iowamcnabb
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Injuries matter, sure. Clips are missing Norman too. Plus they are one of the best defenses in the league. Hard to score on
[Game] 63/82: Kings @ Clippers, 09 MAR 2025, 6:30p PT/9:30p ET
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Injuries matter, sure. Clips are missing Norman too. Plus they are one of the best defenses in the league. Hard to score on
iowamcnabb
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he averaged 15 a game last year compared to 12 his rookie year. He shot around 38 percent from 3 after November last season. Same thing has happened this year
KingsFanSince85
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The KINGS won this game in regulation if not for the corrupt foul reversal by the officials. Everyone here knows they don’t reverse that call if that had been the KINGS on defense and Harden or Kawhi shooting that shot. No chance. We’ve all seen this movie before.
And we would have rightfully won this game playing w/o Domas and Monk. The KINGS are most definitely better than this crappy overrated Clippers team that’s only getting by off the reputation of two players 5 years past their primes that have zero shot of winning anything.
I’m far past tired seeing KINGS teams play hard like this for 48 minutes, deserving to win the game, only to have it stolen away by the league.
Clearly the league didn’t think their thievery in Denver was enough so they doubled down tonight.
Rob-The-Great
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I honestly don't understand the lack of respect for Ellis. Listen I get Jake was defending good this game but come on man. When is Ellis going to get some respect. You take our our best defender for....defense?
Probably so that they wouldn't look worse than they were? The shot clock that wasn't was a home team error and probably shouldn't have even been reviewed since they actually let it play, and the out of bounds call was them upholding their own call. I'd hardly say they made up for re-writing the foul rules. They said it was contact and justified it as ok because it was after the release. I've been watching this game 40 years. Was there a recent rule change before tonight I was unaware of? Harden's whole career used to be selling contact after his release.
fansinceday1
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I’m gonna go ahead and say what no one else wants to say.
I like the way this team plays without Domas and monk. I’m not saying this team is better. They aren’t. I just prefer the way they play minus Domas and monk. With the exception of derozan hero ball at the end of games. I don’t like that.
I like the way this team plays without Domas and monk. I’m not saying this team is better. They aren’t. I just prefer the way they play minus Domas and monk. With the exception of derozan hero ball at the end of games. I don’t like that.
Rob-The-Great
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They both gave up drives. Ellis makes plays 90% of the time when you need it. You gotta live and die with that talent
megapoxy
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And now to make things worse we have a back to back against a team that plays quite tough against us (and not so many fouls are given).
This losing in OT with a buzzer beater reminds me of Lillard's shot (the laptop presser) and was it after that when we lost at Phoenix (again with refs involved) despite having been up big in the 4th quarter?
It is sort of a miracle how we didn't have so many turnovers. There were times that nobody could even handle the ball, Deebo had his back turned before even crossing the center at some point to make sure he won't lose it but it definitely cost us since this was our worst shooting game from 3 after the All Star break.
Those 2 minutes that Fultz played, I don't know why he got back to the bench that fast, I get it for the previous game(s) but this time it was too soon to take him out and he didn't do something to justify that small playing time.
Also IJ could have played instead of Lyles but ok that is easy to be said after the match looking how things went.
This losing in OT with a buzzer beater reminds me of Lillard's shot (the laptop presser) and was it after that when we lost at Phoenix (again with refs involved) despite having been up big in the 4th quarter?
It is sort of a miracle how we didn't have so many turnovers. There were times that nobody could even handle the ball, Deebo had his back turned before even crossing the center at some point to make sure he won't lose it but it definitely cost us since this was our worst shooting game from 3 after the All Star break.
Those 2 minutes that Fultz played, I don't know why he got back to the bench that fast, I get it for the previous game(s) but this time it was too soon to take him out and he didn't do something to justify that small playing time.
Also IJ could have played instead of Lyles but ok that is easy to be said after the match looking how things went.
If you want to go with "Keegan can't play in November" instead of he was being misused in the offense have at it.
iowamcnabb
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So I re-watched the last two minutes. Hurt even more.
Lavine spashes a jumper to make it a seven point lead with 1:46 left.
Klaw hits miracle bounce three ways and one.
Jonas illegal screen
Jonas switches on to Harden for some reason instead of Laravia sticking him. Zoo gets loose for drive.
The Review happens.
we decide to jump Jonas who NEVER wins jump balls and barely even got off the ground instead of Keegan who is 3 inches shorter but double the vertical. Explain why we have to jump the center?
Deebo takes bad top of the key three
so much had to go wrong and it all did.
On the flip side, we haven’t had a buzzer beater loss this year right? I GUESS we were due.
Lavine spashes a jumper to make it a seven point lead with 1:46 left.
Klaw hits miracle bounce three ways and one.
Jonas illegal screen
Jonas switches on to Harden for some reason instead of Laravia sticking him. Zoo gets loose for drive.
The Review happens.
we decide to jump Jonas who NEVER wins jump balls and barely even got off the ground instead of Keegan who is 3 inches shorter but double the vertical. Explain why we have to jump the center?
Deebo takes bad top of the key three
so much had to go wrong and it all did.
On the flip side, we haven’t had a buzzer beater loss this year right? I GUESS we were due.
megapoxy
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Jonas won one jumpball (the overtime one? not sure exactly).
iowamcnabb
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I will. 3 months with sub 30 percent shooting from 3 in his career, all Novembers. Usage is a problem too, we said that when we brought Deebo in this offseason.
iowamcnabb
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fair enough, but he barely gets off the ground and loses most of them. I’ve just always wondered why it has to be a center when the refs give the team an option of any player.
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iowamcnabb
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the high five thing is something I hadn’t heard of until this season but I hear it all the time this year so I assumed it was an offseason adjustment but can’t say for sure
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KingsFanSince85
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If you truly believe the Clippers are one of the best defenses in the NBA I’ve got ocean front property in New Mexico to sell you. They’ve got James Harden in their lineup playing heavy minutes for Pete’s sake. And numerous other players not ever known for their defensive abilities, such as Bogdanovich.
They play in the 2nd largest market and have two big name relics on their roster. So the league allows them a different level of defensive latitude. And as we saw tonight, they also get beneficial whistles and reviews though out the game.
Before the season began, if you took the current Clippers roster and coaching staff and placed them in Sacramento with “KINGS” across their chests from the start of the season — there’s no chance they are “one of the best defenses”. They wouldn’t be allowed to be, even if they truly possessed that kind of defensive talent and coaching.
These games are partially unscripted and real, but also partially WWE orchestrated entertainment where the audience favorites triumph.
Rob-The-Great
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Not going to lie. When we replace debo for a pf who can guard the rim next to Sabonis, we will be a better team. May not look as pretty, but I for one hate hero ball
megapoxy
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The high five has worked for our benefit earlier in the season, BUT when it was actually a high five. Getting the wrist and the lower part of the hand from the side is a different thing. Never saw a call get overturned like this before.
Watched the 2nd half with Clippers announcers cause it was on local TV here, there were 2 calls that Kings were in favor (a foul on JV not given and a double dribble/travel also not given) but if I heard well (cause there was 1 todller and 2 little girls in the room shouting) they thought Deebo was fouled (they called it a "non high five") and that Keegan blocking foul their first impression watching the replay was that it was offensive foul ("and Kings bench thought the same that's why they challenge this").
megapoxy
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Kawhi is a good defender, Dunn, DJJ, and Zubac too. I am sorry but they have been good in the defense and their record is impressive given the not so strong roster especially with Kawhi sidelined in the start of the season. They don't always win "because of the refs". Lue has been tremendous for them, lately they have a bad stretch mostly because of Powell's injury that hurts their 3 point shot, but they are a team that fights and should have won 1 of those matches at Lakers if it hadn't been for the refs against them there.
Harden was the one standing out tonight, true playmaker, knows when to pass when to shoot, when to draw the foul, we don't have someone like him like they don't have someone like Zach for instance.
iowamcnabb
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They are absolutely one of the best defenses. Great defensive coach, center (Zubac), guard (Dunn) Wing (Klaw) Wing (Batum) Wing (Jones)
iowamcnabb
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Yeh admittedly I’m surprised they overturned it but they got very good looks at it and ruled it incidental. That means one of 3 things: the ref has poor judgement in regards to interpretation of incidental contact, the Global Cabal phoned in the fix or it was the right call.
megapoxy
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Clearly something was up, i mean from all the angles the "hit" was obvious, there must have been a disagreement between them but ok perhaps it was the right call, no clue with all those rules changing every now and then.
KingsFanSince85
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That’s the thing, we have decades of viewing experience over thousands and thousands of games knowing how these things are overwhelmingly called/ruled.
Anyone that’s watched this ”entertainment” league long enough should be able to easily recognize and understand that it’s not even so much the technicality or spirit of the rules but rather which players were involved in the play. That’s what factors in the most. Because rules are applied subjectively.
Think back to Kobe Bryant delivering a near knockout blow forearm to Mike Bibby’s face causing it to instantly bleed yet Bibby being called for a foul. If the roles were reversed in the same situation and given circumstances, Bibby gets whistled for the offensive foul.
The act itself would have been no different. Just the outcome based upon the players identity and team. Replay offsets that at times, but we still often see replay inexplicably fail to correct an obvious call. I‘ve seen some pretty egregious replay calls just this season involving teams other than the KINGS.
When the games mean the most, the NBA can and still does orchestrate them as they see fit. So does the NFL. So does NCAA. That’s the downside of such a subjective sport (wrt officiating).
I’ll happily backtrack if/when small market and/or non-marquee players and franchises are largely the ones benefitting from slanted officiating. You cannot sell me on the notion that it’s all a coincidence that the league biggest of stars and most marquee franchises are the ones benefiting seemingly 95% of the time.
When have the Lakers ever lost a big playoff series in the same way the KINGS did in 2002? Especially so to a franchise not in the same rarefied air as they are?
How often do the Lakers and Celtics have multiple wins stolen from them in the same fashion that the KINGS have the past 5 days?
Rhetorical questions.
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No chance.....he's barely in there for 3 seconds and then the shot goes up (which means the count is off). I don't even think you'd see this called in a 4th grade game.
KingsFanSince85
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I never claimed that Kawhi, Dunn, or DJJ weren’t good defenders. Kawhi is nowhere near what he used to be, but I digress.
The KINGs have good defenders too. But they also have some average or poor defenders playing heavy minutes in their rotation. So do the Clippers. That’s the point.
Difference is, the larger market franchise and especially more marquee franchises get away with more on defense. That doesn’t mean that they play great defense. Or defense at the level that the “stats” suggest.
If you want to foolishly believe that the Clippers are an elite defensive team — great for you. But I submit that you’re missing some big pieces of the overall larger puzzle of why that is.
Go rewatch the game and see how many more fouls they got away with compared to the KINGS. Then do the same for the Denver game.
It’s all there plain as day to see if you really want to see the truth.
Joshyjosh31
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Wonder what we’re gonna look like with monk and Sabonis back the pick and roll defense should be better with Sabonis but the defense will regress plugging monk for ellis. The offense should take off hopefully monk is over his shooting slump
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