Geoff Petrie

[Kingzrool]

Any questions? - kidding

Really, I think that it is time to give the old man some props. Think back to recent picks and trades (that Kings still have):

Picks-
Hawes
Douby
Garcia
Martin

Trades -
Jones
Moore
Udrih
Salmons
Artest

Coach - Theus

I think with the recent developements, all of the above have the mark of a genius. GP has taken a lot of greif and the fire GP threads get started almost every aquisition. Look at these guys. Jones was a complete scrub and look. Udrih and Salmons were both criticized at first and now hailed by the majority.

I am just thinking that it is time that we acknowledge that this man is still one of the better GM's and does what he can, when he can. He can still find the diamond in the rough - so to speak.

Everyone that is unhappy with the lack of movement recently needs to understand that GP will not give away the Kings tallent. Show me a legitimate offer that has been made that was worthy and I may change my opinion, but I do not think that you can.

I agree with GP that we do not trade Ron to NY, unless Lee is part of the deal. I have definately not heard of anything that Miami offered that I would take.

GP = Still the MAN.

 

[piksi]

Kenny Thomas ?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

GP = Still the MAN.

No.

 

[VF21]

I agree, Kingzrool. He's rebuilding a team that's fun to watch with a coach who has them putting forth maximum effort. I think that's a pretty good thing and I'm just glad it's more fun this year than it was last year.

GO KINGS!!!

 

[Kingzrool]

Kenny Thomas ?

I will not argue that that was not a bad move. You have to take chances sometimes. I think he saw that he needed to get rid of Webber and jumped the gun. Turned out to be a bad trade, he must have seen something. I still believe in GP.

 

[creAtivetfh]

Hey Kenny Thomas is doing as much as Chris Webber would have done for us this year.

 

[Heuge]

Any questions?

ya, tons

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Hey Kenny Thomas is doing as much as Chris Webber would have done for us this year.

Webber would cheer for his teammates.

 

[VF21]

Kenny DOES cheer for his teammates. He may not actually yell but he does stand up and cheer. I think it's patently unfair that he be singled out for this when it's not supported by facts in evidence.

 

[piksi]

Hey Kenny Thomas is doing as much as Chris Webber would have done for us this year.

Sure but eventually Webber's contract would have expired. Kenny is here for ever

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Kenny DOES cheer for his teammates. He may not actually yell but he does stand up and cheer. I think it's patently unfair that he be singled out for this when it's not supported by facts in evidence.

The defense is clearly seeing "evidence" that has not been presented to the prosecution. If Thomas is cheering for his teammates, League Pass does a spectacular job of hiding it; because every time *I* see Thomas, he's not only not cheering, he's scowling. At everybody.

 

[VF21]

If I really cared that much I would go through last night's game and actually write down the times when the camera was on the bench when something happened and Kenny stood and cheered with his teammates. I noticed it a couple of times, just as I have in the past. But what would it change?

I've heard from people in a position to know that Kenny Thomas is NOT a problem; that he is, in fact, encouraging to the new guys and taking a total of lack of playing time better than pretty much anyone would have expected. Kenny is not an outgoing person, nor is he terribly animated. That has nothing to do with his attitude, it's simply his demeanor.

I repeat - Kenny has NOT been a problem this season and I think it's unfair to continue to act as though he is, but that's simply my perception based on my own observations and the input from people I believe.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Say what you want about the direction of the team, but Geoff Petrie is still one of the league's most elite talent evaluators. Period.

 

[fnordius]

Kenny Thomas ?

And, if one's to give credit to Petrie for Theus, it has to be asked...

Eric Musselman?

 

[piksi]

And, if one's to give credit to Petrie for Theus, it has to be asked...

Eric Musselman?

I was fighting the fair war and You just violated the Geneva Convention

 

[miltonap]

It was the dumb Maloofs who had a "6-0" vote to choose Muscle Head as the new coach. Regardless of what GP thought, he would have been the coach anyways

 

[C Diddy]

I think we can blame Musselman on the Maloofs. They were swooned by powerpoints.


Back to the thread: I think GP has been average the last couple seasons, but I think something is brewing. I have a feeling we will be active at the deadline this year. Well, at least I hope.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Say what you want about the direction of the team, but Geoff Petrie is still one of the league's most elite talent evaluators. Period.

No he isn't. Petrie may still be above average, but I would put him a full step behind the elite; and, as far as what was said earlier, he most certainly is not "The Man."

RC Buford can be The Man
Joe Dumars can be The Man
Kevin Pritchard can be The Man
Jeff Bower can be The Man
Even Bryan Colangelo can be The Man before Petrie these days.

Petrie is more than a full step behind those guys in terms of building and/or sustaining a winning team. And, with the exception of Dumars, they all have the same small-market handicap that Petrie. He may still be good, maybe even above average, but he ain't The Man no more.

 

[kupman]

This thread was derailed into yet another "CWebb traded" thread in exactly one reply. Very impressive, although tied for first with about 500 other threads derailed for the same reason in 1 reply.

I've moved on......anyone else?

As far as the OP message:

I agree. GP still = one of the best GMs in the game IMHO.

There are those here that respectively disagree and I respect their opinions.

 

[dude12]

No he isn't. Petrie may still be above average, but I would put him a full step behind the elite; and, as far as what was said earlier, he most certainly is not "The Man."

RC Buford can be The Man
Joe Dumars can be The Man
Kevin Pritchard can be The Man
Jeff Bower can be The Man
Even Bryan Colangelo can be The Man before Petrie these days.

Petrie is more than a full step behind those guys in terms of building and/or sustaining a winning team. And, with the exception of Dumars, they all have the same small-market handicap that Petrie. He may still be good, maybe even above average, but he ain't The Man no more.

You mean Joe Dumars....the guy who took Milicic. Not even sure why this thread got started as its just going to turn into a mud-slinging war.

 

[Superman]

This thread was derailed into yet another "CWebb traded" thread in exactly one reply. Very impressive, although tied for first with about 500 other threads derailed for the same reason in 1 reply.

I've moved on......anyone else?

As far as the OP message:

I agree. GP still = one of the best GMs in the game IMHO.

There are those here that respectively disagree and I respect their opinions.

No it wasn't. Since the first post that mentioned that trade (not even Chris in particular), several other points have been mentioned and expounded on. This thread has not been derailed or otherwise polluted by Chris Webber trade talk.

 

[Glenn]

Who gets credit for hiring Theus? I remember knowing more than I thought I should know about Musselman's power point presentation but don't remember the same sharing of details re: the hiring of Reggie.

 

[Superman]

Say what you want about the direction of the team, but Geoff Petrie is still one of the league's most elite talent evaluators. Period.

It takes a lot more than a good talent evaluator to build and/or sustain a team, which is what a good GM is supposed to do. So even if I agreed with you about Petrie's talent evaluating ability (which I'm sort of on the fence about, though I'm inclined to acquiesce, short of declaring him "elite"), it doesn't necessarily speak to his merit as a general manager.

So for you to admit that there are valid questions about the direction of the team, for which Geoff Petrie has to take credit/responsibility, shows that his talent evaluation is not enough to prop him up as one of the better GMs in the League, and certainly not as a "genius".

When you look at the Kings, two things stand out: 1) they are not one of the better teams in the NBA, and 2) they do not have one of the best situations salary-cap wise or draft pick-wise going forward. Geoff Petrie has been running the show for 13 years. How can a GM who built team with no future and not enough talent to contend be one of the best GMs in the League?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You mean Joe Dumars....the guy who took Milicic.

Yeah, the guy who took Milicic. Also known as the guy who took Prince, the guy who took Okur, the guy who took Maxiell, the guy who signed Billups, the guy who traded for Williamson, the guy who traded for Hamilton, the guy who traded for Ben Wallace, and the guy who traded for Rasheed Wallace... Also known as the guy that put a championship team together in a little more than two years, that continues to be one of the top three title contenders in the league... Yeah, why would anybody think that guy deserves to be considered better than Petire?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Hey Kenny Thomas is doing as much as Chris Webber would have done for us this year.

Webber's deal would've been ending THIS year.

 

[Kingzrool]

How can a GM who built team with no future and not enough talent to contend be one of the best GMs in the League?

Wow? Complete disregard for the legitimate title run and the natural cycle of the NBA. Thank you for your insight.

 

[Bricklayer]

Who gets credit for hiring Theus? I remember knowing more than I thought I should know about Musselman's power point presentation but don't remember the same sharing of details re: the hiring of Reggie.

Theus was another Maloof hire. All signs pointed to Geoff wanting Shaw, and of course Stan Van Gundy was the frontrunner until he ditched us.

That is no particular brilliance by the Maloofs either, as they were doubtless looking for a P.R. guy from their home state.


As an aside, interesting thing about Theus this year: predictably he has failed, he has screwed up, he has lost the team repeatedly...BUT he has learned, grown, shifted his feet, adapated, and that has made all the difference. He has made rookie mistake after rookie mistake, from playing tough guy media coach, to trying to force a system that does not match the talent (posting Brad etc.) to ignoring egos in his substitution patterns...all the things you dread from a newbie nobody as a coach. And if he had persisted, if he had been stubborn, he would have crashed and burned. But the interesting thing, and the thing that would have been nearly impossible to project no matter who hired him, has been his willingness to change. He has shown why he could have been a bad hire, and shown why he may be a good one all at the same time.

 

[Kingzrool]

Webber's deal would've been ending THIS year.

Enough with KT already.

Do I really have to explain that he is joking? Neither are playing, get it got it good. The only thing that was legitimately defended in this thread is his towell waving skills. Need I say more?

 

[fnordius]

I think we can blame Musselman on the Maloofs. They were swooned by powerpoints.

I agree. I think that the Maloofs have played the major role in every decision regarding coaching, from the Adelman non-renewal to the hiring of Theus. I only brought it up since the original post implied that GP should get the credit for hiring Reggie. If so, then we have to assume that he also gave Muss the thumbs up. The original post gives Geoff credit for the Peja-Ron trade, despite tons of rumors that the Maloofs were very much responsible for that one. I'm just saying that there shouldn't be cherry-picking in anybody's favor.

Webber for KT
Keon for -1 draft pick
Gerald Wallace for a big "thank you" from the Bobcats
$30M for SAR, $18M for Mikki
And so forth.

The bad has to go with the good.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wow? Complete disregard for the legitimate title run and the natural cycle of the NBA. Thank you for your insight.

Wow, complete lack of knowledge of what the natural cycle looks like.

Hint: it does not look like the MLE. It does not look like a rebuilding losing team missing the playoffs two years in the row with a starting frontcourt on the far side of 30 while giving no time to kids behind them. It doesn;t take 6 years from the date of your last legitimate title run to clear salary. Unless of course you have foolishly continued to add it.