I don't disagree with what you said. I'm just saying he probably realized he shouldn't have said it publicly.
George Karl, Mark Jackson or ??? (merged)
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I don't disagree with what you said. I'm just saying he probably realized he shouldn't have said it publicly.
BenThePizzaGuy
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Doug Collins?
That's a name I'm throwing out there and I think was a good coach and got a major underdog 8th seed 76ers team to the 2nd round and game 7 in the playoffs a few years back.
That's a name I'm throwing out there and I think was a good coach and got a major underdog 8th seed 76ers team to the 2nd round and game 7 in the playoffs a few years back.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Being an ex-baseball player I have my thoughts on Beane. All I'll say publicly is that what Beane does in baseball, will fail most of the time in basketball. Personally I don't like it in baseball. Beane hasn't won any championships. The best he can do is get into the playoffs and go out in the first round. You can never have a favorite player because as soon as he's developed into a good player, he's traded for another prospect that you have to develop. No Reggie Jacksons or Mark McQuire's. No Sal Bando's or Ricky Hendersons. Those were the A's teams I rooted for. No more.
Basketball, more so than baseball requires chemistry. The players have to play together for a while to become a team. So constantly changing out the parts doesn't work. Oh wait, that's what we've been doing isn't it? OK, now at least I know why were not winning.
Analytics will always have a bigger place in baseball than basketball. Baseball is an anomaly in many ways but the biggest one for me is that it is at the same time the most team oriented game AND the most individual based of team sports.
It's a true team game in the sense that no matter how good a single player he can't have the same impact as a superstar in the NBA or an all-Pro quarterback (and to a lesser extent WR, RB, pass rusher, CB etc) in the NFL. A pitcher can be utterly dominant but only once every four or five games.
And yet baseball is the most individual sport in that each at bat is a solitary contest between pitcher and batter. Even defensively there isn't a ton of teamwork required outside of the pitcher/catcher dynamic and I suppose the little things like turning a double play, hitting the cutoff man etc. Point being, you can build a baseball team based on numbers and be fairly confident it will succeed. That is absolutely not the case in basketball.
I'm all for analytics - I think they can be a big PART of a front office making decisions. But you also just need a feel for the game. I have no confidence in our front office's basketball acumen in that regard.
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That's not Beane's fault, though. The owner Lew Wolff won't pay players once they're good and cost actual money. That's the bottom line. So Beane has to find cheap players with potential and develop them into good players. That's what he succeeds at, and he does it largely with analytics. I'll agree with funkyK above that analytics are more useful in baseball than basketball, but analytics are a tool that can and should be used. The rise of the corner three is just one instance of analytics affecting the game. If we could find and exploit an edge, that would be great. Of course, first we need to actually be fundamentally sound, which is clearly not happening right about now.
The report of security requiring a pro-Karl sign to be shelved turned out to be the result of a complaint from the fans sitting behind the sign, not an organizational censorship of the pro-Karl position. T-shirts should be safe.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Karl or bust at this point.
But lets be real....Vivek and PDA have probably been negotiating a contract with D'Antoni behind the scenes. They'll have a presser and act like they saved the franchise with big **** eating grins on their faces, and Vivek will probably say something fool like "Let the 3.0 era begin!".
But lets be real....Vivek and PDA have probably been negotiating a contract with D'Antoni behind the scenes. They'll have a presser and act like they saved the franchise with big **** eating grins on their faces, and Vivek will probably say something fool like "Let the 3.0 era begin!".
BenThePizzaGuy
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Just some #WeWantKarl highlights
-The front office has ruined this season. Amazing what they did to this team. #WeWantKarl #SacKings
-The Kings are an awful team. @Vivek and @Pdoro still have yet to be honest with fans about what the heck they're doing. #WeWantKarl
-@Pdoro @Vivek yall want another lottery pick?? Get a real coach. #wewantkarl
-If it ain't that broke, don't break it more.... FIX IT. #WeMissMalone #WeWantKarl
-The #WeWantKarl thing is lame, do you really think the Team is going to listen to you #BrakeDown
-@pdoro this new Nba 3.0 is trash!! You have ruined this team fireing malone..you lost the players (boogie) and the fans now!..#WEWANTKARL
-My New Years resolution is to help with the #HereWeKarl #WeWantKarl movements and to see @CoachKarl22 coach my @SacramentoKings Cc: @Pdoro
-The front office has ruined this season. Amazing what they did to this team. #WeWantKarl #SacKings
-The Kings are an awful team. @Vivek and @Pdoro still have yet to be honest with fans about what the heck they're doing. #WeWantKarl
-@Pdoro @Vivek yall want another lottery pick?? Get a real coach. #wewantkarl
-If it ain't that broke, don't break it more.... FIX IT. #WeMissMalone #WeWantKarl
-The #WeWantKarl thing is lame, do you really think the Team is going to listen to you #BrakeDown
-@pdoro this new Nba 3.0 is trash!! You have ruined this team fireing malone..you lost the players (boogie) and the fans now!..#WEWANTKARL
-My New Years resolution is to help with the #HereWeKarl #WeWantKarl movements and to see @CoachKarl22 coach my @SacramentoKings Cc: @Pdoro
John Galt
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Karl is probably playing us as leverage for the Cleveland job and Vivek knows it. Makes more sense than Vivek turning up his nose at a HOF coach.
As a matter of fact, I could sure see Michael Malone earning a ring on the Cleveland staff (not as head coach, yet, but nonetheless he would be valued there and it would be worth the demotion to be on a coaching dream team). That would be what Vivek/PDA deserve - to see Malone win a ring as an assistant on Karl's staff.... in Cleveland.
As a matter of fact, I could sure see Michael Malone earning a ring on the Cleveland staff (not as head coach, yet, but nonetheless he would be valued there and it would be worth the demotion to be on a coaching dream team). That would be what Vivek/PDA deserve - to see Malone win a ring as an assistant on Karl's staff.... in Cleveland.
randymoss1881
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There's nothing to wonder about he will go to the cavs
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Who cares the damage is done. Team is back playing no defense, selfish , dumb basketball and the players, one in particular, have now been completely alienated. FO has destroyed a promising year. I loved watching every minute this year under Malone because even when they lost it was competitive. I really have no desire to even watch this team right now
kingjatt
Starter
And they stuck together, they knew it was a process and things were looking up, well until Pete destroyed that process.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I would love to see Malone get a job there and kick some ass and stick it right up the NBA3.0 fraudsters
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
For what it's worth Jason Ross talked to George Karl on the phone today. Karl declined to be interviewed on air but did tell Ross that he could share with the Sacramento audience that his preference was to coach a team on the west coach.
SacKings384
Starter
Did anyone hear Jerry on the radio today? Jesus I don't think I've ever heard him talk about the Kings organization like this:
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/12/30/the-grant-napear-show-dec-30th-2014-seg-1/
*As a sidenote: I know I'm being negative and I'm trying to step back from that ledge. Just trying to share my frustrations with everyone.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/12/30/the-grant-napear-show-dec-30th-2014-seg-1/
*As a sidenote: I know I'm being negative and I'm trying to step back from that ledge. Just trying to share my frustrations with everyone.
Um, dude? I think you mean Grant.
There are three threads that came to be because of Grant's show. 
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Chris-Mullin-Heading-to-Kings-Bench-to-Coach-285969251.html
Moderator's note: This article is from December 16th and is not breaking news.
Moderator's note: This article is from December 16th and is not breaking news.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
“He wants to coach like Don Nelson,’’ a source told NBC 4 New York in confirming the move. “Chris wants to be unconventional in his approach. He’s not going to call a play on every possession.’’
someone cue the jazz record.
someone cue the jazz record.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
^oh my
f this
f this
randymoss1881
Starter
**** is wrong with these guys. Everything has to be unconventional just ****ing coach/gm the team. We don't need that 3.0 bull crap or coaching unconventionaly when you have a straight old school center.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yeah, no, that article is weeks old. From right after the assassination.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
LMAO that is perfect.
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