Fire Paul Westphal
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RookieOfTheDay
Starter
As if the Maloofs would actually pay him what he'd want. Come on now!
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Why?
I hope that by that he means "Absolutely not. He will be gone by new year's eve"..
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
That's generally what Petire means when he says that.
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LWP777
Guest
It wasn't just Cisco's terrible shot. It was forcing the ball down to Cousins about 5 times and letting him shoot or turn it over 5-6 seconds into the shot clock. It was also the same old stuff like letting Tyreke dribble aimlessly and turning it over (2 times out of timeouts). If it was 1-2 things, then, yes, that could be on the players but it was like 8 bonehead mistakes and total gross mismanagement of the game. You probably never played the game in your life and that's why you are having a hard time grasping what is going on.
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Does Voisin know something we don't know? In response to a fan who said he is ready to give up on this team, this is what she had to say:
Is that a hint, or just random speculation?
Source: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/12/live-chat-kings-1.html
Is that a hint, or just random speculation?
Source: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/12/live-chat-kings-1.html
Showtime
Starter
How do you correct a turnover? The coach doesn't have control over a pivot foot. How does a coach correct a dumb pass, or a missed shot? He can't. This team would have won if they had players who made smarter decisions and executed better. How is Paul responsible for those specific mistakes? Another thing: FT% This team doesn't hit from the line at a good clip. That is totally outside his control as well.
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LWP777
Guest
All rainmaker contributes on these boards is defending PW. I think he they might be related.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Maybe a coach that doesn't rely on "junk ball" and impatience as a foundation? Everything is a result of the coaching. They are running plays, they just don't work and haven't for about 12 months now. No change. No adjustment other than shuffling lineups left and right. I think he's put everyone in there except himself and the coaching staff. You don't look for gold at the bottom of a box of cracker jacks.
steelevt
All-Star
i think thats taking it a bit too far. that would be like me arguing that coaches need more time outs so they remind the players to dribble with 1 hand, dont run with the ball without dribbling, or remember to put the ball in the hoop. you know...things they should already know.
Sluggah
All-Star
Why has it been working for 3.5 quarters a game the last 4 weeks?
One is a "fire Westphal" thread. The other is a "seriously dude, fire Westphal" thread. I think we will still need to go through a "furreal man, this coach really needs to get fired NOW" thread and a "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, PLEASE FIRE WESTPHAL RIGHT NOW BEFORE I KILL MYSELF' thread before something happens.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Ahh ok, I understand now. So basically what your saying is it is and ALWAYS will be the coaches fault when a team is as dysfunctional as the Kings are?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
It's not that accurate. Sometimes it's a half. The last game it was indeed 3.5 quarters. It works for that long because that's about the time the other team stops turning the ball over and starts controlling their offense. They also change their defense and keep all of the defenders in the paint and jam 3 guys at Tyreke when he drives or 3 guys jam the paint when one of Landry or Cousins post up. Pretty easy to pick out, and the stats prove it. The Kings are terrible in the assist column but they are among the best at causing turnovers and gaining extra possessions.
It's that last 12-14 minutes when a team has to rely on it's offensive strategies. This team has no real half court system.
No, but in this case it is.
I might add that teams don't really think they can lose to us anymore, so they coast for 2 or three quarters until it's time to get serious, then they shut us down. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't even bother doing scouting reports on us, and just evaluate us on the spot, and come up with a plan at half time. With the way we have been playing, that should be enough for them.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
For a while there this one was starting out as more of a "who are the other coaching options thread". But now it really has become Fire Westphal Pt II, so I am going to merge them.
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Section 101
All-Star
Watching the end of the Rockets/Clips. Rockets up by 4 with 18 seconds left. Scola just fouled a 3 pt shooter. Clips are out of timeouts. Sound familar yet? 1 point game Adelman called timeout after the free throw !
JJ22L
Starter
Proper preparation.
Arena Skeptic
Bench
I don't think for a second it'll be by Jan 1. However, 5-21, and the schedule has been relatively kind so far... They keep losing to teams that are on the second night of a back-to-back. Keeps happening. They've played more home games than road games. They haven't had any epic 5-game Eastern trips yet.
5-21, and the worst is yet to come.
Probably second half of January. That's my prediction. I temper this with the Maloofs' seemingly obvious plan of not paying two head coaches. They could arrange a buyout, I guess, but I'd think Westfault's agent would very strongly advise against that.
Player talent is also an issue with this team, though. I hope it's clear to Petrie that he wouldn't be able to bring in Phil Jackson (and yes, I know he's already employed) and magically have a 50 win team. They might improve a bit, but this still isn't a 30 win team with the best coach I can think of. With Westfault, I'm not sure they have 17 in 'em.
30-78 so far. Ouch.
5-21, and the worst is yet to come.
Probably second half of January. That's my prediction. I temper this with the Maloofs' seemingly obvious plan of not paying two head coaches. They could arrange a buyout, I guess, but I'd think Westfault's agent would very strongly advise against that.
Player talent is also an issue with this team, though. I hope it's clear to Petrie that he wouldn't be able to bring in Phil Jackson (and yes, I know he's already employed) and magically have a 50 win team. They might improve a bit, but this still isn't a 30 win team with the best coach I can think of. With Westfault, I'm not sure they have 17 in 'em.
30-78 so far. Ouch.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Interesting article on Westphal for those of you who haven't seen it. Not good. Say what you will, but more and more players appear to be complaining to the media. The atmosphere in the lockerroom must be horrible at this point.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18272
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18272
Sources close to the situation say that Westphal has "all but lost his team" as well as the confidence of the Maloofs. Players, who expected improvement this season, believe that Westphal's rotations and actions have made it nearly impossible for the young team to find success.
Westphal's actions have made him quite the enemy in the locker room. One player explained that the losses are frustrating enough, but how Westphal has handled the struggles has only made things worse. His distribution of minutes and decisions to fine and bench players has come under fire from the group.
One source says that many of the players "thought they'd be playing and winning" coming into the season so this start has been tough to swallow. The Kings have not lived up to their expectations and the team's "veterans and should-be stars" believe that Westphal is to blame.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Of course the x-factor there is always: Hoopsworld. How many "sources close to the team" could this random hoopsworld guy know who don't mop the floors at night?
If its true of course it would only reinforce the need for Westphal to be fired posthaste.
If its true of course it would only reinforce the need for Westphal to be fired posthaste.
nickmcclure
Bench
Ha yeah Petrie's mysterious comments are usually like that.
nickmcclure
Bench
another loss, another shot of whiskey, another bump on the old fire pw thread, another day in the life of a Kings fan. Can we do this already and move on?
