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[SacKings4Life21]

Sacramento Trade BreakdownOutgoing

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutesVitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutesJason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
5.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutesIncoming

Kenyon Martin
6-9 PF from Cincinnati
12.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.6 minutes

Steven Hunter
7-0 C from DePaul
6.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 19.1 minutesChange in team outlook: -1.5 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and -3.1 apg.


Denver Trade BreakdownOutgoingKenyon Martin
6-9 PF from Cincinnati
12.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.6 minutesIncomingKenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
9.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutesVitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutesChange in team outlook: -1.3 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Philadelphia Trade BreakdownOutgoingSteven Hunter
7-0 C from DePaul
6.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 19.1 minutesIncomingJason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutesFrancisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
5.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutesChange in team outlook: +2.8 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and +2.2 apg.

Kenyon and KT has 1 important thing in common... a long bad contract. The reason I like this trade is because we unload KT who really doesnt do much for us for his price... and we can get Kmart who (when he plays well) is an allstar and does the things we need a PF to do. BLock and rebound. He scores to. I REALIZE he is injury prone... but i figure if we are going to have a lame contract... an all star player with a bad contract is better than a role player with a bad contract.

Steven Hunter is just for a back up. I like his game... and would fit our team well. Phili hasn't been to happy with him and are looking to unload some contract space. Garcia is a promising piece and hart is just a mil to come off the books... thats all he is good for haha. but could be point guard depth if they unload AI.

A line up of

PG Mike/Salmons
SG Kmart/Salmons/Douby
SF Ron/Salmons
PF Kmart/SAR/Hunter
C Miller/Hunter

For those of you who wanted to pay bonzi 5 years 6o mil... this is gonna be about that but we unload contracts and fit needs.... lemmie know what u think

(Kmart for KT/Pot works without anything with Phili... so you can comment on that single trade alone or simply hunter for hart and garcia)

 

[Kings113]

Think you're forgetting Price on the roster too.

 

[D-Mass]

Kenyon Martin STINKS. He is one of the most overrated players in the league. I want to get rid of KT as much as the next person, but I wouldn't even trade Garcia for KMart straight up. He's a bust.

 

[Amanjoy]

I've never been much of a fan of Kenyon Martin. He's not an upgrade really at all from KT when you think about it.

He's an undersized PF with no jump shot, limited post game that is known more for his athleticism, rebounding and interior defense. Kenyon gets more hoopla because he was a #1 pick, but I really don't think he's that good and never have! Plus, his attitude isn't much better than KT's! He's a headcase that never comes to play unless he's starting and all his demands are met. But tell me really...what has he done in his career to deserve that treatment? Aboslutely nothing! They call him KMart which in reality I think suits him as a nickname more than our KMart because Kenyon isn't worth what they're paying him and his real price tag is something you'd see on the shelves of Kmart!

Kenyon can stay in Denver for all I care! He's just a higher profile version of KT.

Plus George KArl has pretty much said that Martin isn't going anywhere and that's fine by me!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4887440,00.html

 

[BMiller52]

The trade looks odd and I can't tell who's giving/getting who.

You're going to see a lot of KMart bashing, I'm not sure why half of the forum members here hate him but they do. You're going to here "he's overrated! he sucks! he's a bust! he's overpaid! he has no game! he has no J! He sucks!" from a bunch of people who have never watched him play. Yet somehow while being injured, overpaid, and having no game he managed to get more PPG, RPG, BPG, than SAR while recovering from a much worse injury, and having a worse coach.

 

[nbrans]

The trade looks odd and I can't tell who's giving/getting who.

You're going to see a lot of KMart bashing, I'm not sure why half of the forum members here hate him but they do. You're going to here "he's overrated! he sucks! he's a bust! he's overpaid! he has no game! he has no J! He sucks!" from a bunch of people who have never watched him play. Yet somehow while being injured, overpaid, and having no game he managed to get more PPG, RPG, BPG, than SAR while recovering from a much worse injury, and having a worse coach.

That's because all of that is true.

 

[BMiller52]

That's because all of that is true.

Yeah like you guys can fairly judge a player you rarely watch. That is why he's been to two finals(don't even give me that BS Kidd carried him there, Kidd is a great player but he needed SOME HELP). That's why he's WON like 6 times as many playoff games as SAR has EVER PLAYED?

Just admit that you don't watch him much and you don't no much about his game so you believe all this BS the critics say.

 

[Jerryaki]

^ part of it was kidd helped carry him, the other is that the east was really the leastern conference back then. absolutely no competition.

you don't need to watch kenyon martin in depth to know his game. a few games here and there, read the recaps, check out the box, watch the highlights...it gives you a good enough feel for his game. he may be better stat-wise than SAR but he comes at many times the price.

 

[Sac.Kings]

He would help a lot, but his attitude is a question and always has been. His knees also concern me. His contract is huge, but if we get rid of KT and filler then fine.

 

[Bricklayer]

Martin doesn't "suck", but he has a lethal combination of bad attitude, bad knees, and ridiculous monster contract that make him more or less untouchable. At his peak he was no more than a good player getting paid superstar money, but now? Last year he was one of the most overpaid guys in the league and only able to help the Nuggets one game in three. If we're really going to go get a microfracture PF with a big contract in here, let's go get back the one who still puts up 20-10, not marginally productive limping problem children like Martin or Randolph.

 

[SacTownKid]

Difference is that Martin is still a very good defender. The game isn't all about stats as the 20-10 player you mention proves.

 

[Entity]

Say the name Brick say the name!!






Chris Webber!!!

 

[Entity]

Kind of strange but the posters who were not fans of Webber at all and bashed him daily have got to look at our PF situation since we traded him and just wonder what it would be like. For instance right now

Bibby/Salmons/Price/Douby
Martin/Salmons/Garcia/Douby
Artest/Garcia/Martin/Salmons
Webber/SAR/Amundson
Miller/Webber/Williams/Amundson

 

[NewMonkey]

Interesting fact from looking at the trade posted above. In his worst season in terms of blocked shots, Stephen Hunter played 9.7 minutes/game and averaged more blocks than anyone on the 2005-2006 Kings.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well actually, I am of the opinion that Webber wouldn't fit in. Or Artest wouldn't. Artest is going to handle ball quite a bit and with Webber here it would take the ball out of his hands. And our interior problems would be even worse.

 

[BMiller52]

Yeah I agree with SacTownKid. Webber and Artest probably wouldn't mesh too well because Webber wants to have the ball so he can pass while Ron wants to be the main man. Our interior defense would be even worse because Chris can't play D anymore. SAR wouldn't have signed with us either.

BTW KMart still plays very good man to man D.

 

[D-Mass]

The trade looks odd and I can't tell who's giving/getting who.

You're going to see a lot of KMart bashing, I'm not sure why half of the forum members here hate him but they do. You're going to here "he's overrated! he sucks! he's a bust! he's overpaid! he has no game! he has no J! He sucks!" from a bunch of people who have never watched him play. Yet somehow while being injured, overpaid, and having no game he managed to get more PPG, RPG, BPG, than SAR while recovering from a much worse injury, and having a worse coach.

Don't make assumptions like that...there are some pretty intelligent basketball fans on this board.




Oh yeah...he's STILL overrated.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Kenyon Martin has too many question marks around him. He is inconsistant and his attitude sucks. He might be a little overrated, but i still like what he brings.

 

[Kings113]

I know the guy can play and like his game. I just don't like his unproven health, and then add the contract on with that.

If Kenyon plays at least 68-70+ games, I'm fine with that. You're just taking a risk in counting on him to do that.

 

[Bricklayer]

Difference is that Martin is still a very good defender. The game isn't all about stats as the 20-10 player you mention proves.

Indeed, but you have it backwards -- the 20-10 guy was still an impact player last time he was here after the knee injury. Indeed left town as the reigning player of the month as I recall. Martin on the other hand wasn't the type of impact player BEFORE the knee surgery as that 20-10 player was AFTER. Now take Martin and ruin his knee and you end up with 12.9pts 6.3rebs of modest production at the low low price of a max contract. Then throw in a bad attitiude, and all of 56 games, to the 20-10 guy's 75, and you have a blowout of epic proportions.

 

[Jerryaki]

Say the name Brick say the name!!






Chris Webber!!!

lol, that was hilarious.

 

[kingkung]

Martin doesn't "suck", but he has a lethal combination of bad attitude, bad knees, and ridiculous monster contract that make him more or less untouchable. At his peak he was no more than a good player getting paid superstar money, but now? Last year he was one of the most overpaid guys in the league and only able to help the Nuggets one game in three. If we're really going to go get a microfracture PF with a big contract in here, let's go get back the one who still puts up 20-10, not marginally productive limping problem children like Martin or Randolph.

Lawrence Funderburke?




Ohhh... 20-10 per game... n/m

 

[bajaden]

Dare I bring up the names of Derrick Smith and Ralph Sampson. Both players the Kings traded for that had bad knee's at the time. Does anyone think that Petri, who traded away the best player in King's recent history because of knee problems is going to make a trade to bring in another less talented player with knee problems and a big contract. I need a drink...

 

[NugzFan]

Kenyon Martin STINKS. He is one of the most overrated players in the league. I want to get rid of KT as much as the next person, but I wouldn't even trade Garcia for KMart straight up. He's a bust.

overpaid? yes. a bust? no. not even close.

 

[hammystyle]

Now take Martin and ruin his knee and you end up with 12.9pts 6.3rebs of modest production at the low low price of a max contract. Then throw in a bad attitiude, and all of 56 games, to the 20-10 guy's 75, and you have a blowout of epic proportions.

Brick - you are the champion of per-minute averages. That 12.9 and 6.3 came in 27 mpg. His per-minute averages were right in line with the rest of his career.

I don't see any need to compare him to Webber, he's not an option.

Kenyon Martin is really overpaid, is a pretty big injury risk, and is a small character risk (thugh I think people are blowing this WAY out of proportion). But he's still young, and he's a great defender who would really fill in a lot of the Kings gaps. He's not a great rebounder (not bad though), but I think he'd fit great on the Kings if they brought him in. I can see not wanting to take a risk on the contract and the knees, but the violent reaction as though he is some horrible player and person seems weird to me.

 

[SacTownKid]

Indeed, but you have it backwards -- the 20-10 guy was still an impact player last time he was here after the knee injury. Indeed left town as the reigning player of the month as I recall. Martin on the other hand wasn't the type of impact player BEFORE the knee surgery as that 20-10 player was AFTER. Now take Martin and ruin his knee and you end up with 12.9pts 6.3rebs of modest production at the low low price of a max contract. Then throw in a bad attitiude, and all of 56 games, to the 20-10 guy's 75, and you have a blowout of epic proportions.

Stat hound. Thats what you are...A STAT HOUND!

You give Kenny Thomas 40 minutes a game like CWebb and his production is pretty close to Webb's at this point.

 

[KingKong]

Martin doesn't "suck", but he has a lethal combination of bad attitude, bad knees, and ridiculous monster contract that make him more or less untouchable. At his peak he was no more than a good player getting paid superstar money, but now? Last year he was one of the most overpaid guys in the league and only able to help the Nuggets one game in three. If we're really going to go get a microfracture PF with a big contract in here, let's go get back the one who still puts up 20-10, not marginally productive limping problem children like Martin or Randolph.

At his peek he had Jason Kidd. I think that pretty much sums it up.

 

[hammystyle]

At his peek he had Jason Kidd. I think that pretty much sums it up.

His production per minute has hardly changed in Denver. In fact, his shooting percentage has gone up. His strength, the reason why you'd want him anyways, is that he is a tremendous defensive player.

 

[Bricklayer]

His production per minute has hardly changed in Denver. In fact, his shooting percentage has gone up. His strength, the reason why you'd want him anyways, is that he is a tremendous defensive player.

That "tremendous" is largely rep left over from college. He is a good defensive player and certainly pays attention on that side, but somewhat less so now with the knee hampering. But he's smallish and can be overpowered. Despite the big collegiate numbers, he really hasn't been a big shotblocker since his first year in the pros (less than 1 a game) and the size issue again comes into play as he's a middling defensive rebounder. I don't think he's ever made any first or second all defensive team, nor should he have. He's not a game changer there at this level.

As an aside, the Nuggets front line was completely decimated last year. Kenyon still only averaged 27mpg. Not all because he "sucked", but because his knee simply would not tolerate more. If he was on a midlevel contract you might be reasonably happy wiht that production, but would still be worried that the knee was going to leave you with a dead weight contract. But wiht the deal he's got, that's just an impossible financial risk. It can completely destroy your financial structure. Indeed is already the lead weight he Nuggets are desperately trying to move right now so they can pay for an OG.