Fire Reggie Theus!

[VF21]

why is this thread only rated three stars..your only making reggie feel better when he reads it. so comon people think.. vote 5 stars.. send reggie back to hangtime. let him deal with anthony anderson as his starting shooting guard instead of our future.

It's "only rated three stars" because your 5 vote cancelled out my 1 vote...

Starting the thread as a joke would be one thing; actually believing it is just ludicrous at this point. People whined about Adelman and demanded rebuilding. Well, this is it...and it ain't gonna be pretty.

Right now, Theus has his hands full dealing with some kids that are really raw along with the absence of Brad and Cisco. Once those two return to the lineup, I fully expect to see some changes.

BUT this is not going to be a winning season. I hate to disillusion you, but I don't think Theus is going to peruse the board looking at thread rankings. For that reason, I'm going to do what should have been done in the first place...

Expect a poll to appear momentarily.

 

[Spike]

Put me down for "I'd like to see him do better."

Well, losing by 40 doesn't really sit well with me, regardless of youth. There were a lot of bone-headed plays by the kids (and Beno again pick-pocketed mid-court) - I did like the instant benching of Moore & Hawes for weak effort on the glass - if you want to send a message, this is the way to do it rather than blabbing/blathering during press conferences. Even though SW stinks, he's still giving his all, which is probably why he's getting minutes. I'm curious to see what happens when Miller returns.

One nit to pick:
Why didn't Theus play Kenny Thomas last night? Seriously, a chance for vengeance vs. his former team, meaning at least twice as many rebounds as Moore had (heck, maybe even 4 times as many rebounds!) I mean, if you're going to go crazy with the lineup, ride that train straight on down to nutsville.

 

[bajaden]

To me there's only one thing thats important right now, and its that the young players learn from all this. Anyone can go out and play and lose, but if you don't learn and improve from that experience, its worthless. Its too early to make that call now, but at some point, the powers that be will have to look at the team and decide if there's improvement or not.

If there isn't, then it has to fall on Reggie and his coaching staff. I personaly always felt better when Coachie was there, because he was such a good teacher of the fundamentals. I'm not sure who they have there now that fits that description. There's a big difference between knowing how to play the game and teaching it to someone else. As a rule, ex great players are not very good teachers, because the game came easily to them.

 

[Prince_XY]

I am leaning towards YES, for the simple reason that Regie doesn't seem to fit the current situation of the team. What the Kings need as a coach right now is someone bold enough to try new things. By trying new things, I mean things like walking away from the traditional way of SLOWLY DEVELOPING THE YOUNG PLAYERS and staying away from giving respect to the not-so-talented veterans by having them start.

Regie should know we are not just building a mediocre team. We are building a team that can compete with the elite teams in the future - at the very least a Playoff Team. And we better not waste time and opportunities to do it ASAP now that we already have some potential pieces to build a playoff team.

I suggest Theus better not waste too many precious playing time on Moore and Thomas, because clearly they are not the future of the Kings. The future of the Kings now belong to the young talented players - Hawes, Thompson, and Greene.

If Hawes and Thompson do not become starters and Greene not given significant playing time before the end of November, I suggest replacing Regie with someone who will fast track the development of our young players.

 

[bloom]

There's only two main things that are bothering me right now (besides the lack of team)...1st: Kenny is playing 2nd: Donte isn't.

To me there's only one thing thats important right now, and its that the young players learn from all this. Anyone can go out and play and lose, but if you don't learn and improve from that experience, its worthless. Its too early to make that call now, but at some point, the powers that be will have to look at the team and decide if there's improvement or not.

If there isn't, then it has to fall on Reggie and his coaching staff. I personaly always felt better when Coachie was there, because he was such a good teacher of the fundamentals. I'm not sure who they have there now that fits that description. There's a big difference between knowing how to play the game and teaching it to someone else. As a rule, ex great players are not very good teachers, because the game came easily to them.

You have no idea how much I've missed Coachie. I don't care if Reggie wants him or not, I want Geoff to rehire the guy. I guess he would never have left if we didn't fire Rick (oh how I miss Rick).

 

[HighTopKicks]

It's "only rated three stars" because your 5 vote cancelled out my 1 vote...


Right now, Theus has his hands full dealing with some kids that are really raw along with the absence of Brad and Cisco. Once those two return to the lineup, I fully expect to see some changes.

I couldn't agree more.

It must be Theus's fault that Martin couldn't hit a open shot for 2 games.
And, it must have been something Theus did that made Beno forget how to dribble the ball. And, Theus should have known better than to let Brad have a lighter. Oh, and it's Theus's fault that three of our vets are either past their prime or were never very good to begin with. And of course let's not forget that Theus's failure to teach our future SF how to play defense in the month he had him for spring training, is why he's not playing.

Please don't take offense, But God Almighty couldn't have won with this team.

Yes, he suited up Thomas over Greene, but they were going against some tough front lines and with 2 rookies prone to foul trouble he thought he might need the extra big.
Yes, he started MM, but JT didn't show the same talent in preseason, and if he started JT everyone would have been complaining how he was destroying team chemistry and disrespecting the vets. And, JT got his minutes anyways which is what everyone wanted.
No, if there is anything I could point to as a mistake in judgement it is in not giving Brown minutes. Except for a propensity to shot too much, he played well enough in Beno's absense to earn some minutes, and Beno didn't seem ready to come back playing 35mpg.

I'll hold my judgement on who's to blame for the lack of any offensive structure until latter when Brad comes back. For now, I don't know what kind of offense their running, and I'm not sure the players do either. They can't even seem to run an pick & roll or pop. In fact, I don't even see a good pick period. But, maybe we should blame that on Theus too.

 

[Gary]

Looks like Theus still has a pretty high approval rating.. MUAH!

 

[Bricklayer]

Looks like Theus still has a pretty high approval rating.. MUAH!

I have my doubts about that.

The poll here doesn't tell us much about Reggie because its more a poll on this thread, or its timing. Obviously nobody fires a coach inside of two weeks into the season (Jerry Tarkanian excepted), and so people answer, "not now". Make the question do you can Coach Ego after the season or not and the "approval" evaporates.

 

[kennadog]

Elston Turner was and still is the best of the bunch from the interviews they had.

I actually was hoping for Brian Shaw. Oh well.

I certainly think its silly to think of firing Reggie right now. He needs Brad and Cisco back and then give him some time, especially with some home games.

 

[PurpleHaze]

I have my doubts about that.

The poll here doesn't tell us much about Reggie because its more a poll on this thread, or its timing. Obviously nobody fires a coach inside of two weeks into the season (Jerry Tarkanian excepted), and so people answer, "not now". Make the question do you can Coach Ego after the season or not and the "approval" evaporates.

Firing coaches? Well, we saw it in the NFL as the Raiders and 49ers both dismissed their head coaches after just a few games into this season. There were rumors the Nuggets George Karl might get axed soon in Denver, but instead they "fired" A.I., getting hometown boy Billipps back from Detroit in that big trade.

I see Reggie Theus very likely to get through this season with his job regardless of what his teams record looks like 20 games in, after the all star break, etc. If not, what's the Kings brass to do? Name one of the current assistants interim head coach? Just makes little sense to ever go that route unless a team has completely come apart and in open rebellion against their coach - simply not likely. After this season, will be the time to debate current "fire Theus" nonsense, IMO.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I couldn't agree more.

It must be Theus's fault that Martin couldn't hit a open shot for 2 games.
And, it must have been something Theus did that made Beno forget how to dribble the ball. And, Theus should have known better than to let Brad have a lighter. Oh, and it's Theus's fault that three of our vets are either past their prime or were never very good to begin with. And of course let's not forget that Theus's failure to teach our future SF how to play defense in the month he had him for spring training, is why he's not playing.

Please don't take offense, But God Almighty couldn't have won with this team.

Yes, he suited up Thomas over Greene, but they were going against some tough front lines and with 2 rookies prone to foul trouble he thought he might need the extra big.
Yes, he started MM, but JT didn't show the same talent in preseason, and if he started JT everyone would have been complaining how he was destroying team chemistry and disrespecting the vets. And, JT got his minutes anyways which is what everyone wanted.
No, if there is anything I could point to as a mistake in judgement it is in not giving Brown minutes. Except for a propensity to shot too much, he played well enough in Beno's absense to earn some minutes, and Beno didn't seem ready to come back playing 35mpg.

I'll hold my judgement on who's to blame for the lack of any offensive structure until latter when Brad comes back. For now, I don't know what kind of offense their running, and I'm not sure the players do either. They can't even seem to run an pick & roll or pop. In fact, I don't even see a good pick period. But, maybe we should blame that on Theus too.

It is Theus's fault we have no defensive structure at all! He sucks at calling time outs.. he sucks at making subs at the right time and he sucks at drawing up plays.. We need a vet coach that will teach these kids, not a rookie coach that has to learn along with them.. we need a father figure reggie is not a father figure.

 

[HighTopKicks]

It is Theus's fault we have no defensive structure at all! He sucks at calling time outs.. he sucks at making subs at the right time and he sucks at drawing up plays.. We need a vet coach that will teach these kids, not a rookie coach that has to learn along with them.. we need a father figure reggie is not a father figure.

He wasn't my first choice. I'd have perferred one of the Van Gundy's, but I can't agree totally. The defense was bad before Theus ever got here, and the main problem with the defense is from the vets not the rookies. None of the guards can stay in front of their man, and that puts pressure on the bigs. Miller & Moore are too slow to help, and JT & Hawes don't have enough experience and end up in foul trouble.

Moores' been hurting the defense for two years. He's poor rebounding has caused our wings to cheat with their help leaving their man open for a easy 3. Everytime I hear the word "team rebounding", it just reaffirms my belief that our bigs do a lousy job rebounding and always need help.

I can't argue with the rest of your points, although I would point out that not having a full roster may have altered his substitution choices.

 

[PurpleHaze]

It is Theus's fault we have no defensive structure at all! He sucks at calling time outs.. he sucks at making subs at the right time and he sucks at drawing up plays.. We need a vet coach that will teach these kids, not a rookie coach that has to learn along with them.. we need a father figure reggie is not a father figure.

No defensive structure... Disagree. Probably had it "more" last season with one of the top shut down defenders in NBA, Ron Artest. At least he could handle about any opponents "best player." Now we simply don't have that with Salmons and Cisco trying to fill that huge void on D. 90% of the quotes I've been hearing lately out of Coach Theus are all about the Kings defense, or lack of it. Obviously, he needs MUCH more on that end, but simply may not have the best talent to get it done - worse with no Gracia, Miller.

Time outs, subs, plays... I have no "major" issue with any of those items as he tries to deal with his young and ever changing roster.

Father figure... He's more of a father figure than Muss who's nearly 10 years younger than Theus. Heck, at 51 Reggie could almost be Donte, Spencer, and JT's GRAND FATHER. 27-year-old Cisco has said before he sees him like a father figure.

The Kings need a lot more than simply a father figure, a few more or less time outs and a defensive strategy for success. As Kevin Martin so accurately said in the past 24 hours, they need the players on this team (all of them including #23) to look in the mirror and wake the hell up!! Coach Theus is not the Kings problem by a long shot.

 

[Section 101]

I actually was hoping for Brian Shaw. Oh well.

I certainly think its silly to think of firing Reggie right now. He needs Brad and Cisco back and then give him some time, especially with some home games.

You know Shaw is Henry Turners cousin? Need I say more.

 

[Ryle]

I'm just cracking up right now at all the people who are bitching and moaning about this team....

Most people on this site were screaming to "blow it up", "start over" and "play the kids"

Well, that is what they are doing and this is the dung heap we are left with for the next 2 or 3 years.

You don't get better by blowing it up and starting over....you get better by getting lucky in the draft(See Portland, Cleveland, San Antonio) or by trades and signing free agents(see Boston, Detroit and the Lakers).

Have fun watching this crap because I certainly am not...

 

[Bricklayer]

You don't get better by blowing it up and starting over....you get better by getting lucky in the draft(See Portland, Cleveland, San Antonio) or by trades and signing free agents(see Boston, Detroit and the Lakers).

Er...no, the one (blowing it up) is almost always the prerequisite for the others (draft, free agents). And there are ALWAYS a few years of pain involved. Its the life cycle of any NBA team. We're fine here now that its finally begun. this is the pulling off the bandaid analogy I've used before. We were pulling it off oh so agonizingly slow and just torturing ourselves with foolish fasle hopes. finally we wised up and gave it a quick sudden tug. Hurts in the short term, but will fade away and we can finally move on and up. Just get it done as quickly as possible, albeit 3-4 years too late.

 

[bajaden]

I'll hold my judgement on who's to blame for the lack of any offensive structure until latter when Brad comes back. For now, I don't know what kind of offense their running, and I'm not sure the players do either. They can't even seem to run an pick & roll or pop. In fact, I don't even see a good pick period. But, maybe we should blame that on Theus too.[/quote]


I'm not for firing Theus right now, but I do think that if a team continues to play with no desciplne and organization, that at some point you have to look at the coaching staff. Its true that he's trying to bring along some young players. But the strange part is that its the young players that are playing well and the Vet's that aren't.

The stupid bonehead plays that one would expect to be made by Hawes and Thompson, are for the most part being made by Beno and Salmons and in some cases Martin. Turnover after turnover.

Why aren't they running the pick and roll with Thompson. With his quickness to the basket and his little jumper, it would seem like an obvious use of his skills. I agree with you. I'm not sure what kind of offense their running.

 

[Spike]

But the strange part is that its the young players that are playing well and the Vet's that aren't.

I've noticed that as well. I don't think it's THAT strange, and certainly Theus should be given some sort of credit for that.

I think that starting Moore has certainly put us in a big hole early as he offers NO interior defense whatsoever, which leads to easy baskets inside. (Not that Hawes is doing much to help the cause here.) However, as was mentioned before, starting Thompson would put him in foul trouble a lot sooner when going against everyone's 1st string. I like that he's off the bench...for now.

Here's a crazy idea - why not start Shelden at PF? You know he's going to clog the lane, and at the very least, the opposing team's layup drills will stop (or slow down) because there's someone parked on the low block - unless he's matched up against Donyell Marshall.

Why aren't they running the pick and roll with Thompson. With his quickness to the basket and his little jumper, it would seem like an obvious use of his skills.

I'm guessing because the pick and roll is more of a set play, and Theus is trying to incorporate fluidity. In reality, I'd run the pick/roll/pop with Hawes and have Thompson on the weak side either opening up for a easy bucket or a jump shot by Hawes + Thompson rebound.

 

[Rookie]

Beside losing games, confused offense and defense...Is Theus not playing our youngsters?

I haven't got a chance to watch Kings yet because I just moved. But with all the reasoning for getting rid of Theus in this thread, it seems winning is more important than seeing how the youngs developed through out the season. Bold because I guess we're expecting to see that in a couple of preseason and 4 regular season games. /shrug who knows.

 

[Bricklayer]

I haven't got a chance to watch Kings yet because I just moved.

Consider yourself lucky.

I am a bit curious about the Theus performance thus far myself. It flies directly in the face of how I was expecting it to go. He has shown little hesitation in playing our young guys (good), but the team is a complete wreck and has shown almost no cohesiveness or fight (bad). If you had asked me before the season began I would have guessed that the situation would be reversed, the team would be playing pretty hard but just be undertalneted, but Reggie would be steadfastly screwing up our kids' development trying to squeeze out every woss with the vets. I have to wonder if Reggie and Geoff did not sit down and have a nice long conversation over the summer about life, love, the perils of unemployment....

 

[FakeInjury]

Consider yourself lucky.

I am a bit curious about the Theus performance thus far myself. It flies directly in the face of how I was expecting it to go. He has shown little hesitation in playing our young guys (good), but the team is a complete wreck and has shown almost no cohesiveness or fight (bad). If you had asked me before the season began I would have guessed that the situation would be reversed, the team would be playing pretty hard but just be undertalneted, but Reggie would be steadfastly screwing up our kids' development trying to squeeze out every woss with the vets. I have to wonder if Reggie and Geoff did not sit down and have a nice long conversation over the summer about life, love, the perils of unemployment....

The conversation was more like....
Petrie: I love the way you coach.
Theus: I have a bad feeling about this season.
Petrie: I know, and i love the way you coach, come see me for a contract extension after we loose 59 games.
Theus: I have a bad feeling about this season.

 

[KingsInBrazil]

get off Theus feet already.... like someone stated before everyone here was asking for a blow up and give minutes to the kids, the time has come for that... WE'LL SUCK for sure and for a good period of time as we(our kids) have no NBA experience, we have untalented vets and heck even untalented kids (Douby anyone?), suspended vets, we've been injured plagued past few seaons too...that goes against every coach's desire to do a good job...

another interesting thing to point out is as human being we are NEVER satisfied enough and WILL ALWAYS find something to argue on... and we tend to just blame people for things WE THINK that aren't going well... it always have to be someones fault... the "point finger" conversation will never end (in this case you're point all ur fingers to Reggie)..

now read this: at least we aren't in a "fake suck" mode anymore like the past few seasons, we're rebuilding and have kids with a bright future.. about every other team in the league with some success had to actually "suck" b4 they start something good, most recent example for that is the Blazers...get over it and off Theus feet!

I like Reggie, I like the Kids, I like my team and I trully UNDERSTAND what we are going throught and I wont point finger to anyone cuz it isnt one mans fault... period...

 

[OptimusRhyme]

and there you have it.. jason thompson 11 minutes

 

[mac]

and there you have it.. jason thompson 11 minutes

OH my 11 minutes? Eleven?!! Gosh you were right we should just trade off all the veterans and fire Reggie and get a new GM. Heck make the team relocate because rookie Jason Thompson got 11 minutes. Reggie sucks alright as so obviously shown by the 11 minutes.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

OH my 11 minutes? Eleven?!! Gosh you were right we should just trade off all the veterans and fire Reggie and get a new GM. Heck make the team relocate because rookie Jason Thompson got 11 minutes. Reggie sucks alright as so obviously shown by the 11 minutes.

Yeah, because the Mikki "The Future" Moore clearly deserves those minutes

 

[One and Done]

As much as I'm liking JT's game, playing him 11 minutes last night is totally fine IMO. He's a rookie - no matter how you slice it - and he needs time to perfect his game...as well as continue to work for his minutes. Sure, Mikki can stink it up, but any coach is going to want experience vs. the unknown, especially 6 games into the season. If JT keeps this up (as well as Mikki), sure he'll be starting later in the season. But BTW, didn't we win?

I think Reggie's doing a decent job...my only knock has been his overuse of rotations early on. Otherwise, most of the this team's problems are within the players on the floor, IMO.

 

[killerpinoy87]

he should make JT a starter, look at the timberwolves, heat, grizzlies. they make their rookies starters

 

[bajaden]

OH my 11 minutes? Eleven?!! Gosh you were right we should just trade off all the veterans and fire Reggie and get a new GM. Heck make the team relocate because rookie Jason Thompson got 11 minutes. Reggie sucks alright as so obviously shown by the 11 minutes.

I wouldn't have a big problem with 11 minutes if they happened to be meaningful minutes. Of those minutes around half were garbage minutes. The rest were split into two groups in which he wasn't even in long enough for me to know he was in.

If he was sick, then say so. We happen to be the fans. Were the one's that fill the arena and pay the money. It might be a good idea to appease us a little. Thompson and Hawes have given the fans hope for the future, and if one's going to be delegated to garbage time, then I want to know why. Don't just mumble something at the press conference about maybe a sore throat, and he looked a little tired. Your the coach. You should know if a player is able to play or not.

 

[bajaden]

A quote from Reggie after the game:

"The positive is that we've got enough bigs where we can find out who's playing well and go with that guy," Theus said.

OK, I feel better now. That explains everything.

 

[FakeInjury]

I would prefer he stop playing touch my monkey with his players, and get down to some serious weight training. i dont think a single player on the team doesn't need more of that. theus is a loser, he should stick to what he does best, which is selling luxury sports jackets.

kings starting 5 total weight...................800lbs
Every other team is 1k