Garcia extended: 5 years, $29.8 million

[Fear the Putin]

Thats a fair market value contract. The cost of living isnt getting cheaper. Not that even $100K cant support you, but my point is that salaries go up as well.

$25 mil extensions are common now and Garcia DOES deserve it regardless of what kind of boneheaded plays he may commit. He is getting wiser and maybe there will be a certain role that he can slide into and contribute to the highest degree in.

 

[FakeInjury]

This is a you don't have to if you don't want to offer, from Garcia's camp, and Goeff said yes. Who in their right mind would not work 5 years for 24 million(liquid). I wouldn't call it a steal unless he goes allstar. If he goes allstar, then he gets the khakis.

 

[rhythmless]

I think this was a good deal. We lock up Garcia now, we dont have to pay more. He is making about what a 6th man would make. If we had waited until after the season and he improved and peformed above expectation, he'd easily be making more than this.

ah, you reminded me about somethign i watned to bring up. for this extension to be valid, garcia's camp has to agree to it. which means not only do they think that garcia is worth that, but that he cannot reasonably stand to make more (barring injury) next year. while some of it is market dictated, a 5 year contract at so so money also means that garcia, and his agent, believe that garcia will NOT be much better than he is now. if garcia fully believed in his ability to be a better player on a good team, he would have taken a shorter contract now, and opted to be able to get a higher paying deal later on.

 

[Sac.1989]

Good to see we've locked him in, i think we will all agree to that. Weather the money paid was value or not shall be seen in the near future. For now at least i can order my Garcia jersey and not worry about him not being on the team next season

 

[Bricklayer]

ah, you reminded me about somethign i watned to bring up. for this extension to be valid, garcia's camp has to agree to it. which means not only do they think that garcia is worth that, but that he cannot reasonably stand to make more (barring injury) next year. while some of it is market dictated, a 5 year contract at so so money also means that garcia, and his agent, believe that garcia will NOT be much better than he is now. if garcia fully believed in his ability to be a better player on a good team, he would have taken a shorter contract now, and opted to be able to get a higher paying deal later on.

that's not the only factor though -- if that were true nobody would ever sign anything more than a 1 yr deal (well except guys in decline). There's a security issue, which might be why he signed for slightly less than the MLE. You figure the MLE is pretty much guaranteed, from somebody, once he hits the open market. But between then and now something could happen. He could get hurt (the main risk), get dropped in the rotation for some reason (maybe somebody gets traded for ahead of him), get traded himself to back up LeBron for 10-12 minutes a night or any number of other things that might depress his value. So somebody comes along and offers you just less than the MLE, offers you $30mil and by all rights sets you and your family up for life, you take the security. The slightly less than the MLE is the premium for being covered against something happening that would rob you of the money. There's a chance your value goes up, there's a chance it goes down, and then all of a sudden there are 30 million reasons not to gamble on it.

 

[bajaden]

Garcia isnt worth that. As we all have seen, he is wildly inconsistent. He isn't a player with a whole lot of upside. Keep in mind, he is already 27 and this deal will run until he is 33. I would argue that he cost more then his contract actually states. His cost will limit this organization as we try to sign free agents over the next two summers. Does his upside merit this? I think we have pretty much seen the best of Cisco. He is what he is.

Care to inject a little logic into it.

 

[AyeCarly]

This is a you don't have to if you don't want to offer, from Garcia's camp, and Goeff said yes. Who in their right mind would not work 5 years for 24 million(liquid). I wouldn't call it a steal unless he goes allstar. If he goes allstar, then he gets the khakis.

Even if he doesn't become an all-star he can always fall in to the Gap. Which is befitting because he is a person with a lot of flair, and it will show he not only has substance, but style as well.

 

[bozzwell]

For those of us who are not great fans nor big detractors of Garcia this is yet another MLE-ish "shrug" deal. An "almost MLE" salary for Garcia is just about right for his ability in the current market. I have to question whether he is right "almost MLE" guy for us. I could see how he would be worth the risk on a very good, near elite or an elite team. We are not that team and locking up more middling talent for 6 years does not make sense to me.

His true value is if you don't expect him to be an every night starter or 6th man playing big minutes. He's just way too incosistent for his overall package of skills and abilities. Better more settled teams can take a player like that on, play him in when he brings his A game and yank him and keep him on the bench when he's cold.

 

[Heuge]

For those of us who are not great fans nor big detractors of Garcia this is yet another MLE-ish "shrug" deal. An "almost MLE" salary for Garcia is just about right for his ability in the current market. I have to question whether he is right "almost MLE" guy for us. I could see how he would be worth the risk on a very good, near elite or an elite team. We are not that team and locking up more middling talent for 6 years does not make sense to me.

His true value is if you don't expect him to be an every night starter or 6th man playing big minutes. He's just way too incosistent for his overall package of skills and abilities. Better more settled teams can take a player like that on, play him in when he brings his A game and yank him and keep him on the bench when he's cold.

I can agree with this.

 

[kennadog]

We are not that team and locking up more middling talent for 6 years does not make sense to me.

It is not 6 years. From Sam Amick yesterday:

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/015655.html

* This story from ESPNdeportes - by way of El Caribe of Dominican Republic - is inaccurate as it pertains to the fifth year. While they are reporting that the fifth year is worth $7 million and is Garcia's option, a source close to the negotiations tells me that the fifth year is a team option. As in the case of Mikki Moore - who will be paid $2 million of his $6 million if the Kings cut him before next season - it appears Garcia has a partial guarantee in his final year as well.

 

[Prince_XY]

Ok wait a minute...Garcia is not taking Martin's starting position no way, no how. Martine is more athletic and a better overall scorer than Garcia, and that's what you need at the 2 spot, a scorer.

Garcia has been locked up for a long term bench player, or possibly a starter at the 3 one day, you never know, but as long as Martin is on the team and healthy, Garcia is not taking his place.

Oh, and Garcia is already a better shooter than Christie was.

I agree with you on this, except that you don't always need a terrific scorer at the #2 spot. The case with Christie, who thrived very well on #2 as a starter in the old great Kings team probably is the best example to prove my point. Another good case is Bowen of the San Antonio Spurs.

I myself is an avid fan of Martin and I hate to lose him just to get a more important piece for the team - a LEADER, which I prefer to be a monster POWER FORWARD.

There is no doubt you need an important piece like Martin to build a very good team. I believe he is a terrific scorer on #2, but I also find him lacking defense in his game. I hope he improves on defense soon, because a lot of people will agree he is still a one-dimensional player. That makes MARTIN still NOT THE FRANCHISE TYPE PLAYER where the Kings will build around - WHICH MAKES HIM STILL DISPENSABLE.

My point was it was excitingly intriguing that we had to locked up Garcia to a long-term contract when we still have a Salmons. These are two players, who eventhough have shown less than starter talents for now, are more-or-less capable of manning the #2, ( or even the #1 and sometimes #3 ) the way Christie did for the old great Kings of the past. I think the signing just gave Petrie enough ammunition and flexibility to involve our best player MARTIN in a BLOCKBUSTER TRADE in the future FOR A TRUE LEADER, double-double, monster in defense, FRANCHISE-TYPE PLAYER, POWER FORWARD.

I hope it won't happen. But MARTIN should really be concerned if he wants to forever stay as a King. He is our BEST PLAYER. That makes him our BEST BAIT for that possible blockbuster trade in the future.



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Kings of the future? :

#5 MILLER or HAWSE ( 7' 0" )
#4 ALL STAR CALIBER ( 6' 10" - Jefferson, Odom, Boozer, or Bosh )
#3 GREENE or THOMPSON ( 6' 11" )
#2 GARCIA ( 6' 7" ) or SALMONS ( 6' 6" )
#1 UDRIH ( 6' 3" )

 

[Prince_XY]

Thats where you lost me. garcia is nowhere near capable of producing in a capacity as martin. Also, one all star with mediocre-below avg starters (udrih/salmons/garcia) does not a good team make. Martin is actually the best compliment to a full figured star that we have. you put him next to a josh smith, a lebron, a dwight, paul, bosh, etc. you do not give up your best player, one of the leagues top scorers, to get another player of similar caliber, or slightly higher. upgrading at one spot and downgrading the same in another spot leaves you in the same place; mediocre. martin never became dispensable, and especially not for the likes of garcia.

I am not saying Martin will be dispensable for a below-starter talent like Salmons and Garcia. But the long term contract of Garcia, and the presence of Salmons made me bellieve that more than ever, Martin is dispensable if we are to go after a franchise type player in the POWER FORWARD position.

Just read the reasoning behind it on my previous reaction to DocHolliday.

And by the way, personally I would only consider trading MARTIN if I could get a defensive, double-double, franchise-type leader POWER FORWARD in exchange.



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[gunks]

...I can see it now...

We get DeRozen in this years draft, and ship Kevin with Millers huge expiring off to Minny for Big Al!

Beno/Bobby
Salmons/DeRozen
Garcia/Greene
Jefferson/Thompson
Hawes/Moore





....What was the topic again?

 

[FakeInjury]

Good deal, just about right for a guy who puts it all on the line every night. Intensity, coachability, defense, offense, ball handling.......... he is worth it next year and is one of the "core" pieces of the Kings going forward. Now I really can't wait to see how Jason turns out. If Salmons steps up to the level he did the beginning of last year and helps us forget RonRon................ and with BJax as the leader of the new Bench Mob.......hmmm....... exciting could quickly overcome interesting.

Coachability, I'm impressed. I agree. I think he was given this gift because of all those attributes. But, the most intriguing of all his abilities is his ability to be coached, imo(and ball handling). But being able to follow direction and execute direction with determination is definitely how i would describe Garcia. Not overly talented with raw athleticism, but makes up for it with his demeanor or nature. Now that he has his extention, its time to compare him to another NBA player. I say he is

J.J. Reddick<Garcia<Corey Maggette.........therfore.....he is Joe Dumars

 

[FakeInjury]

...I can see it now...

We get DeRozen in this years draft, and ship Kevin?

WT HELL, Kevin Martin is our only draw, why would we loose him for anything less than Vince Carter. Draw in the NBA is everything. Derozen has the potential draw. but its not a sure thing. Dont bother yourself with the complicated structure of business as it relates to the NBA, it will only make you feel like your good idea wasn't so good after all.

 

[macadocious]

5 years 30 million

This is pretty much status quo. It is the only contract we give out. Mediocre contract to mediocre players = mediocre team.


PERPETUITY!

 

[Heuge]

Care to inject a little logic into it.

I fail to see how there is a lack of logic in this. I just happen to disagree with you.

 

[Heuge]

This is pretty much status quo. It is the only contract we give out. Mediocre contract to mediocre players = mediocre team.


PERPETUITY!

I also agree with this.

 

[gunks]

WT HELL, Kevin Martin is our only draw, why would we loose him for anything less than Vince Carter. Draw in the NBA is everything. Derozen has the potential draw. but its not a sure thing. Dont bother yourself with the complicated structure of business as it relates to the NBA, it will only make you feel like your good idea wasn't so good after all.

Haha, look at you editing my post in the quote to make your point against it. What are you? A Fox News reporter or something?

I said ship Kevin for Al Jefferson, who being a young 20/10 big would probably be a decent draw himself.

Buuuut....Considering I wasnt being all that serious with the post in the first place, its all kind of moot.


Try harder next time fake.

 

[FakeInjury]

Al Jefferson isn't pretty. and your idea didn't make him prettier or everyone else next to him uglier. Al is going to need to win alot of games before he starts drawing like only an attractive basketball player can. You dont need to be rick fox, and talent like kobe. But its hard to sell shirts and shoes without a face you can market along with it. a Decent face, a GREAT player, BOOM - Multimillions in endorsements and more. but, looks aren't everything. Talent will be the ultimate equilizer in this unequal world. Shaq is not pretty, but his game is/was. Why did Peja get a max extention? Different subject, but somehow i feel it applies. Point being, we signed martin to play ball, it just so happens he sells tickets too, and fans, and now shoes, and women love him. Lets just say, baskeball isn't only a game, and thats about all Jefferson has to offer. game.

 

[VF21]

This is pretty much status quo. It is the only contract we give out. Mediocre contract to mediocre players = mediocre team.


PERPETUITY!

Giving Francisco an extension wasn't the only contract or did you not get the memo about Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Bobby Brown and Bobby Jackson?

Exactly what part of "rebuilding" aren't you seeing?

 

[Heuge]

Giving Francisco an extension wasn't the only contract or did you not get the memo about Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Bobby Brown and Bobby Jackson?

Exactly what part of "rebuilding" aren't you seeing?

I'm thinking he is saying this type of contract are the only types of contracts we give out.

IMO, rebuilding with Garcia as basically a mid level salary is a mistake. To inconsistent and not a high enough potential to warrant league average pay. It seems as though he is a bit more below average then his new contract warrants, and I like his general play on the court.

 

[VF21]

"The only types of contracts we give out" is misleading, since current conditions pretty much preclude anything else. That will hopefully not be the case in 2010, which Petrie has said repeatedly is his goal.

As far as Garcia goes, I think you'll see a much more consistent player without Ron Artest around. And, as others have pointed out, it's not too much of a risk to take considering what little else we might be able to spend the money on anyway.

I have been very critical of Cisco but I've noticed improvement in his game, and I think Reggie will be able to utilize him more fully this coming season.

I'm looking at the glass half full because I truly believe we're on the way back up. We hit bottom and survived...

Cisco is dedicated, he's a very hard worker, his teammates respect him and he's not imbroiled in a bunch of off-court dramatics. I think he's a good enough role player to merit the money he's going to receive. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what happens...

 

[Warhawk]

According to KHTK, the contract is official as he apparently signed it today. No other details provided.

 

[Gary]

ah, you reminded me about somethign i watned to bring up. for this extension to be valid, garcia's camp has to agree to it. which means not only do they think that garcia is worth that, but that he cannot reasonably stand to make more (barring injury) next year. while some of it is market dictated, a 5 year contract at so so money also means that garcia, and his agent, believe that garcia will NOT be much better than he is now. if garcia fully believed in his ability to be a better player on a good team, he would have taken a shorter contract now, and opted to be able to get a higher paying deal later on.

His agent is looking at the cool mil he is getting from this, and is thinking it's fine by him.

 

[Gary]

For those of us who are not great fans nor big detractors of Garcia this is yet another MLE-ish "shrug" deal. An "almost MLE" salary for Garcia is just about right for his ability in the current market. I have to question whether he is right "almost MLE" guy for us. I could see how he would be worth the risk on a very good, near elite or an elite team. We are not that team and locking up more middling talent for 6 years does not make sense to me.

His true value is if you don't expect him to be an every night starter or 6th man playing big minutes. He's just way too incosistent for his overall package of skills and abilities. Better more settled teams can take a player like that on, play him in when he brings his A game and yank him and keep him on the bench when he's cold.

Don't agree.. Reason is he has improved so we have no idea if he has hit his ceiling. Even through the Kings aren't an elite team we have to figure they will be knocking on the playoff door in a couple years. Garcia will be in the "meat" of his contract by then and we will be able to use a guy that can play 3 positions and bring the needed energy off the bench. Also, he does well playing off the bench, or starting. Something not all spot starters can do.

You say he is inconsistent. Last year he showed he was everything BUT inconsistent. He was the guy we could count on if starting or coming off the bench. Plus he has gotten pretty good in re: to team play, and both him and Martin on the floor together is just scary for the opposing team.

I like to look at guys like Garcia as a pitcher. A lot of pitchers get better with age because they learn how and when to throw specific pitches. Garcia has gotten better every year he has played, and has almost eliminated the bonehead charge from his game. I say he has another two years of improvement and then he will steady out a bit.

I like the idea of having Garcia on the team when we are contending for the playoffs. What's the alternative? All playoff teams need a guy like Garcia to succeed imo. It's better than bringing in a new guy every couple years to try to fit into what the team is doing. At least we know what Garcia brings to the team bench or starting.

 

[Gary]

I'm thinking he is saying this type of contract are the only types of contracts we give out.

IMO, rebuilding with Garcia as basically a mid level salary is a mistake. To inconsistent and not a high enough potential to warrant league average pay. It seems as though he is a bit more below average then his new contract warrants, and I like his general play on the court.

Ok then.. Lets go out and give a max to Marbury, Francis, and Curry..

The team isn't really full of MLE players. You got Martin making 10mil, and once Brad and KT are gone we will be able to hit the market looking for a player better than MLE..

Basically what I am trying to say is that the only MLE players (or near MLE) we will have in a couple years are Beno, Garcia, and Salmons. We aren't filling the roster with MLEs. You cannot fill a team with 1020 mil players and minimum players. Doesn't work that way. Look at this 2 years down the road. This team is going to be good.. Just watch.

 

[Heuge]

Ok then.. Lets go out and give a max to Marbury, Francis, and Curry..

The team isn't really full of MLE players. You got Martin making 10mil, and once Brad and KT are gone we will be able to hit the market looking for a player better than MLE..

Basically what I am trying to say is that the only MLE players (or near MLE) we will have in a couple years are Beno, Garcia, and Salmons. We aren't filling the roster with MLEs. You cannot fill a team with 1020 mil players and minimum players. Doesn't work that way. Look at this 2 years down the road. This team is going to be good.. Just watch.

I hope you are right. I have my doubts, but I hope you are right.

 

[macadocious]

Giving Francisco an extension wasn't the only contract or did you not get the memo about Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Bobby Brown and Bobby Jackson?

Exactly what part of "rebuilding" aren't you seeing?

I know I rarely post, but I was also against the contracts we gave Moore, Salmons, K. Mart, and Beno....


SO pretty much all the players we have overpaid for when we have no stars.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I know I rarely post, but I was also against the contracts we gave Moore, Salmons, K. Mart, and Beno....

SO pretty much all the players we have overpaid for when we have no stars.

So let's see...

Kings contracts you don't like:
1. Francisco Garcia
2. Mikki Moore
3. John Salmons
4. Kevin Martin
5. Beno Udrih

Kings contracts you can't possibly like given the above:
6. Kenny Thomas
7. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (granted, insurance should have it now)
8. Brad Miller
9. Bobby Jackson

Kings still on rookie scale contracts:
10. Quincy Douby
11. Shelden Williams
12. Spencer Hawes
13. Jason Thompson
14. Donte Greene

Leaving:
15. Bobby Brown

So, of the ten Kings contracts that were actually negotiated between player and team (8 negotiated by Petrie), you might like one of them. Perhaps your standards for what makes a good contract might be a little high.