HighFlyingMonkey
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It's a little lengthy for my taste, and wish we could have gotten a team option in there for 2010, but it's hard to argue against signing a talent like Garcia to $6 million a year.
Garcia extended: 5 years, $29.8 million
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sactownfan
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OK!!!! Garcia is an improving player... hes young, and hes one of ours(which means geoff has seen him enough)
Look around the NBA there are players on every team that you could point out are over paid, and such.... Garcia is not that over paid, he at least is not some random journeyman that is on the decline... he could get better, im sure other teams were interested...
Geoff is still good in my book.... just no more mikki moores! bonzi wells! kenny thomas's! ect...
Look around the NBA there are players on every team that you could point out are over paid, and such.... Garcia is not that over paid, he at least is not some random journeyman that is on the decline... he could get better, im sure other teams were interested...
Geoff is still good in my book.... just no more mikki moores! bonzi wells! kenny thomas's! ect...
Agreed. I also think this gives him the security to just go out and play. Takes a load off the mind. He hits big shots (including the 3) and can play good "d". He is a floor leader. He is well liked and respected by his teammates. He can swing to the 2 and 3 with ease and handle the ball a bit.
I don't have a problem with this, especially with SAR off the books next year.
NME
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Amick made a couple of key additions to his report:
1. His information is that the final year of Garcia's deal will be only partially guaranteed.
2. The waiting period for salary cap relief for SAR's deal may be retroactive back to the last date he played, and therefore could be granted for THIS season after all.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/015655.html
1. His information is that the final year of Garcia's deal will be only partially guaranteed.
2. The waiting period for salary cap relief for SAR's deal may be retroactive back to the last date he played, and therefore could be granted for THIS season after all.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/015655.html
I thought that I had read in the past that injury retirements could be "retroactive" if a player tries to rehab and cannot. I hope this is correct, obviously, and the reason I mentioned it a while back.
According to ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3609317
The deal is worth $23 million over four years with a fifth-year player's option worth $7 million, a source close to the negotiations confirmed for ESPNdeportes.com.
Amick says:
While they are reporting that the fifth year is worth $7 million and is Garcia's option, my source close to the negotiations tells me that the fifth year is not only not Garcia's option but that it is not fully guaranteed. The guaranteed amount has yet to be settled.
I wonder who is correct.....
Gary
All-Star
The deal looks good to me.. Good going Garcia! Well deserved.
Basically we are giving MLE money to a player that spot starts and puts up 17ppg 4rpg 2apg 1.5spg 1bpg when he does start. Plus he plays well with Martin, and is good energy from the bench.
Salmons might be a better starter, but imo Garcia plays the "role" a lot better than Salmons.
So PLEASE someone that does not think this is a good deal tell me which 6th man player that averages 17+ppg spot starting, double digit scoring off the bench who does not ruin the chemistry of the team should get Garcia type money that we overlooked? Garcia might not get much better, but what he did last year is worth 6mil/yr imo.
Basically we are giving MLE money to a player that spot starts and puts up 17ppg 4rpg 2apg 1.5spg 1bpg when he does start. Plus he plays well with Martin, and is good energy from the bench.
Salmons might be a better starter, but imo Garcia plays the "role" a lot better than Salmons.
So PLEASE someone that does not think this is a good deal tell me which 6th man player that averages 17+ppg spot starting, double digit scoring off the bench who does not ruin the chemistry of the team should get Garcia type money that we overlooked? Garcia might not get much better, but what he did last year is worth 6mil/yr imo.
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Gary
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So you wanted him to leave, or did you think we could actually get someone better than Garcia for cheaper who already knows the Kings offense, and who we know "fits in" with the whole "team" concept... Please give me some insight on why this is a bad deal?
I can tell you why this is a good deal.. A MLE player is usually a bench player or spot starter right? Garcia starting was better than 17ppg and more than 40% from 3pt, and if I am not mistaken he was better than 44% when starting on his FGs. He didn't hog the ball, and he was able to play PG/SG/SF. He is basically a 6th man type player which every team would LOVE to have and is very versitile. Sure he's 27, but he's not the type of player which will get injured trying to fly through the roof. Outside of his running into players on the offensive end he's a pretty controlled player who should play into his 30s because he's a good defender, and a deep threat.
Good signing IMO. I would rather have him than pretty much 90% of all the other MLE players out there.
NME
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I'm going to lean towards Amick for news on the Kings, and towards ESPNdeportes for news on which Futbol player scored a GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAL!
If we move Salmons in the next year and Greene takes a while to develop, Garcia could be even be our regular starter for a good chunk of that contract, and I can easily see him putting up 16 and 5 in that role. The market has exploded of late for SF's, and apparantly 18 and 6 can get you about $12 mil per year.
Sptsjunkie
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I agree with what others have said about this being a deal that is currently fair value, but could be a steal if Garcia has one more "step up" left in him.
I'm responding to this post because I don't think it matters as much what Garcia does in the last year of the deal. He should be serviceable through 32 (that's average and he has hardly logged heavy minutes so far in his career), but even if he falls off, he is a 7 million dollar expiring contract in the final year of his deal. That will give him a very different kind of value.
=LarryLegend=
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* This story from ESPNdeportes - by way of El Caribe of Dominican Republic - is inaccurate as it pertains to the fifth year. While they are reporting that the fifth year is worth $7 million and is Garcia's option, a source close to the negotiations tells me that the fifth year is a team option. As in the case of Mikki Moore - who will be paid $2 million of his $6 million if the Kings cut him before next season - it appears Garcia has a partial guarantee in his final year as well. What's more, Garcia is in Sacramento and not in the Dominican as the story states.
4th year team option.
* On that note, I have learned that the Kings may be able to get Shareef Abdur-Rahim's salary removed from this season's salary cap number after all.
very interesting
sacbee.com/kingsblog
4th year team option.
* On that note, I have learned that the Kings may be able to get Shareef Abdur-Rahim's salary removed from this season's salary cap number after all.
very interesting
sacbee.com/kingsblog
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So, did you even bother reading the other posts here?
You know, like maybe a couple of them about an hour ago?
A bit slow to the table here.....
=LarryLegend=
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I didnt see where this info was posted.....about the final year a team option. are you sure you are seating at the same table?
I like the deal. I had guessed that a five-year extension for Garcia would run $25M at the minimum, so $30M seems quite reasonable. As pointed out, it's about 15% below the full MLE, which is what we probably would have had to pay to keep him if we let this window go by.
Now I hope we keep an eye out for opportunities to move Salmons. No hurry, but at the deadline we'll have a better idea of whether Greene is ready to get the backup minutes. If so, we could send John somewhere to a contender (for expirings and a draft pick?) to open up PT for Garcia/Greene.
I figure the ultimate hope would be for Garcia, like Udrih, to be coming off the bench at the back end of their contracts with Greene and a yet-to-be-drafted PG in the starting roles come 2011 or so.
Now I hope we keep an eye out for opportunities to move Salmons. No hurry, but at the deadline we'll have a better idea of whether Greene is ready to get the backup minutes. If so, we could send John somewhere to a contender (for expirings and a draft pick?) to open up PT for Garcia/Greene.
I figure the ultimate hope would be for Garcia, like Udrih, to be coming off the bench at the back end of their contracts with Greene and a yet-to-be-drafted PG in the starting roles come 2011 or so.
Bricklayer
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FakeInjury
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This is nothing but good. Martin got an extention last year, it paid off relatively well. Garcia gets one now. Douby is next up. Its all political. If agents see that the kings will pay decent money a year earlier that most major market teams, that agent might suggest having a workout or two scheduled for his lottery player, because if he doesn't explore the kings, he aint doing his job. Case and point, Martin>>>>56million Garcia>>>>29million. Those players were not expected to be who they are, and turn out the way they did. The kings are not making perfect moves, but they sure aren't bad. Overpay a little here, offer the full mid-level there, and now, the kings don't look like they are cheap. They offer what is needed to get the job done. And they don't play the restricted free agent game. This just looks good. A no bull way of telling the rest of the NBA, "I have a commodity"
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king07
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i'm happy, he's so fun to watch
You bother looking at posts 34 and 35?
And your post addressed much more than a "team option". That is the only part of your post not discussed previously....and it still isn't confirmed.
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Entity
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You may want to open your eyes to the market value of the players in the NBA.
kingsfan101
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I think we have to realize that we aren't getting a tier 1 FA, and that we shall have enough (and some) for a second tier FA (now, if we wanted to bring two tier 2 FAs, we might be short).
Off the top of my head, can't think of a single tier 1 player who signed as a FA with some other team. Nash yes. But at the time he signed with Phoenix, Dallas thought that Dampier was better value
. This year Baron Davis, Corey Maggette and Elton Brand changed teams, and Arenas earlier. As much as I love their game (particularly BD and EB), in my estimation, none of these is a top level FA. Most tier 1 players sign extension with their teams, or even as FAs, re-sign with them, as they get paid so much more.We also suffer from two additional drawbacks for attracting FAs. We are not a big market team, and we are in the West, where even making the playoffs shall be a challenge. Why would FAs want to come to West, when they can think of reaching the finals much more easily in the East.
Most other player movement has been, and shall be via trades, and for that we need assets. Signing Garcia to a reasonable extension provides us with a young player who is tradable. It also gives us the option of trading Salmons (who shall have only one year on his contract after next year, and is good value for his salary). And for trades, we automatically talk of the LT as the limit, instead of the cap, allowing us to trade for and receive couple of excellent players.
I believe that for these reasons, next year shall be more critical than the summer of 2010. It shall be a challenge to turn our expiring contracts into good assets, but if Petrie can pull it off, we can be a very good team.
As for this extension, I like Garcia, and think this extension is decent. He is our main backup at the 2 and 3 positions, has shown a versatile skill set, and plays with heart and passion. The numbers are not too atrocious. I hope he makes us all feel we got a steal.
DocHolliday
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This is a good move. He's a good role player and may even develop a little bit more as he showed improvement last year. He has a good character, he has a good work ethic, he has 6th man of the year potential in the not to distant future, and he has leadership qualities. Getting all of that for below the midlevel exception for the prime years of his career sounds great to me.
This could turn out to be a very good move by the Kings.
Garcia could be another CHRISTIE, the perfect player on the #2 position if we were to pattern the team to the old Kings team.
Garcia could further be developed into a decent defender with point guard skills. Right now, he already had shown he can be an able swingman who can man #1 and #2, and even #3 - very much like CHRISTIE.
And at $6 M a year, GARCIA "WILL BE" VERY CHEAP.
The rebuilding has become INTRIGUINGLY EXCITING, because of this long term contract of Garcia. It shows Garcia could very well be in the future of the Kings. The decision to lock-up Garcia also gets the Kings more flexibility to make a blockbuster trade for a star quality POWER FORWARD, or CENTER in the future.
Of all the players, I think MARTIN should be most concerned. He just became dispensible. If we were to make a move in the future to acquire an ALL STAR CALIBER PLAYER ( which I hope to be a POWER FORWARD ), our BEST PLAYER Martin could very well be the perfect bait.
Well, that's what he gets for not playing defense.
I hope this scenario does not happen, because I hate seeing Martin go.
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Pattern:
#5 Divac ( 7' 0" )
#4 Webber ( 6' 10" )
#3 Peja ( 6' 10" )
#2 Christie ( 6' 6" )
#1 Bibby ( 6' 2" )
Possible line-up after trading Martin:
#5 MILLER or HAWSE ( 7' 0" )
#4 ALL STAR CALIBER ( 6' 10" - Jefferson, Odom, Boozer, or Bosh )
#3 GREENE or THOMPSON ( 6' 11" )
#2 GARCIA ( 6' 7" )
#1 UDRIH ( 6' 3" )
Hmmm, not bad at all.
Garcia could be another CHRISTIE, the perfect player on the #2 position if we were to pattern the team to the old Kings team.
Garcia could further be developed into a decent defender with point guard skills. Right now, he already had shown he can be an able swingman who can man #1 and #2, and even #3 - very much like CHRISTIE.
And at $6 M a year, GARCIA "WILL BE" VERY CHEAP.
The rebuilding has become INTRIGUINGLY EXCITING, because of this long term contract of Garcia. It shows Garcia could very well be in the future of the Kings. The decision to lock-up Garcia also gets the Kings more flexibility to make a blockbuster trade for a star quality POWER FORWARD, or CENTER in the future.
Of all the players, I think MARTIN should be most concerned. He just became dispensible. If we were to make a move in the future to acquire an ALL STAR CALIBER PLAYER ( which I hope to be a POWER FORWARD ), our BEST PLAYER Martin could very well be the perfect bait.
Well, that's what he gets for not playing defense.
I hope this scenario does not happen, because I hate seeing Martin go.
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Pattern:
#5 Divac ( 7' 0" )
#4 Webber ( 6' 10" )
#3 Peja ( 6' 10" )
#2 Christie ( 6' 6" )
#1 Bibby ( 6' 2" )
Possible line-up after trading Martin:
#5 MILLER or HAWSE ( 7' 0" )
#4 ALL STAR CALIBER ( 6' 10" - Jefferson, Odom, Boozer, or Bosh )
#3 GREENE or THOMPSON ( 6' 11" )
#2 GARCIA ( 6' 7" )
#1 UDRIH ( 6' 3" )
Hmmm, not bad at all.
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Andriod_KiNg
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In the eyes of the some posters, everyone is willing to take a pay cut to stay with the Kings, then Lebron, Wade, and Bosh will all want to come play for us for dirt cheap.
DocHolliday
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Ok wait a minute...Garcia is not taking Martin's starting position no way, no how. Martine is more athletic and a better overall scorer than Garcia, and that's what you need at the 2 spot, a scorer.
Garcia has been locked up for a long term bench player, or possibly a starter at the 3 one day, you never know, but as long as Martin is on the team and healthy, Garcia is not taking his place.
Oh, and Garcia is already a better shooter than Christie was.
DocHolliday
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More like they MIGHT...big might...give a hometown discount to the team they are currently on to remain a member of that team.
Gary
All-Star
I remember the other thread "Do the Kings want to extend Garcia?" I was saying fair value for him was 6yr 38mil.. This is pretty close to that.. I understood we could only sign him to 5 years if we are extending him which I was thinking about next year, but this is pretty close to what I think is fair value for Garcia.
Look at it this way.. Garcia is a good bench player. His stats don't suffer when coming off the bench. His per48s are about the same. On the other hand we have a guy named Salmons which is poison off the bench. Teams would kill for a guy like Garcia at MLE type money. He is probably one of our best roleplayers on the team.
Look at it this way.. Garcia is a good bench player. His stats don't suffer when coming off the bench. His per48s are about the same. On the other hand we have a guy named Salmons which is poison off the bench. Teams would kill for a guy like Garcia at MLE type money. He is probably one of our best roleplayers on the team.
rhythmless
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Thats where you lost me. garcia is nowhere near capable of producing in a capacity as martin. Also, one all star with mediocre-below avg starters (udrih/salmons/garcia) does not a good team make. Martin is actually the best compliment to a full figured star that we have. you put him next to a josh smith, a lebron, a dwight, paul, bosh, etc. you do not give up your best player, one of the leagues top scorers, to get another player of similar caliber, or slightly higher. upgrading at one spot and downgrading the same in another spot leaves you in the same place; mediocre. martin never became dispensable, and especially not for the likes of garcia.
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