Garcia extended: 5 years, $29.8 million

[macadocious]

So let's see...

Kings contracts you don't like:
1. Francisco Garcia
2. Mikki Moore
3. John Salmons
4. Kevin Martin
5. Beno Udrih

Kings contracts you can't possibly like given the above:
6. Kenny Thomas
7. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (granted, insurance should have it now)
8. Brad Miller
9. Bobby Jackson

Kings still on rookie scale contracts:
10. Quincy Douby
11. Shelden Williams
12. Spencer Hawes
13. Jason Thompson
14. Donte Greene

Leaving:
15. Bobby Brown

So, of the ten Kings contracts that were actually negotiated between player and team (8 negotiated by Petrie), you might like one of them. Perhaps your standards for what makes a good contract might be a little high.

You are missing the point. These players keep us mediocre/bad we will continue to get the 8-13th pick with this type of roster.

If a playoff team, already over the cap gave Beno the MLE. That is a good signing for them. Solid addition to the bench. But we keep doing is clogging up our bench with player with moderate contracts, and we are staying within striking distance of the Cap. Meaning we cannot go out and over pay for a star later on.

Our best player, wouldn't be the 2nd best player on most top tier teams and we are giving him 11 million a year. And you can throw out, that's what the market dictates BS all you want. That only works if you are using Larry Bird rules, have a winning team already and are paying to keep one of your own.

 

[Gary]

I don't think Beno/Martin/Garcia were meant to be signed as this year in mind. Those three players are imo meant for a couple years down the road when we are competing and when Moore/KT/Douby/Williams/possibly Miller off the books. Although I wouldn't mind bringing Miller back as a MLE player if he willing to take that and play behind Hawes.

 

[mac]

You are missing the point. These players keep us mediocre/bad we will continue to get the 8-13th pick with this type of roster.

If a playoff team, already over the cap gave Beno the MLE. That is a good signing for them. Solid addition to the bench. But we keep doing is clogging up our bench with player with moderate contracts, and we are staying within striking distance of the Cap. Meaning we cannot go out and over pay for a star later on.

Our best player, wouldn't be the 2nd best player on most top tier teams and we are giving him 11 million a year. And you can throw out, that's what the market dictates BS all you want. That only works if you are using Larry Bird rules, have a winning team already and are paying to keep one of your own.

And so you'd rather us let kmart and garcia go after their rookie contracts and bring in dleaguers? Then we'll just sign everybody for the min and then come one sunny day we sign lebron or something right?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

And so you'd rather us let kmart and garcia go after their rookie contracts and bring in dleaguers? Then we'll just sign everybody for the min and then come one sunny day we sign lebron or something right?

Yeah, I think he's saying that:

we are staying within striking distance of the Cap. Meaning we cannot go out and over pay for a star later on.

But that's only half of what he's saying. Nobody could think that a team full of D-Leaguers could reasonably attract a LeBron-type talent in free agency. So he's also covering his bases and saying that since we don't have a superstar, we should let our good homegrown players go and lose 70 games a year until the Anaheim Kings manage to DRAFT the next LeBron:

These players keep us mediocre/bad we will continue to get the 8-13th pick with this type of roster.

This is all gummed up by the fact that there's a MINIMUM team salary according to the CBA - 75% of the salary cap. If a team doesn't meet the minimum salary, they get charged by the league up to that level. So not only is he suggesting that we let our good players go, but concomitant with that would be overpayment of WORSE players to a similar level.

Right now, we're in position to be about $30 million under the cap in 2010, which is the "blockbuster" free agent year. That's plenty of cap room. Without Garcia it would be more like $35M, without Martin more like $45M. Imagine if we're $45M under the cap with a bunch of nobody players and we don't manage to land a marquee free agent...we're going to need to spend $30M on whatever junk we can sign just to avoid the penalty on the league minimum salary and to put 12 players on the floor. Sorry, that's not a good way to run a franchise.

 

[Jerryaki]

you make too much sense. there will be no use of logic here; move along!

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Yeah, I think he's saying that:



But that's only half of what he's saying. Nobody could think that a team full of D-Leaguers could reasonably attract a LeBron-type talent in free agency. So he's also covering his bases and saying that since we don't have a superstar, we should let our good homegrown players go and lose 70 games a year until the Anaheim Kings manage to DRAFT the next LeBron:



This is all gummed up by the fact that there's a MINIMUM team salary according to the CBA - 75% of the salary cap. If a team doesn't meet the minimum salary, they get charged by the league up to that level. So not only is he suggesting that we let our good players go, but concomitant with that would be overpayment of WORSE players to a similar level.

Right now, we're in position to be about $30 million under the cap in 2010, which is the "blockbuster" free agent year. That's plenty of cap room. Without Garcia it would be more like $35M, without Martin more like $45M. Imagine if we're $45M under the cap with a bunch of nobody players and we don't manage to land a marquee free agent...we're going to need to spend $30M on whatever junk we can sign just to avoid the penalty on the league minimum salary and to put 12 players on the floor. Sorry, that's not a good way to run a franchise.

Not to mention that even if you drafted a LeBron James, if the rest of the team was D-leaguers, you would essentially have 4 years to completley ramake the team or lose him to free agency. This means that you would have to have a team of D leaguers, all paid on large one year contracts that equal 75% of the salary cap and then hope to attract free agents to play here. Of course, you would also have to hope that the fans kept coming to see games filled with D Leaguers for 3-4 years while you enacted this plan, or there would be no money to pay any of these players. And of course David Stern would have nothing to say about a team so blatantly throwing a couple of seasons.

 

[NME]

Right now, we're in position to be about $30 million under the cap in 2010, which is the "blockbuster" free agent year. That's plenty of cap room.

And likely way more than we will be able to make good use of anyway. The chances of a superstar that's going to command a big chunk of that singlehandedly coming here is slim. The only way we're going to rue giving up that extra $5 million is if Lebron, Bosh and Wade are all clamoring to come here. "Sorry guys, we can only take two of you. Looks like D-Wade is going to have to suffer that Miami nightlife for a while longer." Most likely, we're not going to be locked way over the cap again unless and until Hawes/Thompson/Greene hopefully earn big extensions.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

On a seperate note, for what it is worth, here are a couple of excerpts from David Thorpe's recent chats on ESPN about the extension. He actually took 4 Kings questions on that chat. I always find him to be pretty insightful, although he doesn't go into much detail on these chate. Enjoy:


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=22588

Adam (Sacramento, CA): Could J. Thompson start this year for the Kings and what do you think of the Garcia extension?

David Thorpe: Doubt he'd start. Love the Garcia extension. He's definitely part of the solution there.

Joe (Portsmouth): Almost $6/year for Garcia??? Petrie is a great talent evaluator, but the Kings really know how to overpay for slightly better than average players!

David Thorpe: Average players are worth just under 6 a year. So I think it was smart-not many guys can be a 40% 3 point shooter and be excellent on defense.

 

[NeedMooreMikki]

On a seperate note, for what it is worth, here are a couple of excerpts from David Thorpe's recent chats on ESPN about the extension. He actually took 4 Kings questions on that chat. I always find him to be pretty insightful, although he doesn't go into much detail on these chate. Enjoy:


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=22588

Adam (Sacramento, CA): Could J. Thompson start this year for the Kings and what do you think of the Garcia extension?

David Thorpe: Doubt he'd start. Love the Garcia extension. He's definitely part of the solution there.

Joe (Portsmouth): Almost $6/year for Garcia??? Petrie is a great talent evaluator, but the Kings really know how to overpay for slightly better than average players!

David Thorpe: Average players are worth just under 6 a year. So I think it was smart-not many guys can be a 40% 3 point shooter and be excellent on defense.

I agree completely with this one, I think we locked up the ultimate role player. Good signing.

 

[Heuge]

On a seperate note, for what it is worth, here are a couple of excerpts from David Thorpe's recent chats on ESPN about the extension. He actually took 4 Kings questions on that chat. I always find him to be pretty insightful, although he doesn't go into much detail on these chate. Enjoy:


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=22588

Adam (Sacramento, CA): Could J. Thompson start this year for the Kings and what do you think of the Garcia extension?

David Thorpe: Doubt he'd start. Love the Garcia extension. He's definitely part of the solution there.

Joe (Portsmouth): Almost $6/year for Garcia??? Petrie is a great talent evaluator, but the Kings really know how to overpay for slightly better than average players!

David Thorpe: Average players are worth just under 6 a year. So I think it was smart-not many guys can be a 40% 3 point shooter and be excellent on defense.

See, if ESPN agrees with it, it must be awful. I rest my case.