Fire Petrie says Bee's Voisin in Kings troubles rant

[rainmaker]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else. Our actual games are getting worse. The roster and any changes to it will take time. Bring in a GM and he can't do much to what we're actually witnessing on the court. Quickest way to see some hope is to end this mindless experiment with coach dumbass.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

 

[kingjatt]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

he could do that, he still gets paid and does a little repairing to his reputation showcasing that the goofs have been calling the shots.

if they both go get ready for Sharieff and Alex English for the rest of the year, two guys with zero experience at their respective positions with a team that has zero productive older veterans and low BB IQ. we might give the Bobcats of last year a run at the worst Winning percentage in history.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else. Our actual games are getting worse. The roster and any changes to it will take time. Bring in a GM and he can't do much to what we're actually witnessing on the court. Quickest way to see some hope is to end this mindless experiment with coach dumbass.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

 

[rainmaker]

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

 

[John Galt]

At this point the situation is like the old western movie where the lynch mob is outside wanting to hang someone. Folks is it really Petrie you want?

KB

Yes Rotating on a spit.

His results are horrible... it upsets the natural order of the universe for him to smugly sit on his stool in the tunnel with his arms folded, while the crappy team he put together stinks up the floor again and again, game after game after game... no matter who the coach is.

Yes, he is the one I want gone. The logic of his supporters is completely beyond me - he has been a horrible GM on balance ever since the year after he got CWebb, Vlade, and JW. Yes he made a decent move here and there (Christie for Corliss etc) but even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Most GMs in the league are better than Geoff. Just look at the scoreboard.

I cannot stand seeing his complacent a$$ in the tunnel each game.

I would really like to see somebody with more brains and passion handling our cap space the next couple years.

 

[mac]

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

Whatever it is I just want a coach who will come out and say right from the beginning "We are going to be a halfcourt team. We will make use of our athleticism and youth to run when we can, but our focus is on running a successful halfcourt offense." Ask any of the best players in the league what is most important in the playoffs and they'll tell you it's defense and execution in the halfcourt. There are only two running teams that have ever been successful in the recent years - the Suns and the Heat. One similarity between those two is they are loaded with wing players who can hit 3s. We have two at very most, maybe three if you include Garcia. The Suns had Nash who excels in such an uptempo offense, while the Heat have the most athletic SG and SF in the league to run out in the open court and finish at the rim. Even then, the Heat often fall back to having Lebron create for others in the halfcourt.

We on the other hand, have a 6'10 center who takes 10 seconds just to cross the halfcourt line on every possession, whether it's because he's busy whining to the refs or slow to get up after getting some contact or just flat out lazy. Our point guards are not anywhere near the caliber of Nash, and our guys overall can't get to or finish at the rim like the more athletic Westbrooks/Durant/Wade/James/ even Chalmers. It makes zero sense, absolutely zero, for us to fashion ourselves as a running team with the current roster. A coach who can't recognise that IMO, is not suitable to be a head coach.

If we wanted to be a running team we should have drafted Rubio or Steph Curry and definitely not Cousins (maybe traded down and gotten George or Hayward)

 

[jpsls]

Replace everybody right now. Top to bottom. It would be useless to fire only Smart and Petrie. Both have to go. How many consecutive losing seasons is this? This is simply unacceptable.

 

[swisshh]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

He's not the only problem but he's a part of the problem. He's sort of like the honorary mascot for all the torrid history with the franchise.

By the way, I mentioned the Salmons trade because Jerry talked it up when it happened. He was clueless about the player's decline. His assessment of Rubio is also damning of his evaluation talents. I've never heard him speak basketball and reveal anything more than I expect an average fan to know. Spinning old yarns doesn't make you an expert.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Has any General Manager done more damage to their reputation in the NBA?
What I don't understand, is when Adelman left why not take another job? He obliviously at that time could have had another job with more stable owners and looser purse strings. Instead, we had 7 years of:

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

At this point it's worth a shot cleaning house in the front office. To generate some potential trade excitement if nothing else.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Has any General Manager done more damage to their reputation in the NBA?
What I don't understand, is when Adelman left why not take another job? He obliviously at that time could have had another job with more stable owners and looser purse strings. Instead, we had 7 years of:

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

At this point it's worth a shot cleaning house in the front office. To generate some potential trade excitement if nothing else.

This^^^ & I wonder if English could teach our guys his old coach Doug Moe's 'Motion Offense'?

 

[Mass]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

 

[mac]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

I think you nailed it right there. It's hard to be 100% sure what's the cause of our problems - it could be the coach, it could be the players, it's certainly the fit of the roster. But hey, every team makes mistakes and isn't always perfect. What's ****ing annoying is that the organisation refuses to do anything about it. Again, WE HAVE NOT SOLVED OUR SF PROBLEM SINCE 2008!!!

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

WOW, and Minnesota will probably pass us before this season is over

 

[Kingster]

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

 

[Kingster]

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

So you are hoping/presuming that English would run a better offense than Smart, when English is currently one of assistant coaches. So then we're to believe that English currently knows this great offense, but either isn't telling Smart about it or Smart isn't going for it when English talks to him. I just don't see it. These assistants must be talking to each other and to Smart and we're seeing the result before our eyes. Choosing English is just changing the Titanic deck chairs.

 

[SacKings7]

Petrie has lost his immunity as far as I'm concerned. We need some changes. A little effort to show that we're trying to win wouldn't hurt.

 

[mac]

So you are hoping/presuming that English would run a better offense than Smart, when English is currently one of assistant coaches. So then we're to believe that English currently knows this great offense, but either isn't telling Smart about it or Smart isn't going for it when English talks to him. I just don't see it. These assistants must be talking to each other and to Smart and we're seeing the result before our eyes. Choosing English is just changing the Titanic deck chairs.

Perhaps in the case of English who's never been an NBA head coach this may be so. But it's not necessarily true that assistant coaches will just follow the head coach's system. Look at Mike Woodson with Atlanta for example.

 

[Kingster]

Perhaps in the case of English who's never been an NBA head coach this may be so. But it's not necessarily true that assistant coaches will just follow the head coach's system. Look at Mike Woodson with Atlanta for example.

So then you're assuming that English know this great offensive system, but doesn't tell Smart about it, or Smart hasn't gone for it after English has already told him about it. Like I said, I'm very doubtful of that.

The new coach, whoever he is, is going to have to go into this situation and tell players the bad news: You can't do a whole lot of what you've been doing. Typically, assistant coaches are mentors and counselors, not the discipline invokers, all the more reason why I don't think taking an assistant from this team can work. You need a veteran head coach with major cred in order to get away with telling players that they can't do stuff that they have been doing and want to continue doing.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

WOW, and Minnesota will probably pass us before this season is over

compare the owners & head coach

glen taylor = baller willing to spend
maloofs = broke

smart = idiot
adelman = doing the same thing he did here. make wine with vinegar (half his team is decimated with injuries yet he continues to win)

not hard to see where the problem lies. i honestly think if the owners were willing to spend and let the gm do his job, we would have a better team.

 

[mac]

So then you're assuming that English know this great offensive system, but doesn't tell Smart about it, or Smart hasn't gone for it after English has already told him about it. Like I said, I'm very doubtful of that.

The new coach, whoever he is, is going to have to go into this situation and tell players the bad news: You can't do a whole lot of what you've been doing. Typically, assistant coaches are mentors and counselors, not the discipline invokers, all the more reason why I don't think taking an assistant from this team can work. You need a veteran head coach with major cred in order to get away with telling players that they can't do stuff that they have been doing and want to continue doing.

Well at very least English played on some winning NBA teams. I'm not old enough or bothered to know if he played under good coaches and what have you, but that has to count for something.

In any case, I'm not disagreeing with you - I just don't think we can say for sure that he has or does not have an idea of how to make this team work on the lone premise of him being an assistant coach. Personally I would of course rather that we get a proper coach in here ASAP, but who knows whether that will ever happen. All I know is I'm sick of Keith Smart's "systems", sick of his post-game pressers and his cheap talk that he always goes back on.

 

[Rug King]

Fire the maloofs.

 

[swisshh]

Petrie's closest analogy is Joe Dumars in Detroit. GMs living off their window of success that have had some good drafts, but a lot of bad FA signings and trades since.

 

[LWP777]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

I endorse this!

 

[LWP777]

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

Yes, but this is what we need!

 

[mac]

Yes, but this is what we need!

Any time you put yourself in such a scenario where you simply want to blow up everything you're going to be at a disadvantage. Opposing GMs are going to give you crap value for anything you offer them, because they know you're trying to get rid of players. So I'm not quite sure how trading Tyreke and DMC for Kyle Korver and Cole Aldrich is going to help us much.

 

[Gary]

Quite a few teams are having successful seasons building through the draft and what was once Petrie's strongest attributes, but other teams that built through the draft are passing us left and right and we have a team full of missmatched pieces.

Petrie needs to go. He's clearly not the GM he used to be, and frankly, he's sucked putting this team together.

 

[Gary]

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

That's fine with me. It's obvious what we have now doesn't work so why not clean house?

If we kept the players who KNOW THEIR ROLES and don't whine about every little thing and traded the whiners, and the players who don't fit we could get a few good players that could (with the role players we have) make a pretty nice team. Look what GS can do with what they have... We have bigger named players than they do and we can't do a thing with ours.

No player should feel safe... Frankly it wouldn't disappoint me if the only players left after cleaning house were Thornton, Hayes, Thompson, Robinson and maybe a couple others. At least those players know what they are supposed to do and don't complain about every little thing (Thompson has gotten much better in that regard).

We have pieces that could fetch a lot on the market and which would allow us to rebuild faster.

 

[blackice]

Oh how I wish we could rid ourselves of Petrie, but that won't really do much in my opinion.

 

[kingsnation]

That's fine with me. It's obvious what we have now doesn't work so why not clean house?

If we kept the players who KNOW THEIR ROLES and don't whine about every little thing and traded the whiners, and the players who don't fit we could get a few good players that could (with the role players we have) make a pretty nice team. Look what GS can do with what they have... We have bigger named players than they do and we can't do a thing with ours.

No player should feel safe... Frankly it wouldn't disappoint me if the only players left after cleaning house were Thornton, Hayes, Thompson, Robinson and maybe a couple others. At least those players know what they are supposed to do and don't complain about every little thing (Thompson has gotten much better in that regard).

We have pieces that could fetch a lot on the market and which would allow us to rebuild faster.

You should include Reke in that as well. Reke's never even had a role to complain about.

 

[Bricklayer]

You should include Reke in that as well. Reke's never even had a role to complain about.

There is no way, on Earth, that Gary is going to include Reke in it.

Reke done him wrong you see.