[Game] Game 60: Sacramento Kings @ Orlando Magic, 3/6/15 - 4 pst, 7 est

Kingster

Hall of Famer
You get beat by Orlando who is without one of their two best players and then you open the wound, rub salt, lemon and cayenne pepper in it when you have to watch the guy we could have had - Payton - look much, much better than the guy we got - Stauskas. I swear it seems like PDA did the same mistake with Stauskas that Petrie did with Jimmer. Petrie thought Jimmer was a complement for Tyreke. Wrong. And I really think PDA was the complement for Cousins. Wrong again. Never ever draft a guy for need.
 
You get beat by Orlando who is without one of their two best players and then you open the wound, rub salt, lemon and cayenne pepper in it when you have to watch the guy we could have had - Payton - look much, much better than the guy we got - Stauskas. I swear it seems like PDA did the same mistake with Stauskas that Petrie did with Jimmer. Petrie thought Jimmer was a complement for Tyreke. Wrong. And I really think PDA was the complement for Cousins. Wrong again. Never ever draft a guy for need.
Err... Drummond? Leonard would have fit the need of our giant SF hole going back to Artest. Drafting for need isn't so much the issue as just drafting a good player plain and simple.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
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You need a hybrid PF. Someone who can block shots and protect the rim on defense, while shoot 3's on offense. Spacing has always been a problem because JTs always hovers around the paint. We need a non ball dominant SG nor SF because we need a star PG to keep with the rest of the league. Someone who can set up Cuz for easy shots and score. Having 3 ball dominant players in your starting lineup is terrible considering how high of a usage player Cuz is.
That's not an absolute. Now, it happens to be true with our personnel, because we have a SF who is better in the post and from midrange than he is from outside, but it would probably be easier to invert those characteristics, all things considered. It's a lot simpler to find a perimeter 3 than it is to find a quality "stretch 4."

If we are going to build around Cousins and Gay as a duo then, yes, you absolutely need a "stretch 4" as a starter. Just saying that such a player is not required to play with a guy like Cousins. More importantly, what we need from our starting PF is a guy who can defend "stretch" PFs.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You need a hybrid PF. Someone who can block shots and protect the rim on defense, while shoot 3's on offense. Spacing has always been a problem because JTs always hovers around the paint. We need a non ball dominant SG nor SF because we need a star PG to keep with the rest of the league. Someone who can set up Cuz for easy shots and score. Having 3 ball dominant players in your starting lineup is terrible considering how high of a usage player Cuz is.

So you need to somehow trade for Ibaka or draft Towns or Turner
Then substitute Ben for Wesley Matthews or Danny Green
And trade Rudy Gay for Chandler Parsons
Then trade Collison for Jrue Holiday

I think the NBA has become a guard driven league. It is much easier to build around a PG than it is to build around a Center. It's harder to build around the strengths and negatives of a center than it is to build around a point guard. Not to mention our very limited assets to actually acquire new talent and upgrade the roster. Hope Karl can create a team that compliments Cuz....need Pete to do his GM magic though.
The NBA has made the game easier for little guards by rewriting the rules so the insects can all run around free like scuttling little cockroaches, but if you think for a MINUTE that if Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, Moses Malone, Shaq, Admiral and Mourning were in this next draft that teams would be nibbling on their finger nails and going oh noes! How can we possibly build around these big slow guys who don't even shoot threes! you would be...well, quite possibly a member of our front office.

Its been a lack of supply. There haven't been HOF big men entering the league and being reduced to roleplayers (if you think there have been, name them). The supply has been cut at the lower levels. We are one of the luckiest teams in the last 20 years. WE are the franchise who finally found another post beast. And we have not had one ****ing clue what to do with him. Its really quite pathetic, and I really feel personally responsible because I didn't get started on earning my first $1billion until too late in life, and now there probably isn't time to get the money together to buy the franchise, demote PDA to assistant janitor in charge of latrines, toss Golden State out of a moving van in East Oakland in his boxers at 2:00am some night, and hold a welcome back Kings fans party complete with giant Vivek pinata filled with worthless Palms Casino chits.
 
The NBA has made the game easier for little guards by rewriting the rules so the insects can all run around free like scuttling little cockroaches, but if you think for a MINUTE that if Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, Moses Malone, Shaq, Admiral and Mourning were in this next draft that teams would be nibbling on their finger nails and going oh noes! How can we possibly build around these big slow guys who don't even shoot threes! you would be...well, quite possibly a member of our front office.

Its been a lack of supply. There haven't been HOF big men entering the league and being reduced to roleplayers (if you think there have been, name them). The supply has been cut at the lower levels. We are one of the luckiest teams in the last 20 years. WE are the franchise who finally found another post beast. And we have not had one ****ing clue what to do with him. Its really quite pathetic, and I really feel personally responsible because I didn't get started on earning my first $1billion until too late in life, and now there probably isn't time to get the money together to buy the franchise, demote PDA to assistant janitor in charge of latrines, toss Golden State out of a moving van in East Oakland in his boxers at 2:00am some night, and hold a welcome back Kings fans party complete with giant Vivek pinata filled with worthless Palms Casino chits.
That's the thing!

We have the most dominant big man since Shaq, and we have no damn clue on how to use him. It's like if a Caspian Tiger randomly popped up somewhere in Asia and biologists are clueless on what to do with him. They have history and records on how Caspian Tigers lived, but they'd have no clue on what to feed him, how/where they should shelter him, and etc. It's just havoc!

Weird ass analogy, yes... but same thing with Cuz. One of the most talented big man of the past decade suddenly arrives in an era where the age of dominant big men is extinct. The new focus is now on guards. How can you really build around him? What ways can you make him better? How do you find teammates to compliment him? Where does he work best? How can he help his teammates? How can his teammates help him? and ETC.


I think it's complicated to build around a big man in the NBA where it is a guard driven league.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
That's the thing!

We have the most dominant big man since Shaq, and we have no damn clue on how to use him. It's like if a Caspian Tiger randomly popped up somewhere in Asia and biologists are clueless on what to do with him. They have history and records on how Caspian Tigers lived, but they'd have no clue on what to feed him, how/where they should shelter him, and etc. It's just havoc!

Weird ass analogy, yes... but same thing with Cuz. One of the most talented big man of the past decade suddenly arrives in an era where the age of dominant big men is extinct. The new focus is now on guards. How can you really build around him? What ways can you make him better? How do you find teammates to compliment him? Where does he work best? How can he help his teammates? How can his teammates help him? and ETC.


I think it's complicated to build around a big man in the NBA where it is a guard driven league.
Analogy fail: contrary to what you may have been told, dominant big men never actually went extinct. Endangered? Sure. Extinct? Hardly.

You're still experiencing the same concept error. It's not complicated; it's the easiest thing to do in basketball. The only reason I can think of for why you think it's complicated is because you are seeing the current trend of how teams are being built to feature guard play, and drawing from that the (incorrect) conclusion that this trend would, in some meaningful way, prevent a team from being built around a dominant big man. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

It's only complicated if you've already convinced yourself that you can't do it.
 
Recently George Karl is learning what Malone realized: feed Cousins as much as possible. When he's not in, feed Rudy Gay in the post.

George Karl got some things right that Malone hadn't yet realized: first, run the break as much as possible, but be smart about it; second, encourage your guards to slash, not always take the jump shot. Our forwards in Cousins, Gay, and Thompson can shoot the jump shot at par with our guards, which gives a good opportunity for the guards to use dribble-drive kick-out. They can even stay in the post and receive a pass from a driving guard, as we have seen mahmengmang McCallum do these recent games. Ben needs to show that he can pass off of drives. Otherwise he would limit himself to an athletic finisher. Not to mention, no one would then fall for his Rondo fake :p

Malone never had the time to figure this out, unfortunately.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
This is true. Who knows how Nik would look with a longer leash. For the record, I like Nik's skill set, I still think he can develop into a scoring spark off the bench at the least.

... still, with how hard our FO was going after Rondo, you'd think they would take the Rondo-esque PG in the draft. Just another notch in the Vivek **** up belt, I suppose.
I'm not ready to write Nik off just yet...a shooter has to keep shooting, that's what got him to the point where he is. As far as Payton, it would be nice to have defense from the PG spot but I don't think Payton is anything special as of right now, obviously let's revisit these two prospects in another 3-4 years.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
If Nik could play defense like Payton he would be starting as well, Payton earned his playing time, Nik did everything to lose his.
I don't think it has much to do about defense and more about the franchises current situations. Orlando is rebuilding so they want to get their youth out there as much as possible, the Kings on the other hand were making an attempt to get to the playoffs so the possibilities of them playing a rookie was going to be slim, even with Ben struggling as much as he has, he has that one year of experience of starting.