George Karl, Mark Jackson or ??? (merged)
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Being an ex-baseball player I have my thoughts on Beane. All I'll say publicly is that what Beane does in baseball, will fail most of the time in basketball. Personally I don't like it in baseball. Beane hasn't won any championships. The best he can do is get into the playoffs and go out in the first round. You can never have a favorite player because as soon as he's developed into a good player, he's traded for another prospect that you have to develop. No Reggie Jacksons or Mark McQuire's. No Sal Bando's or Ricky Hendersons. Those were the A's teams I rooted for. No more.
Basketball, more so than baseball requires chemistry. The players have to play together for a while to become a team. So constantly changing out the parts doesn't work. Oh wait, that's what we've been doing isn't it? OK, now at least I know why were not winning.
Basketball, more so than baseball requires chemistry. The players have to play together for a while to become a team. So constantly changing out the parts doesn't work. Oh wait, that's what we've been doing isn't it? OK, now at least I know why were not winning.
Analytics will always have a bigger place in baseball than basketball. Baseball is an anomaly in many ways but the biggest one for me is that it is at the same time the most team oriented game AND the most individual based of team sports.
It's a true team game in the sense that no matter how good a single player he can't have the same impact as a superstar in the NBA or an all-Pro quarterback (and to a lesser extent WR, RB, pass rusher, CB etc) in the NFL. A pitcher can be utterly dominant but only once every four or five games.
And yet baseball is the most individual sport in that each at bat is a solitary contest between pitcher and batter. Even defensively there isn't a ton of teamwork required outside of the pitcher/catcher dynamic and I suppose the little things like turning a double play, hitting the cutoff man etc. Point being, you can build a baseball team based on numbers and be fairly confident it will succeed. That is absolutely not the case in basketball.
I'm all for analytics - I think they can be a big PART of a front office making decisions. But you also just need a feel for the game. I have no confidence in our front office's basketball acumen in that regard.
It's a true team game in the sense that no matter how good a single player he can't have the same impact as a superstar in the NBA or an all-Pro quarterback (and to a lesser extent WR, RB, pass rusher, CB etc) in the NFL. A pitcher can be utterly dominant but only once every four or five games.
And yet baseball is the most individual sport in that each at bat is a solitary contest between pitcher and batter. Even defensively there isn't a ton of teamwork required outside of the pitcher/catcher dynamic and I suppose the little things like turning a double play, hitting the cutoff man etc. Point being, you can build a baseball team based on numbers and be fairly confident it will succeed. That is absolutely not the case in basketball.
I'm all for analytics - I think they can be a big PART of a front office making decisions. But you also just need a feel for the game. I have no confidence in our front office's basketball acumen in that regard.
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That's not Beane's fault, though. The owner Lew Wolff won't pay players once they're good and cost actual money. That's the bottom line. So Beane has to find cheap players with potential and develop them into good players. That's what he succeeds at, and he does it largely with analytics. I'll agree with funkyK above that analytics are more useful in baseball than basketball, but analytics are a tool that can and should be used. The rise of the corner three is just one instance of analytics affecting the game. If we could find and exploit an edge, that would be great. Of course, first we need to actually be fundamentally sound, which is clearly not happening right about now.
Karl or bust at this point.
But lets be real....Vivek and PDA have probably been negotiating a contract with D'Antoni behind the scenes. They'll have a presser and act like they saved the franchise with big **** eating grins on their faces, and Vivek will probably say something fool like "Let the 3.0 era begin!".
But lets be real....Vivek and PDA have probably been negotiating a contract with D'Antoni behind the scenes. They'll have a presser and act like they saved the franchise with big **** eating grins on their faces, and Vivek will probably say something fool like "Let the 3.0 era begin!".
Just some #WeWantKarl highlights
-The front office has ruined this season. Amazing what they did to this team. #WeWantKarl #SacKings
-The Kings are an awful team. @Vivek and @Pdoro still have yet to be honest with fans about what the heck they're doing. #WeWantKarl
-@Pdoro @Vivek yall want another lottery pick?? Get a real coach. #wewantkarl
-If it ain't that broke, don't break it more.... FIX IT. #WeMissMalone #WeWantKarl
-The #WeWantKarl thing is lame, do you really think the Team is going to listen to you #BrakeDown
-@pdoro this new Nba 3.0 is trash!! You have ruined this team fireing malone..you lost the players (boogie) and the fans now!..#WEWANTKARL
-My New Years resolution is to help with the #HereWeKarl #WeWantKarl movements and to see @CoachKarl22 coach my @SacramentoKings Cc: @Pdoro
-The front office has ruined this season. Amazing what they did to this team. #WeWantKarl #SacKings
-The Kings are an awful team. @Vivek and @Pdoro still have yet to be honest with fans about what the heck they're doing. #WeWantKarl
-@Pdoro @Vivek yall want another lottery pick?? Get a real coach. #wewantkarl
-If it ain't that broke, don't break it more.... FIX IT. #WeMissMalone #WeWantKarl
-The #WeWantKarl thing is lame, do you really think the Team is going to listen to you #BrakeDown
-@pdoro this new Nba 3.0 is trash!! You have ruined this team fireing malone..you lost the players (boogie) and the fans now!..#WEWANTKARL
-My New Years resolution is to help with the #HereWeKarl #WeWantKarl movements and to see @CoachKarl22 coach my @SacramentoKings Cc: @Pdoro
Karl is probably playing us as leverage for the Cleveland job and Vivek knows it. Makes more sense than Vivek turning up his nose at a HOF coach.
As a matter of fact, I could sure see Michael Malone earning a ring on the Cleveland staff (not as head coach, yet, but nonetheless he would be valued there and it would be worth the demotion to be on a coaching dream team). That would be what Vivek/PDA deserve - to see Malone win a ring as an assistant on Karl's staff.... in Cleveland.
As a matter of fact, I could sure see Michael Malone earning a ring on the Cleveland staff (not as head coach, yet, but nonetheless he would be valued there and it would be worth the demotion to be on a coaching dream team). That would be what Vivek/PDA deserve - to see Malone win a ring as an assistant on Karl's staff.... in Cleveland.
Who cares the damage is done. Team is back playing no defense, selfish , dumb basketball and the players, one in particular, have now been completely alienated. FO has destroyed a promising year. I loved watching every minute this year under Malone because even when they lost it was competitive. I really have no desire to even watch this team right now
Did anyone hear Jerry on the radio today? Jesus I don't think I've ever heard him talk about the Kings organization like this:
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/12/30/the-grant-napear-show-dec-30th-2014-seg-1/
*As a sidenote: I know I'm being negative and I'm trying to step back from that ledge. Just trying to share my frustrations with everyone.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/12/30/the-grant-napear-show-dec-30th-2014-seg-1/
*As a sidenote: I know I'm being negative and I'm trying to step back from that ledge. Just trying to share my frustrations with everyone.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Chris-Mullin-Heading-to-Kings-Bench-to-Coach-285969251.html
Moderator's note: This article is from December 16th and is not breaking news.
Moderator's note: This article is from December 16th and is not breaking news.
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