Frightening rumor about Cousins

Phew, i thought it was gonna be something genuinely frightening.

like he was gonna be in a movie or something.
 
If Petrie sends Cousins to the D-League he deserves to get fired (I assume that is Petrie's call, not Westphal's)
 
We sent Hassan there because we value him so highly and yet (apparently) we want to send Cousins there because we want to punish him.

interesting contradiction and as i said in another thread it smacks of a vendetta.
 
If it happens I wonder if he'd be highest paid NBA player ever to end up with such a demotion. I believe Cousins' contract is around $16M with maybe half of as an option over last couple of years. Meanwhile, it sure seems idea of bringing in his high school coach as a babysitter and assistant coach has been a complete bust. Not that it wasn't worth a try. Next? Calipari?

Oh, I forgot about Hasheem Thabeet and his going to the D-League last season for awhile after being #2 overall pick of the Griz.
 
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Good ol' Grant thinks its a good idea for Cousins to be sent there.

@MrJoshAnderson: @GrantNapearShow - rumors of Cousins possibly being demoted to the D-League - thoughts?" Might not be a bad thing
 
Good ol' Grant thinks its a good idea for Cousins to be sent there.

@MrJoshAnderson: @GrantNapearShow - rumors of Cousins possibly being demoted to the D-League - thoughts?" Might not be a bad thing

Because reducing our much vaunted big man depth to Sammy D, Carl Landry, and Darnell Jackson is a good idea. Looks like Donte shouldn't have lost all that weight since he may end up having to play some 5, the way things are going.
 
The bigger concern is you lose the guy permanently, its an insult he does not forget, and he's gone when he gets his chance. I know that would be exactly the danger you would risk with me. I'm proud, and I'm vindictive, and I have the memory of an elephant.
 
The bigger concern is you lose the guy permanently, its an insult he does not forget, and he's gone when he gets his chance. I know that would be exactly the danger you would risk with me. I'm proud, and I'm vindictive, and I have the memory of an elephant.

That's my fear, too. Calipari said Cousins never forgets and that when he's 35, he'll try and score 50 on the teams that passed on him in the draft. You have to be careful how you handle a guy like that. Hardline discipline and public scapegoating just isn't a wise approach, it may backfire. If he feels like he's not appreciated and is being "made an example of" unfairly, he's likely to remember that down the road.
 
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Cuz, after a series of strong games, makes a (stupid) choking gesture and is going to get sent to the d-league?


WTF. Scapegoating? Panic buttoning?


This franchise has gone bonkers. Why cant the Kings just fire the coach like a normal cellar dwellar looking for a quick fix?

Edit: Read the article (I shoulda done that first!) and I agree with it.

Cousins had every right not to return the high five from Westphool after getting publicly humiliated by him (And this right after Cousins publicly humiliated himself at that!).
 
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This was my biggest fear when we drafted him. He has worlds of talent he's easily in my eyes the most talented offensive big man project the NBA has seen in sometime. He is just a immature kid and what does anybody really expect? But that's who we knew we were drafting but why isn't this franchise equipped to deal with this situation? Like it or not this kid will most likely mature in a couple years and my biggest fear is he will do it somewhere else. Bench him...fine him....do what you gotta do but there has to be someway to get to this kid without taking such drastic and assinie measures. I agree with a thought earlier of trying to get Chris Webber to mentor this kid. We are really having discussions like he's Ron Artest or Dennis Rodman which from what I'm reading is truly not the case.
 
Sending a player like Cousins to the D-league isn't the answer. Does anyone with half a brain really think that sending him down to the D-league is going to change his attitude. This is a proud young man. Rightly or wrongly, I'm sure that he feels he's been wronged to some degree. And I doulbt its basketball related. This is all about whose the boss. Cousins is a bright guy. He knows that Westphal is the boss. He knows that Petrie is the boss. Thats not the issue. The issue is respect. And it plays both ways. You don't get the respect of a player by disrespecting him. By embarrassing him in public. According to Calapari Cousins is a player that needs to have thngs explained to him and it has to make sense. He doesn't want to just go do something because the coach says so. He has to know why. To some that might be a sign of stubborness. But its actually a sign of intelligence. Intelligent people question. Sheep follow orders.

You want to help this kid? Send him to a good theropist. Someone that can help him deal with the new life he has. Someone to help him manage his temper, which he's actually done a good job at during games. He's a big kid with a big heart, who can't quite cope with everything. Prior to the game during warm ups, Cousins spent half his time signing autographs for little kids. He tood one of the kid and gave him a basketball and lifted him up to the basket so he could dunk the ball. This isn't a bad person. But he is a misunderstood person, and he does have a protective wall around him. You want to coach him? Then you have to build some trust with him. Unless you don't care. Unless he's just another player and he's not important. Unless he's not important enough to go the extra mile for. I suspect thats for the Maloofs to decide. This I know. I used to train hunting dogs. You don't get a dog to do what you want by beating or kicking it. You do have to make it understand that your the alpha male. But you also have to earn the respect of the dog, and treat the dog with respect. You certainly point out its mistakes, but you make an even bigger issue out of the things the dog does right. Because that is what you ultimately want the dog to do. The right thngs. If you only point out the bad things, and don't reward the good things, you'll lose the dog.

I'm not trying to dehumanized Cousins. Obviously he's not a dog. But I see no reason to treat a human being with less compassion and understanding than I would a dog. The Kings have a huge investment in Cousins. And it could pay huge dividends if things are done correctly. Or the entire thing could blow up in their face and they end up with nothing but a an embittered player that can't wait to move on to a different location. It happened to Nellie at Golden State with Webber. It could happen here. I hope for the sake of the organization and mostly us, the fans, they can find a way to peacefully resolve this, and keep this sort of thing out of the press in the future. Its not good for the team, Cousins, Westphal, or for us the fans. And I might add, this is very un-Petrie like. He doesn't like publicity. I can't imagine that he's behind any of this, other than having Westphal's back, which could be his undoing. Hopefully not.
 
As I've mentioned in the other thread, this is just playing with fire right here. I know somebody wants to discipline him, I don't know whether it's Westphal, Maloofs or Petrie but this is not the way to go. The guy just needs to play because you can clearly see that last night's game he seemed very disinterested in playing, IMO. Besides that, there is just nobody on this team that has the leadership, strong voice type of personality to pull him to the side and talk to him. There are way too many softspoken people on this team/organization. So, expect him to be immature and vocal and all that until someone can get through to him.
 
Sending a player like Cousins to the D-league isn't the answer. Does anyone with half a brain really think that sending him down to the D-league is going to change his attitude. This is a proud young man. Rightly or wrongly, I'm sure that he feels he's been wronged to some degree. And I doulbt its basketball related. This is all about whose the boss. Cousins is a bright guy. He knows that Westphal is the boss. He knows that Petrie is the boss. Thats not the issue. The issue is respect. And it plays both ways. You don't get the respect of a player by disrespecting him. By embarrassing him in public. According to Calapari Cousins is a player that needs to have thngs explained to him and it has to make sense. He doesn't want to just go do something because the coach says so. He has to know why. To some that might be a sign of stubborness. But its actually a sign of intelligence. Intelligent people question. Sheep follow orders.

You want to help this kid? Send him to a good theropist. Someone that can help him deal with the new life he has. Someone to help him manage his temper, which he's actually done a good job at during games. He's a big kid with a big heart, who can't quite cope with everything. Prior to the game during warm ups, Cousins spent half his time signing autographs for little kids. He tood one of the kid and gave him a basketball and lifted him up to the basket so he could dunk the ball. This isn't a bad person. But he is a misunderstood person, and he does have a protective wall around him. You want to coach him? Then you have to build some trust with him. Unless you don't care. Unless he's just another player and he's not important. Unless he's not important enough to go the extra mile for. I suspect thats for the Maloofs to decide. This I know. I used to train hunting dogs. You don't get a dog to do what you want by beating or kicking it. You do have to make it understand that your the alpha male. But you also have to earn the respect of the dog, and treat the dog with respect. You certainly point out its mistakes, but you make an even bigger issue out of the things the dog does right. Because that is what you ultimately want the dog to do. The right thngs. If you only point out the bad things, and don't reward the good things, you'll lose the dog.

I'm not trying to dehumanized Cousins. Obviously he's not a dog. But I see no reason to treat a human being with less compassion and understanding than I would a dog. The Kings have a huge investment in Cousins. And it could pay huge dividends if things are done correctly. Or the entire thing could blow up in their face and they end up with nothing but a an embittered player that can't wait to move on to a different location. It happened to Nellie at Golden State with Webber. It could happen here. I hope for the sake of the organization and mostly us, the fans, they can find a way to peacefully resolve this, and keep this sort of thing out of the press in the future. Its not good for the team, Cousins, Westphal, or for us the fans. And I might add, this is very un-Petrie like. He doesn't like publicity. I can't imagine that he's behind any of this, other than having Westphal's back, which could be his undoing. Hopefully not.

But strictly speaking, who's job is it to respect who first - the coach or the player? I have no doubt that Cousins is a good kid who just needs some maturity, I have never thought for once that he's going to be a cancer. At very worst we have someone like Rasheed Wallace - going to get called for a billion techs but it ends there. The thing is the team is struggling, Westphal is having enough problems as it is with his job on the line, his star player playing worse than a D-league pickup (I exaggerate, but still.) and his team just unable to pull away in games even though they seem to have won the game. I'm not really trying to defend Westphal, because those are the kind of things you sign up for as a head coach, but what I'm saying is Cousins isn't making it any easier. And the thing is Cousins, in all fairness to him, hasn't done diddly-squat to warrant spats with the coach, or to make choke signs and all. If he doesn't want to be humiliated, wants to be respected, he should act in a way that wouldn't put him in the position to be treated in any other way. You say that he's a bright kid, and I'll agree, as far as it goes on the court and learning basketball-related things. Making choke signs? Fighting with the coaching staff? That doesn't scream intelligence to me, it screams immaturity and rashness.

If we had real veteran leaders and a better record it'd be less big of a deal. Cousins would be able to grow at his own pace, learning how to control his emotions. But we're horrible, and I think the team and PW are showing Cousins tremendous respect by going to him repeatedly in the 4th quarter. You can blame other guys not moving, but the result has been that Cousins has not delivered so far, and with that said he hasn't earned the right to demand respect IMO. It's clear that Westphal, the Maloofs all think highly of Cousins, we wouldn't have drafted him otherwise, nor would we be giving him the ball as much as we are in the 4th. But if Cousins isn't doing his best to help the team in terms of his attitude, then at this point we may have no other choice but to try draconian methods of discipline like benching him and fining him. Do I think it's a good thing to do? No, but we need Cousins to step it up, and I'm sure they're open to suggestions if you have other ideas.
 
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This I know. I used to train hunting dogs. You don't get a dog to do what you want by beating or kicking it. You do have to make it understand that your the alpha male. But you also have to earn the respect of the dog, and treat the dog with respect. You certainly point out its mistakes, but you make an even bigger issue out of the things the dog does right. Because that is what you ultimately want the dog to do. The right thngs. If you only point out the bad things, and don't reward the good things, you'll lose the dog. I'm not trying to dehumanized Cousins. Obviously he's not a dog. But I see no reason to treat a human being with less compassion and understanding than I would a dog.

I love a good dog story (or go ahead, spell D-O-G backwards) -- any lesson that relates the love and training of such an animal to human behavior and success...
 
But strictly speaking, who's job is it to respect who first - the coach or the player?

I know this is a rhetorical question, but the answer isn't as obvious as you think. Westphal is the adult, and he needs to set an example. Some players naturally "respect their elders", but others make you earn their respect, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. So far the problems I've seen with Cousins didn't have anything to do with being selfish or a bad teammate. The problems with him, at least from what the reports tell us, is that, like bajaden mentioned, he doesn't do things just because, but he wants to know the purpose. I really appreciate that quality in Cousins. This attitude forces the coach and the team to not just go through the motions but to actually think things through. Yes, it's uncomfortable for a coach to be questioned, and it should probably be done behind closed doors without undermining his authority (just like his calling out Cousins should've been done behind closed doors), but it would benefit both Westphal and the team greatly if Westphal was forced to think about the things he does and explain them to the team in a non-BS way. If Westphal can come up with a reasonable explanation for his neverending lineup changes, the jerking around of players between starter and DNP-CD, and the different standards he has for different players, end provide that explanation to the players in a clear and respectful manner, that may be his only chance of winning back the team. Unfotunately, I seriously doubt he is able to do that.
 
I know this is a rhetorical question, but the answer isn't as obvious as you think. Westphal is the adult, and he needs to set an example. Some players naturally "respect their elders", but others make you earn their respect, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. So far the problems I've seen with Cousins didn't have anything to do with being selfish or a bad teammate. The problems with him, at least from what the reports tell us, is that, like bajaden mentioned, he doesn't do things just because, but he wants to know the purpose. I really appreciate that quality in Cousins. This attitude forces the coach and the team to not just go through the motions but to actually think things through. Yes, it's uncomfortable for a coach to be questioned, and it should probably be done behind closed doors without undermining his authority (just like his calling out Cousins should've been done behind closed doors), but it would benefit both Westphal and the team greatly if Westphal was forced to think about the things he does and explain them to the team in a non-BS way. If Westphal can come up with a reasonable explanation for his neverending lineup changes, the jerking around of players between starter and DNP-CD, and the different standards he has for different players, end provide that explanation to the players in a clear and respectful manner, that may be his only chance of winning back the team. Unfotunately, I seriously doubt he is able to do that.

Yes, but there's a difference between wanting to know why, and getting into an argument with the coach about it. It's like the LBJ thing. There's nothing wrong per se with him going to Miami, as he was a regular free agent. How he did it, is what everyone is upset about.

Again, I said that I am not really in favour of benching Cousins and all that stuff, but it's sort of a matter of what else can you do to get the message across to him? Tell him "Oh DeMarcus, we don't want you to make the choking sign when you haven't even won the game, because firstly it's an immediate technical foul and because the game isn't decided till the clock runs out"? We have to be patient with him, and explain things where necessary, but Cousins is our future, he has a significant role on the team, and so you can't let him just make some critical mistakes and let him get away with it. Cousins has turned the ball over repeatedly in a couple of games, but he wasn't called out for it or benched, and in fact PW defended him with the rookie excuse. Even with the high five thing, Westphal tried not to talk about it to the media. But things like the choking sign are going to be picked up by others around the league, and it's one of those things where I feel you have to really make a point to Cousins that it's wrong.

I suppose it all comes down to this. When you're raising a difficult kid, are you a believer in enforcing strict rules so that the kid is forced to be good or be punished, or would you rather be more patient with him and in a sense allow him to "be more naughty", while at the same time gently correcting him when he's wrong? It's a loose analogy, I know. In my opinion, you need a good balance of both with Cousins, which I think Westphal has done more or less. The problem I see is that because of the team's situation and Tyreke playing badly, Cousins needs to mature faster. It's good that Cousins wants to know the purpose and all that, but at this point the less distractions, the less trouble we have during practice and all the better. If Tyreke was playing better than last season and showed improvement like we hoped we would, then Cousins would be able to make a lot more mistakes, and we would be able to have more patience with him. That would certainly help his development as a player, both on the court and off. But now we need Cousins to be playing like a mature, seasoned player, we even need him to be a leader at times, and on the court he as sort of lived up to these needs for a couple of games.

I'm not blaming Cousins, he's been put in a tough situation that isn't fair to his development - slightly immature player on a team with no leader, not winning games, a questionable coach etc. But that doesn't mean he should be allowed to fight with coaches or trainers or anything of that sort.
 
Yes, but there's a difference between wanting to know why, and getting into an argument with the coach about it. It's like the LBJ thing. There's nothing wrong per se with him going to Miami, as he was a regular free agent. How he did it, is what everyone is upset about.

We already agreed that he is still young and immature and this would've been better handled behind closed doors, from both sides. However, when the coach's explanation smells like BS, it's no surprise that it evolves into an argument. Some players just take it and shut up. Cousins is not one of those players, at least not now.

I suppose it all comes down to this. When you're raising a difficult kid, are you a believer in enforcing strict rules so that the kid is forced to be good or be punished, or would you rather be more patient with him and in a sense allow him to "be more naughty", while at the same time gently correcting him when he's wrong?
Oh, I'm all for strict rules and not putting up with BS from any player/child. However, if I talk the talk, I also have to walk the walk. Meaning, first of all, the consequences of any action must be known in advance and knee-jerk punishments should not exist. And second of all, there can't be different consequences for different players for the exact same action. That stinks of hypocricy and will lose you the respect of the player instantaniously. Lastly, if the player asks you to do your job and explain what the purpose is behind your bizarre actions, you better have a good answer. Unfortunately, Westphal doesn't have answers, as we can see night in and night out in his postgame comments.

But now we need Cousins to be playing like a mature, seasoned player, we even need him to be a leader at times, and on the court he as sort of lived up to these needs for a couple of games.

We may need him to, but he is not there yet, and we knew that when we drafted him. We don't have a time machine that can take us four years into the future to bring the future DMC back to 2010. Nobody grows up on que, and if the Kings want to speed up the process of DMC becoming an adult then perhaps they shouldn't treat him like a child.
 
Guys, let's take a step back here. Here's the relevant quote from the Scott Howard Cooper article:

The possibility is increasing that the Kings will have serious conversations about sending DeMarcus Cousins...to the NBA Development League.

Parse that. Then parse it again.

This isn't a rumor. This is Scott Howard Cooper imagining what might be going on in the minds of the Kings front office. There is no "the Kings have had discussions according to a source" here, this is "the Kings might have discussions in the future". Just like they might have discussions about firing Westphal. Or firing Petrie. Or trading Tyreke for a bucket of cold potatoes. The Kings might have discussions about just about anything - we shouldn't panic because somebody speculates about what future discussions might be about.

There's a famous Dorothy Parker quote about Oakland that sums up this article, is all I'm saying.
 
Guys, let's take a step back here. Here's the relevant quote from the Scott Howard Cooper article:



Parse that. Then parse it again.

This isn't a rumor. This is Scott Howard Cooper imagining what might be going on in the minds of the Kings front office. There is no "the Kings have had discussions according to a source" here, this is "the Kings might have discussions in the future". Just like they might have discussions about firing Westphal. Or firing Petrie. Or trading Tyreke for a bucket of cold potatoes. The Kings might have discussions about just about anything - we shouldn't panic because somebody speculates about what future discussions might be about.

There's a famous Dorothy Parker quote about Oakland that sums up this article, is all I'm saying.

Glad you pointed that out because it's a pet peeve of mine. People often don't read things carefully enough, don't think about what the words are really saying. Then, they get all worked up over nothing.
 
The Kings aren't going to send DeMarcus Cousins to the D league. Is Cousins suffering growing pains his first year in the NBA? Yup. Is Westphal, much like a parent of a heastrong teenager, at times very frustrated with his young star? Yup again. Is this whole thing pretty much only getting ink because the team is playing so poorly and finding such unique and original ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Yup, yup, yup.

Cousins needs a mentor, someone who has gone through it and can help him to understand just what's going on. My choice would be Webber, but I can't see him taking the cut in pay to do it.

Cousins needs to grow up...and the Kings need to find a way to help him without breaking his spirit or giving in to his occasional misdeeds. I believe this will all work out but it's gonna take a lot of patience on both sides to get through it.
 
The Kings aren't going to send DeMarcus Cousins to the D league. Is Cousins suffering growing pains his first year in the NBA? Yup. Is Westphal, much like a parent of a heastrong teenager, at times very frustrated with his young star? Yup again. Is this whole thing pretty much only getting ink because the team is playing so poorly and finding such unique and original ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Yup, yup, yup.

Cousins needs a mentor, someone who has gone through it and can help him to understand just what's going on. My choice would be Webber, but I can't see him taking the cut in pay to do it.

Cousins needs to grow up...and the Kings need to find a way to help him without breaking his spirit or giving in to his occasional misdeeds. I believe this will all work out but it's gonna take a lot of patience on both sides to get through it.

VF21 you're back!
 
The Kings aren't going to send DeMarcus Cousins to the D league. Is Cousins suffering growing pains his first year in the NBA? Yup. Is Westphal, much like a parent of a heastrong teenager, at times very frustrated with his young star? Yup again. Is this whole thing pretty much only getting ink because the team is playing so poorly and finding such unique and original ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Yup, yup, yup.

Cousins needs a mentor, someone who has gone through it and can help him to understand just what's going on. My choice would be Webber, but I can't see him taking the cut in pay to do it.

Cousins needs to grow up...and the Kings need to find a way to help him without breaking his spirit or giving in to his occasional misdeeds. I believe this will all work out but it's gonna take a lot of patience on both sides to get through it.

Well said. Like I've said, the problem is that with the situation of the team now it's very hard for both sides to have patience with each other. We really need some sort of veteran leaders, especially if the coaches aren't doing a good enough job of helping the young guys out.
 
This franchise is falling apart pretty evidently. If the maloofs had even the slightest interest left in the Kings they would know whats in the best interests of the organisation. And thats keeping Cousins here not westphall or even Petrie. You cant just alienate and straightly speaking insult a guy like that. A guy that that also happened to be a huge talent. Un****inbelievable.
 
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