Geoff Petrie

[bibbinator]

Petrie works for the Maloofs. If the Maloofs told him to rebuild he would do it.

The Maloofs have obviously told him to try and rebuild on the fly for now and he has done the best he can with the money and pieces he had available.

The Maloofs are the ones eating the big losses here. Petrie gets his paycheck no matter what, provided he listens to the Maloofs.

 

[kennadog]

I'm not going to defend GP's every move, because I can't. I still think it must have been difficult to have to go from our peak salary year in 02/03 (near the top in the league) to getting under the luxury tax cap (finally reached when Skinner was traded). That was clearly a Maloof directive.

Combined that with the fact that a #10 draft pick this last year is the highest since the Kings selected Jason Williams (7), it can't be easy.

I still think the Maloofs are likely the ones who have blocked a major rebuilding effort. As owners, it's their perogative. They just don't seem like deferred gratification guys to me, unfortunately. That's not a defense of every move GP has made. I don't think he is top five or elite at this point. Maybe above average. I just think the Maloofs muddle the picture somewhat.

 

[kingsfan101]

The Suns would not have beaten the Pistons. Neither would the Lakers. And especially not the Jazz. And the Pistons did go down a notch; they hired an inferior coach. And even that no longer appears to be a handicap for them.

Well they did lose to Cavs, with one superstar surrounded by a not very impressive group. I would have taken any of the Western teams listed above over Cavs too. This is something that we can only speculate on though.

Also, I understand that transitive logic doesn't apply here. For me at least, as good as they were in the regular season, their playoffs performance over the last two years indicated a slippage.

but by that reasoning, are you implying that if the spurs, mavs, or suns somehow met in the first round and lost, that the losing team is not elite??

Any time a team loses in the first round, their elite status will be questioned. Just ask Dallas.

Also, one particular series can still be an aberration. In Detroit's case, for two years now, they have lost to teams against which they were favoured. Out West, I would have chosen at least three teams above them, and few more with a very fair shot to beat them.

The Western powers have managed to stay in the top half of the bracket, and beat the lower rung teams to maintain their elite status. Remember Phoenix beat a decent Lakers team coached by Phil without Amare (if I recall right, they were down 2-1 or 3-1 in the series before coming back to win it). I can't imagine Detroit led by Flip doing that, even with a full roster.

Anyway, to put an end to this, the thread was about Kings and Geoff, and we have digressed to a totally different topic. So, ending from my side here.

 

[mcsluggo]

turning a mediocre team into a slighly less mediocre team is not a sign of genius, even if you ignore the fact that he CREATED the mediocre team in the first place.

 

[Heuge]

Petrie works for the Maloofs. If the Maloofs told him to rebuild he would do it.

The Maloofs have obviously told him to try and rebuild on the fly for now and he has done the best he can with the money and pieces he had available.

The Maloofs are the ones eating the big losses here. Petrie gets his paycheck no matter what, provided he listens to the Maloofs.

Oh please, if he is so much of a puppet he would quit. That is such a cop out. This team is not the Maloof's fault.

 

[Kingzrool]

Oh please, if he is so much of a puppet he would quit. That is such a cop out. This team is not the Maloof's fault.

???

Oh yeah. "Hey take your millions and shove it. I want to do what I want with your team and am leaving if I cannot have my way."

I am sure that is how it works.

Come on. When you are paid millions to manage any operation, you do it in the manner that your employer pays you to. Calling someone who does what they are paid to do a "Puppet" is a very shortsighted way of seeing it, IMO.

 

[Heuge]

???

Oh yeah. "Hey take your millions and shove it. I want to do what I want with your team and am leaving if I cannot have my way."

I am sure that is how it works.

Come on. When you are paid millions to manage any operation, you do it in the manner that your employer pays you to. Calling someone who does what they are paid to do a "Puppet" is a very shortsighted way of seeing it, IMO.

Didnt say he were a puppet but if he felt that way I bet he would leave. Both for his reputation and his sanity.

 

[fnordius]

???

Oh yeah. "Hey take your millions and shove it. I want to do what I want with your team and am leaving if I cannot have my way."

I am sure that is how it works.

Come on. When you are paid millions to manage any operation, you do it in the manner that your employer pays you to. Calling someone who does what they are paid to do a "Puppet" is a very shortsighted way of seeing it, IMO.

Let's look at the flipside of that.

I don't know what GP's salary is, but I'm pretty positive it's more than we usually pay head coaches, so if we assume he's made $3M a year on average, that's very conservative. He started in Sac in '93-'94. 14 years x $3M = $42M, and the real numbers are probably higher than that.

How many millions does someone have to have before they're able to walk away from unacceptable conditions at work? I've done it with a mere $40K in the bank, it seems like someone in Geoff's position shouldn't mind doing that with more than a thousand times that much. He can spend a million a year until he's 80, and still have over $20M left. Or, if he doesn't feel like retiring, he could go work somewhere else. At this point in his career, there is NO REASON he should have to do a job if he's not enjoying it.

 

[Smills91]

And, if one's to give credit to Petrie for Theus, it has to be asked...

Eric Musselman?

You wanted whisenut? That was a salvage move from the Maloofs on his part. Be fair man.

 

[Kingzrool]

How many millions does someone have to have before they're able to walk away from unacceptable conditions at work?

You are joking right? "Unacceptable conditions"? As you have pointed out, he makes plenty to run a team. I think most anyone would be happy to make that kind of $$$ to run a team like the owners want. He seems like he enjoys his job to me. If it were his team and his $$, than he could run the team exactly as he pleased.

 

[Kingzrool]

I absolutely love my job without hesitation. That does not mean that sometimes things get mandated down from the top that are not exactly what I want. I then run my department to the best of my ability under the "direction" set from above. It is true that if I felt like I was working under "unnacceptable conditions", I would quit. But that is an entirely different thing.

 

[fnordius]

You are joking right? "Unacceptable conditions"? As you have pointed out, he makes plenty to run a team. I think most anyone would be happy to make that kind of $$$ to run a team like the owners want.

You're joking, right?

Most people have some sort of pride in their work, and do not leave their sense of right and wrong at home when they start their morning commute. If my boss told me to do things which would result in a crappy product, I might take the time to look for a new job before resigning, but if I had millions put away and could retire at will, I wouldn't hesitate at all.

I've been in that position, without the benefit of a huge cash cushion, and I did resign immediately, and have never regretted it for an instant. There are many things I will do for a paycheck, including perfectly dumb and pointless things, if so instructed. But I draw the line at doing things which are harmful, whether by design or out of stupidity. If they want that, they'll have to find someone with less integrity to do the job.

 

[VF21]

Isn't this starting to wander WAY off topic?

 

[fnordius]

Isn't this starting to wander WAY off topic?

Yeah, my bad, sorry!