwined. In the NBA, as in life, it's not just that you got there, but how you did it.

In the short term, I guess some people can say it's all gravy. But in the long term? Vivek is a liar and conniving. He basically conned Rudy Gay into signing, then discarded that coach after the best start in years. He trotted out the interim, gave him the thumbs up, then proceeded to have a very public courting with Karl.

Yeah, he got the pretty girl in the end. But look at how he had to do it. It's despicable. Maybe you don't care, but coaches and players do. Which means agents do. Which means other owners and GMs do.

He just put the whole league on notice that he doesn't care for being respectful. He just wants what he wants. And who wants to deal with that?

I'd rather have an average owner and Malone as coach than the diva and Karl. Vivek needs to change how he conducts NBA business or this hiring may be the high spot of the next decade.
 
the 1.5 guarantee is an oddity. The front office won that part since George would normally have been guaranteed the full amount without that clause.

On the other hand George's people being saavy by backloading the deal. Makes him very expensive to fire after next year, but cheap to fire after Yr 3. If I were them I would have built in a performance clause that would have triggered a fully guaranteed 4th Yr. Win 55 games, make the 2nd round of the playoffs, etc. , and the buyout gets cancelled.

One important thing to remember is that '17-'18 is a potential lockout year. We probably pushed very hard to avoid giving Karl a guarantee in that year for the simple fact that the season might not happen. You'd hate to spend $5M on a coach who doesn't have a team to coach.
 
Find ONE reputable source outside of Kingsfans.com saying that we're worse off today than at the start of the season. Because everyone else who follows the NBA is calling this a good hire.

I am genuinely more optimistic about our long-term future today than I was when we were 9-6. Again, I like Malone and was annoyed by the firing and waiting time, but I can rationally see that we are better off today than in September of 2014.

I care more about basketball than PR, but I'm starting to think the majority of posters here disagree.


I agree that we are heading in the right direction. In some respects this season has already been a success given that we now have Rudy for a few years with a better contract and also now have a proven head coach. "Getting better on paper," will have a short honeymoon however. At some point, this will need to translate into wins and I think it will take a better back-court.

I am totally with you though, I could care less about PR and fan perception. I just want to see good , winning basketball and I realize that progress is usually a journey of 3 steps forward followed by 2 steps back, followed by another 3 steps forward and so on.
 
One important thing to remember is that '17-'18 is a potential lockout year. We probably pushed very hard to avoid giving Karl a guarantee in that year for the simple fact that the season might not happen. You'd hate to spend $5M on a coach who doesn't have a team to coach.

Ah, that was the lockout negotiation.

And its really stupid that we have to talk about timed "lockout years" every 5-6 seasons now.

Yo people, if every single contract you have a lockout/strike not only is it a sign that you are failing as negotiators, it is flat coasting you more money than you are earning back by pushing a percentage point 1 or 2 points either way.
 
Awesome stuff. Can't wait for 2/20.


Hopefully PDA can make some moves at the deadline to make the bench better at the very least
 
Well, now that we have a competent coach in place, I've decided to purchase tickets to see them play the Clippers in LA. I doubt things get turned around by then, but I hope to already see a difference in the way we play and compete.

Time to muster up the excitement again!
 
On the George Karl salary - Far be it from me to praise PDA as he has done some tremendously stupid things in his time here but he obviously knows how to negotiate. He extended Rudy for a very reasonable, some would say cheaper contract than expected and now he gets coach Karl for well below what many thought would be the going rate. At least he is good at something.

On SVG - he does have a point as Corbin and Malone were treated disgracefully by the franchise. Having said that SVG should be the last person who throws stones at the Kings since he was negotiating with us a few years back and bailed at the last minute faxing his contract to Orlando from Kinko in Sacramento. Hardly a class act there either.
 
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