Fire Petrie says Bee's Voisin in Kings troubles rant

[SacTownKid]

The Kings still have the 4th lowest payroll in the league. So while the Maloofs spent a little more, they are by no means big spenders.

Here are the numbers:

TEAM PAYROLLS


2012/13
1. LA Lakers $100,365,744
2. Brooklyn $88,257,129
3. Orlando $84,212,066
4. Miami $84,153,560
5. Philadelphia $80,908,298
6. New York $80,474,660
7. Boston $76,275,774
8. Chicago $74,638,230
9. Memphis $74,127,785
10.LA Clippers $72,861,475
11. Portland $71,584,641
12. Golden State $71,549,736
13. OKC Thunder $69,787,657
14. San Antonio $69,358,646
15. Denver $67,970,254
16. Dallas $67,672,076
17. Detroit $67,483,395
18. Atlanta $66,598,487
19. Washington $66,242,488
20. Indiana $66,108,371
21. Utah $65,551,445
22. Minnesota $64,491,445
23. New Orleans $63,751,581
24. Milwaukee $63,909,521
25. Cleveland $62,687,729
26. Toronto $59,279,035
27. Sacramento $58,136,455
28. Charlotte $58,082,382
29. Phoenix $57,208,596
30. Houston $47,799,154

But you do have to realize that with the bulk of your future payroll comprised of recently highly drafted players you can't just cement your payroll before you pay out. They may have very well spent too much already and will have to get out of this mainly via trades.

 

[jpsls]

The Kings still have the 4th lowest payroll in the league. So while the Maloofs spent a little more, they are by no means big spenders.

Here are the numbers:

TEAM PAYROLLS


2012/13
1. LA Lakers $100,365,744
2. Brooklyn $88,257,129
3. Orlando $84,212,066
4. Miami $84,153,560
5. Philadelphia $80,908,298
6. New York $80,474,660
7. Boston $76,275,774
8. Chicago $74,638,230
9. Memphis $74,127,785
10.LA Clippers $72,861,475
11. Portland $71,584,641
12. Golden State $71,549,736
13. OKC Thunder $69,787,657
14. San Antonio $69,358,646
15. Denver $67,970,254
16. Dallas $67,672,076
17. Detroit $67,483,395
18. Atlanta $66,598,487
19. Washington $66,242,488
20. Indiana $66,108,371
21. Utah $65,551,445
22. Minnesota $64,491,445
23. New Orleans $63,751,581
24. Milwaukee $63,909,521
25. Cleveland $62,687,729
26. Toronto $59,279,035
27. Sacramento $58,136,455
28. Charlotte $58,082,382
29. Phoenix $57,208,596
30. Houston $47,799,154

Ask yourself how long it's taking the Kings to rebuild compared to the three bottom teams.

 

[Chupacabra]

But you do have to realize that with the bulk of your future payroll comprised of recently highly drafted players you can't just cement your payroll before you pay out. They may have very well spent too much already and will have to get out of this mainly via trades.

The team payroll focuses on the team in its current state. I understand what youre saying, but you cant say someone has spent to much when they have the 4th lowest payroll. Everything is easier when youve got money to spend. I cant understand the logic in tacking the blame on a GM who is given the 4th lowest annual budget as a means for putting a competitive team together. Money talks and these days it seems if youre not spending about 75 million per year you will be hard pressed to create a competitive team.

 

[King Baller]

But you do have to realize that with the bulk of your future payroll comprised of recently highly drafted players you can't just cement your payroll before you pay out. They may have very well spent too much already and will have to get out of this mainly via trades.

The Kings are set for low payroll going forward:

2012-2013-$58,136,455
2013-2014-$43,640,740
2014-2015-$23,693,750
2015-2016-$6,431,250

Here is an article about it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1316981-power-ranking-every-nba-by-future-salary-cap-flexibility

And here is an excerpt:

The Kings are in a position to do some serious damage after this season.

Whether that damage refers to a self-inflicted frenzy of horrible additions or actual acquisitions that better the organization remains to be seen.

Sacramento is essentially in control of their financial future moving forward. Next summer, and the one after, the docket is packed with team options and qualifying offers the Kings can opt to sidestep.

I mean, not even the Maloofs could screw that type of situation up, right?

KB

 

[jpsls]

The Kings are set for low payroll going forward:

2012-2013-$58,136,455
2013-2014-$43,640,740
2014-2015-$23,693,750
2015-2016-$6,431,250

Here is an article about it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1316981-power-ranking-every-nba-by-future-salary-cap-flexibility

And here is an excerpt:

The Kings are in a position to do some serious damage after this season.

Whether that damage refers to a self-inflicted frenzy of horrible additions or actual acquisitions that better the organization remains to be seen.

Sacramento is essentially in control of their financial future moving forward. Next summer, and the one after, the docket is packed with team options and qualifying offers the Kings can opt to sidestep.

I mean, not even the Maloofs could screw that type of situation up, right?

KB

Those two dreaded words: cap space. That's been the company line the past three seasons. I'm not going to hold my breath.

Petrie is past his prime. It's time for him to move on. Yes, whoever the Maloofs hire could do worse, but none of us know for sure. The only thing that we know is yhat Petroe can't fix his mess.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Kings are set for low payroll going forward:

2012-2013-$58,136,455
2013-2014-$43,640,740
2014-2015-$23,693,750
2015-2016-$6,431,250

Here is an article about it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1316981-power-ranking-every-nba-by-future-salary-cap-flexibility

And here is an excerpt:

The Kings are in a position to do some serious damage after this season.

Whether that damage refers to a self-inflicted frenzy of horrible additions or actual acquisitions that better the organization remains to be seen.

Sacramento is essentially in control of their financial future moving forward. Next summer, and the one after, the docket is packed with team options and qualifying offers the Kings can opt to sidestep.

I mean, not even the Maloofs could screw that type of situation up, right?

KB

Caspace is irrelevant to Sacramento. The existence of free agency is a complete bane of existence for small market teams in undesirable markets. Just a chance to lose people, never to gain. Probably about the high end free agent Sacramento could legitimately hope to get would be a Nick Young/Lou Williams type of guy. In other words a non-impact player. So all that cap room, which coincides with our major players coming up for renewal, is either already tagged for big salaries for our kids, or overpaying mediocre additions, no matter who the GM is.

 

[Mass]

Yes, the Kings have the 4th lowest payroll in the league, but we can't deny that we are not spending that money well. We are wasting it. Like someone said before, if you take the money we give to Garcia, Outlaw, Salmons, Brooks and even Hayes, we could have 2 or 3 very good players. Once you have some really good players, you fill the other spots with role players and veterans. That's it. Nobody needs to have all the similar players that we have. That's why this team is a mess and Petrie is to blame for assembling it.

It's already being said, but Petrie looks tired. He doesn't want to take risks, and all he's doing looks like a sudden decision, not a part of a real project. We really need someone to clean the house. New FO, new coach, new players. The only one I wouldn't touch right now is DeMarcus, everybody elese is expendible. If Petrie remains, I'm sure Tyreke won't be a Kings by the end of the year, and we'll trade him for "cap flexibility". Mark my words. And, like Brick said, cap space is completely useless for us.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Mediocre talent?? I say CRAPPY talent:

Outlaw
Salmons
Hayes
Garcia
Jimmer

That is a TON of $$$ being paid for CRAP in return! You want to talk mediocre?? Look no further than:

Brooks
Thompson
Tyreke(yes, even HE has turned into mediocre)
Thomas

That's 9 out of 12 players on this team that either suck or are marginal mediocre...NOT a very good ratio of good/bad. At this point, fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire Reynolds, only keep Cuz, T-Rob and Thornton...its time to clean house, this is pathetic!!

 

[Gliesian]

Wow voison really needs to attack maloofs. BS

 

[kennadog]

I'm kind of sorry GP didn't just leave Sacramento sooner. Maybe he could've salvaged a bit of his reputation or gotten himself a GM job in a better situation.

I, too, think cleaning house is necessary, at this point. We need to sweep out the cobwebs and dust. We shouldn't continue doing what is clearly not working. Unfortunately, I don't see room for a lot of improvement with the Maloofs as owners. I just don't.

By the way, while I feel we should go for the clean sweep, I have no delusions that it couldn't get worse. Life has proven to me that it can always get worse. Never challenge that.

 

[bajaden]

Even if Petrie is let go, the entire front office won't be cleaned out. Reynolds will find a way to remain and the fact that he has any ear or input to conversation is disturbing. I know Bajaden defended him, but Jerry has been a failure as a GM, coach and broadcaster. I can only imagine he has some deep dark blackmail on the franchise.

The sort of things the front office needs, more advanced scouting and numbers guys, the Maloofs won't pay for. The John Salmons trade was awful to apparently everyone except the Kings front office. The statistics on Salmons decline were readily available. The Kings just seemed aloof about the issue.

So firing Petrie may just be like firing Smart. Taking off the toenail of one giant ugly ogre that refuses to get out of town.

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

 

[bajaden]

The Kings are set for low payroll going forward:

2012-2013-$58,136,455
2013-2014-$43,640,740
2014-2015-$23,693,750
2015-2016-$6,431,250

Here is an article about it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1316981-power-ranking-every-nba-by-future-salary-cap-flexibility

And here is an excerpt:

The Kings are in a position to do some serious damage after this season.

Whether that damage refers to a self-inflicted frenzy of horrible additions or actual acquisitions that better the organization remains to be seen.

Sacramento is essentially in control of their financial future moving forward. Next summer, and the one after, the docket is packed with team options and qualifying offers the Kings can opt to sidestep.

I mean, not even the Maloofs could screw that type of situation up, right?

KB

Those numbers are false numbers. They don't reflect the probable contracts that IT, Tyreke, Cousins etc will probably sign in the near future. All they reflect are the qualifying offers required to make a player a restricted freeagent. In other words, those numbers are only correct if we let James Johnson, Tyreke Evans, IT, and Cousins walk. Thats not likely to happen.

 

[bajaden]

Mediocre talent?? I say CRAPPY talent:

Outlaw
Salmons
Hayes
Garcia
Jimmer

That is a TON of $$$ being paid for CRAP in return! You want to talk mediocre?? Look no further than:

Brooks
Thompson
Tyreke(yes, even HE has turned into mediocre)
Thomas

That's 9 out of 12 players on this team that either suck or are marginal mediocre...NOT a very good ratio of good/bad. At this point, fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire Reynolds, only keep Cuz, T-Rob and Thornton...its time to clean house, this is pathetic!!

I disagree on JT. I think he's earning his money, and has probably been the most consistent player on the team this year, and last season as well. I mean right now, I'd take JT over T. Robb if I had to make that choice, which I don't, so I'd keep them both.

 

[kennadog]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

The Monarchs won a championship. That's why a Monarch's jersey with Jerry's name on it hangs in the Arena. And I happen to like him as an announcer. He's a pretty funny guy and certainly has some great basketball stories.

 

[Rug King]

Maloof's are the disease, Burkle's the cure.

 

[King Baller]

Caspace is irrelevant to Sacramento. The existence of free agency is a complete bane of existence for small market teams in undesirable markets. Just a chance to lose people, never to gain. Probably about the high end free agent Sacramento could legitimately hope to get would be a Nick Young/Lou Williams type of guy. In other words a non-impact player. So all that cap room, which coincides with our major players coming up for renewal, is either already tagged for big salaries for our kids, or overpaying mediocre additions, no matter who the GM is.

Petrie has managed the Cap while dealing with the constraints of a VERY tight budget.

This team could be in cap space hell like when Petrie became the GM. Because of the cap space the Kings CAN choose to sign there players that are due to get paid to new contracts.

Also because of the cap space trades could be made and the Kings could absorb some payroll.

At this point the situation is like the old western movie where the lynch mob is outside wanting to hang someone. Folks is it really Petrie you want?

KB

 

[King Baller]

I too think Jerry Reynolds is a fine play by play announcer. He is one of the good ones in the Kings organization.

KB

 

[King Baller]

Can things get worse? Here are two scenarios:

1) A GM like Bill Russel takes over and ruins the Kings cap situation with bloated contracts.

2) The Kings trade their best player to a LA team to spark their rebuild. If you don't think this can happen look at Memphis/Gasol, Orlando/Howard, Phoenix/Nash and New Orleans/CP3.

KB

 

[Gary]

Mediocre talent?? I say CRAPPY talent:

Outlaw
Salmons
Hayes
Garcia
Jimmer

That is a TON of $$$ being paid for CRAP in return! You want to talk mediocre?? Look no further than:

Brooks
Thompson
Tyreke(yes, even HE has turned into mediocre)
Thomas

That's 9 out of 12 players on this team that either suck or are marginal mediocre...NOT a very good ratio of good/bad. At this point, fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire Reynolds, only keep Cuz, T-Rob and Thornton...its time to clean house, this is pathetic!!

amen... Clean house from the top, bring a new GM in with a new philosophy and then clean out the rubbish and start over.. the only thing I would do different is to keep JT. He's been very consistent off the bench or starting for us which would make him a great roleplayer for us.

 

[JB_kings]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

Technically true. He split the job with Rick Benner in 1994-95. Rick did the business side like contracts and left the basketball player personnel decisions like trades and draft picks up to Jerry. A lot of Jerry's reasons for not really being fired and hanging around to do different jobs is a clue to how most tend to underestimate him. As pointed out, he plays the hick from French Lick card on TV. But he is good enough to have survived three ownership changes while a long list of people haven't.

But perhaps the biggest reason he is still here is that he loves the area. At one point where it looked like his time was short with the Kings, he looked into being Athletic Director at Sac State.

 

[Section 101]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

http://www.nba.com/kings/media/2011-12MediaGuide_staffv3.pdf

JERRY REYNOLDS
Director, Player Personnel
In his 26th season with the Kings organization, Jerry Reynolds serves as the
club's director, player personnel. He was named to the position in July of 1994
after serving two seasons as the team's general manager. Reynolds is responsible
for keeping abreast of both the professional and collegiate talent pools available
to the Kings, while also helping to oversee the club's scouting efforts.

From his job description he's a major problem.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

We REALLY need a fresh start...I do believe Pritchard and McMillan would be great choices. But...in the back of my mind I still believe this is all part of Georgie's plan to pick up the Kings and leave with the low attendance excuse. C'mon Goergie, do you think we're semi-civilized morons who can't sense your possible sabotage??

 

[bajaden]

The Monarchs won a championship. That's why a Monarch's jersey with Jerry's name on it hangs in the Arena. And I happen to like him as an announcer. He's a pretty funny guy and certainly has some great basketball stories.

I was trying to be subtle, and not overstate my case.

 

[bajaden]

Technically true. He split the job with Rick Benner in 1994-95. Rick did the business side like contracts and left the basketball player personnel decisions like trades and draft picks up to Jerry. A lot of Jerry's reasons for not really being fired and hanging around to do different jobs is a clue to how most tend to underestimate him. As pointed out, he plays the hick from French Lick card on TV. But he is good enough to have survived three ownership changes while a long list of people haven't.

But perhaps the biggest reason he is still here is that he loves the area. At one point where it looked like his time was short with the Kings, he looked into being Athletic Director at Sac State.

Yeah, your right about that period of time with Brenner, who I had a, not sure how to explain this sort of relationship. Lets just say that in a strange distant way, I had a relationship with Brenner, so I should have remembered about he and Jerry spliting the responsibilities. I agree with you about Jerry loving the area, and I sincerely doubt he would pull up and leave for distant shores. I think thats true of Petrie as well. Maybe to some extent, thats part of the problem. When you get too comfortable you tend to get lax. Your ambition level drops, and along with it, your aggression in your job. You become protective as opposed to proactive.

 

[bajaden]

http://www.nba.com/kings/media/2011-12MediaGuide_staffv3.pdf



From his job description he's a major problem.

As I just posted, I had forgotten he split duties with Rick Brenner for a couple of years. That aside, he's hardly a major problem. I don't see a huge problem with our scouting dept or the information they assimilate. Its the person that makes the decisions based on that information thats the problem. As far as I know, Jerry doesn't make trades or decide who the Kings draft. I'm sure he has imput, but we'll never know what his suggestions are. However, having talked to him about earlier days, he was dead set against the Derek Smith trade that sent a first round pick, Mike Woodson and Larry Drew to the Clips for Smith. On that occasion Jerry was right.

 

[Prince_XY]

I think this thread should be stickied.

This supposedly "rebuilt" team by PETRIE (with all his failed philosophy in basketball) is in horrible shape. I think constant pressure from the fans to get Petrie to resign is needed. We need a better General Manager to run the Kings if we hope for some drastic improvement.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I think this thread should be stickied.

This supposedly "rebuilt" team by PETRIE (with all his failed philosophy in basketball) is in horrible shape. I think constant pressure from the fans to get Petrie to resign is needed. We need a better General Manager to run the Kings if we hope for some drastic improvement.

its just like my SD chargers. team is hard to watch, GM and Coach both need to be fired

 

[kpm308]

Well it seems like Voison might have heard something substantial aout the possibility of Petrie being fired. From her article today:

The team's lack of improvement and charisma have left Petrie with few allies among the owners. His contract expires at the end of the season, and if the trend continues, he could be gone within weeks. The Maloofs wholeheartedly endorse Keith Smart and are adamantly opposed to firing another coach.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/02/5024535/aileen-voisin-plain-talk-from.html#storylink=cpy​

Of course she could have just made it up since she's already called for him to be fired, but putting an actual timeline on it makes it sound like she may have heard some things.

 

[Glenn]

I'll bet Petrie gets fired soon because he is insisting on firing Smart.

 

[kingjatt]

I'll bet Petrie gets fired soon because he is insisting on firing Smart.

Petrie's a fool, Doesnt he know that Smarts our coach forever, one of the goofs said so himself.