Freedom Of Trade

[SacTownKid]

Yep. The Kings have always had some problems on the boards. And yet, despite those problems, they have managed - primarily because of the excellent team game they play - to be right in the hunt at the end.

Exactly. That is why I think a trade to any of the players on the current roster could be disastrous. I look at every player and they are so integral to the team game they play so well. A better question is who is the one person that could go that would have the least repecussions as far as the team concerned?

I still say Peja. Once again though, I would hate to see him go.

P.S. Just for VF21...this is a business.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Funny thing is I don't remember Webber EVER being that athletic. Everyone talks about how he is so different after the knee. Sure it had its effect but he has always been kind of on the slow side. He is a fairly good athlete but I would call him more of a thinking player. Which I think is way better than athleticism in the long run. Thats why guys like Vlade have done so well.

For instance that around the back dunk in the Twolves game wasn't as much athleticism as it was hand eye quardination.

I don't know about that. Webb had some hops when he was younger and not suffering (as much) affects from his injuries.

 

[KP]

Kings offense

The offense doesn't seem to be the problem.. were up to the top 5 in the league and I'm pretty sure were still going to move up. Your not??

 

[VF21]

I don't know about that. Webb had some hops when he was younger and not suffering (as much) affects from his injuries.

Webb still has some moves. I think STK was saying that he's never been the big dunk machine, etc. that some people seem to want him to be...

Of course, I could be misinterpreting STK's comments entirely.

 

[piksi]

If Kings trade Pedja or Webber the whole game would change. Pedja opens up for everybody and Webber is pretty much 2/3 of our passing game. We have experienced and well sinchronized squad (when they want to). If we stay healthy anything is possible. Worst case scenario is another game 7 loss because no matter who we play it will need 7 games to beat us.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Webb still has some moves. I think STK was saying that he's never been the big dunk machine, etc. that some people seem to want him to be...

Of course, I could be misinterpreting STK's comments entirely.

Not only that but there are different degrees of athleticism. Are we talking about Garnett hops or Amare hops. I don't necessarily consider Duncan very "athletic" in those terms, but he can def. move and get up.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

If Kings trade Pedja or Webber the whole game would change. Pedja opens up for everybody and Webber is pretty much 2/3 of our passing game. We have experienced and well sinchronized squad (when they want to). If we stay healthy anything is possible. Worst case scenario is another game 7 loss because no matter who we play it will need 7 games to beat us.

:: pokes piksi with a stick::

Hello in there! Is the real piksi home?....

 

[SacTownKid]

this thread came to mind when you said that.. not going against you or anything... just check out the video http://forums.kingsfans.com/showthread.php?t=1328

Impressive stuff but you could put together a highlight reel of plays this season and be convinced Webber is a better athlete now then ever. He did have and still does have athletic highlights but he is not and never was an athletic player over a thinking big man.

VF21 gets what I am saying.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Impressive stuff but you could put together a highlight reel of plays this season and be convinced Webber is a better athlete now then ever. He did have and still does have athletic highlights but he is not and never was an athletic player over a thinking big man.

VF21 gets what I am saying.

I think that early on in his career, including college, Webb was a player, like most, who used his athleticism above all. As he's gotten old, wiser, and expanded his game and really started using the skills he's always had more, he has become more of a big man you are talking about. He never had a jumper until his last season in Washington and his post moves (those very few) have only gotten better here in his time in Sacramento. He's had to evolve his game and depend less on what was once his atleticism as he's pilled up these NBA seasons.

...IMHO.

 

[iheartBrad]

i really don't know why i even bother opening threads like this...i now have a headache...why can't we just not talk about trades until if or when the kings actually make one...don't ya think that would be the best time...cuz otherwise it just stirs people up....

 

[VF21]

P.S. Just for VF21...this is a business.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Kings have several advantages over every other team in the league:

1) best passing team, top to bottom, in the league.
2) best shooting team, top to bottom, in the league. (Seattle's trying to make a case for itself)
3) most experienced core in the league. Guys have played together for years and been through war after war.

We are a threat because of those things. They are what define this team and set us apart. We are smart, skilled, and very experienced. Young dumb and athletic teams can pose problems for us on sheer athleticism and energy, but like the old groundbound saavy guy on the pickup court, you look up at the end of the game and he has somehow waddled his way to victory.

So could we make a midseason trade? Oh sure. But those rarely work bring a championship, and would be almost sure to fracture the tightness and efficiency which set us apart from all but a handful of teams. Its certainly nothing you risk while it looks like there's a shot our strengths can carry us to a title without it. If we start to struggle and fade into the All-Star break, mayb you make a move out of a desperate attempt at rejuvenation. But far more likely as long as we are on pace for a decent playoff seed is we play out the season and see if this team's skill and experience is enough.

P.S. Now next summer, I think we will HAVE to make some sort of move. Our lack of athleticism HAS reached dangerous levels not seen since the dying days of the Celtics dynasty. But that's when you have a full offseason to make moves and craft a new team as you would like to without breaking up a team's cohesiveness mid-year.

 

[GoGoGadget]

LA SACTO FAN, you seem hell bent on convincing us 'round these parts that you think that a trade needs to be made. Great. Who goes? Who stays? Who's added?

See, that's the problem with the threads you've started. They cannot possibly inspire anything other than a bunch of bickering and arguing. If that was the intention, congrats, but it seems like an awful big waste of time to me. You seem fairly intelligent, and well spoken (well typed??), but unless you can offer anything more than a few inflammatory comments, you're not going to be taken very seriously. This, I think, is unfortunate. I'm all for having a bit more of devil's advocate around here.

As for your initial question? Its way too early in the season to start going nuts one way or the other. Let me see even two consecutive games during which half the players don't switch personalities. Hell, let me see 48 full minutes of the same guys out there before making that determination. I, personally, have not seen a single game in which it doesn't appear that, at some point, random players are being temporarily replaced with an identical twin from a parallel universe.

Sure, if I were GM for a day (thank goodness I'm not), and a dream trade came along, I'd be all for it. But, I really don't think it's out there. Everyone on our team for whom we could get anything even resembling fair value, would be very hard to let go of.

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

Guys,

Truthfully I joined this forum to be around people who liked what I did. There isn't a giant farm of Kings fans around Southern California. Some of you guys have been strangely antagonistic and I'm not sure why. I haven't been nasty in the slightest. Arrogantly insightful maybe, but not nasty.

I love the way they play basketball. I am on board. A fan. I have realized an obvious deficiency and a reality. Nothing more conspiratorial than that. I want them to win. IMHO they simply can not do it in the year 2004 - with today's competition - without at least one player that can soar around the boards. VF closed the last thread, and I just wanted some more feedback. Not attacks.

Hey I'm happy they're going to win 9 out of their next 10. I just want them to get past the early rounds. I strongly feel Petrie will still make a change and I hope I'm right - because I want them to win a title.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Do you intend to offer a suggestion at any point in time, or are you simply content to say, "the Kings can't win because?" Since you seem convinced that a trade in needed, propose one. Sell us on it. Make it work under the salary cap.

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

I did early in the thread. Why doesn't anyone realize that? Stojakovic and Jackson for Swift (or Posey) Watson and Battier. Or a deal for players with similar athletic ability. The big guy is the key - and a reasonable point guard. I love Jackson and even Peja but I just don't think it = a title these days.

 

[Bricklayer]

That deal is beyond ridiculous -- an All-Star and a 6th man of the Year for a whole bunch of nothing. Wouldn't mind having any of those guys on our bench. Wouldn't trade Peja for nay combination of them, let alone Peja AND bobby.

You don't win in the NBA by accumulating middling talent. You win on star power.

 

[piksi]

:: pokes piksi with a stick::

Hello in there! Is the real piksi home?....

Sorry, will not happen again

 

[Kingsgurl]

did early in the thread. Why doesn't anyone realize that? Stojakovic and Jackson for Swift (or Posey) Watson and Battier.

I think we were waiting for a GOOD trade.
Is arrogantly insightful really how you see yourself? Everyone and their Grandma knows the Kings lack athleticism, and that the addition of a SKILLED athletic Big would be perfect. Everyone is also realistic enough to realize that guys who fill that bill either A. are not available or B. would cost entirely too much in what we would have to give up skill wise to get. If you destroy the very things that make us good as a team to add mere athleticism you simply make us more like the rest of the pack. Athleticism alone is not enough to win a title either.

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

Hey Brick,

Already have Bibby, Webber, Miller and Christie - talking about a missing part. Those guys are plenty good. The deal would give them what I said they would lack. Uncle. Hysterically defensive. I'll root quietly from a distance.

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

Last add. The threads I've started are both on their way to a 1000 views. Is that what the forum is after or not?

 

[jeffjcalweb]

no! we only want people posting how good of a regular season team this is! don't talk about shortcomings of winning a title! grrrrr ... sigh. kings will entertain, be competitive and exit 2nd round, baring major injuries to either minni, SA and possibly phoenix. remember, we are just a cow town and are just heck dang happy to have a team! cow bell's a ringing, gotta go...

 

[bibbyweb]

No, I dont think we should make any trades. The team seems to be coming together pretty well. This would be one of the worst times to break it up!

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey Brick,

Already have Bibby, Webber, Miller and Christie - talking about a missing part. Those guys are plenty good. The deal would give them what I said they would lack. Uncle. Hysterically defensive. I'll root quietly from a distance.

*shrugs*

if you don't want a trade proposal criticized, perhaps you shouldn't post it?

And you just don't trade away stars for role players midseason if you're trying to win a championship. Can't recall that ever working. The teams that I remember making mid-season trades and winning the championship all ADDED stars (Sheed, Drexler, Aguirre etc.) not traded them away. We have needs, but you don't address them by trading away one of your two best players, unless you're getting back a player of equal caliber.

 

[Heuge]

Haven't we won 9 of 10?

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

Cool, brick. Can't agree with your ridiculous rating, though. Swift and Posey have both dominated the Kings before. Yeah, I know Peja got his number 40 or something last year, but the next time they played Posey destroyed him, actually injuring his elbow the rest of the season the night Peja lit him up. I do watch the Kings closely. I remember it was at the end of the game and Peja was still shooting late. I like the schedule. They're set up to win another 9 out of 10. After that, I'll bet ya they make a deal for a big guy though. It might just put them in championship range, too.

 

[webberfan]

i'd rather have posey than battier personally. but i don't think i have the guts to pull off this deal. before artest put himself out for the season, i would have gone for that trade, but it's too late for that now.

 

[piksi]

Haven't we won 9 of 10?

unless we winn 12 / 10 we will not be happy

 

[LA SACTO FAN]

After that horrid early schedule - they deserve their current cruise. IMHO they won't blow people out though. Lots of wins for chasing that four spot in playoffs. I doubt if they'll work their butts off as in previous years to chase any higher a seeding.

Last year was the worst very very easy early, and the schedule got brutal over the last 15 games.

 

[Heuge]

unless we winn 12 / 10 we will not be happy

There is much truth in that. I think for some, satisfaction could only come from a championship. My, how things have changed, when I left Sacto to Oregon in the summer of 1996, I would have been satisfied with a road win.