Everybody talks about Rebuilding but....

[piksi]

You, sir, must have a VERY high opinion of Vladimir Radmanovic, because I just looked at RealGM's list of projected free agents for this offseason, and I don't know how up-to-date it is, but if they took last summer's contract signings into account, then I saw nearly two dozen guys that are going to be available that I would give serious consideration/make a serious offer to before I even looked at Radmanovic, including two of his teammates:

Ben Wallace
Al Harrington
Nene Hilario (Restricted)
Jason Terry
Drew Gooden (Restricted)
Bonzi Wells
Matt Harpring
Bobby Jackson
Chris Wilcox (Restricted)
Keith Van Horn
Jared Jeffries (Restricted)
Joel Przybilla
Reggie Evans
Fred Jones (Restricted)
Ronald Murray
Speedy Claxton
Tony Delk
David Wesley
Voshon Lenard
Rasual Butler
Nazr Mohammed
Lorenzen Wright

I was sarcastic and also thought that it was obvious. my opinion about Radmanovic is lower then Yours

 

[thesanityannex]

I don't think that's a given. I do think that if we re-up with Peja than it is almost a certainty that we become the New York Knicks of the Western Conference.



If that one lotto pick addresses our weakest areas, then yes. Look at the Suns. They drafted Amare, stunk it up and only won 29 games, made some moves and then as he developed into a star they turned into a 60 win team. Obviously, that's the best-case scenario and there were other moves but without that pick they've basically got nothing.



They obviously aren't good enough as a "core" group and at least one has to go (if not two). If the Kings front office doesn't see that or can't get it done, then we're looking at lottery teams for at least the rest of the decade. The good news is that Brad Miller is still a good center, lots of teams are still hurting for good bigs and Peja's contract will be up soon so he could be dealt as an expiring contract or in a sign-and-trade.



The Shareef signing isn't looking that good, because he doesn't add much and the more he plays the lower Thomas' value gets. This is the roughest part of the roster. The fact that we have all these power forwards and none of them can really play the position right doesn't sit well with me. This has to be addressed immediately. There aren't any star power forwards on the block, so that means the draft. There is a pretty solid pool of big men in the 2006 draft, so this could end up being the easiest position to address.



He's definitely a keeper, unless the unlikely scenario comes up that he could be part of a trade to get a legitimate superstar. I think he represents what this team needs to become. Hopefully the Kings don't have to overpay to keep him.



They're worth keeping and we can actually give them time to develop, unlike the last swingman with potential that we had.



I feel the same way. Petrie has been patient and right now it's not working, so he's going to have to show more patience. These guys can play better and the league will change over the next few months. A few lottery picks wouldn't be the worst thing anyway, especially with O.J. Mayo and Greg Oden on the horizon.

It looks bad, but not as bad as it was looking in the early 90s or in '97-'98 when they only won 27 games and had even less pieces to trade.

Well said Kevin, eventhough it doesn't make sense with the stuff you quoted not here.

 

[vladetomiller]

Brad miller is not on the wish list of any teams now. He played well and looked like an all star with Webber and Vlade in the team, without them we all know why Indy and 29 other teams did not pursue him that hard. Petrie seemed like a genius when he made some of his earlier moves but the moves that he has made of late have all backfired on the team. Even status quo on the team would have kept the team elite and a championship contender every year with Webber, Bibby and Peja as the core.

Shareef signing with all the history that we know of looks really silly now, given that the nets turned him down after a phsyical and even in his healthy days he was merely above average and nothing more. He will definetely not be a part of a championship team unless he comes of the bench, needs to hold on to the ball way too long to be effective. Bibby is exposed defensively by every point guard in the league and he is paid max bucks and there are a lot of better pgs than him now in the league. He got paid for a few jump shots that he made against the lakers and we are stuck with him now.

I dont really see a quick way out of this unless we can trade with the knicks who will trade for anything and everything

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I was sarcastic and also thought that it was obvious...

I choose to think of it as showing other posters the common courtesy of taking them "seriously." Therefore, I presume all posts to be serious unless either a) the poster says otherwise, or b) the poster has a track record of being so off-the-wall that they cannot be taken seriously by reasonable people.

Besides which, you come across as being so linear and matter-of-fact to me, that I just picture you as being dead-*** serious about everything you say.

 

[piksi]

I choose to think of it as showing other posters the common courtesy of taking them "seriously." Therefore, I presume all posts to be serious unless either a) the poster says otherwise, or b) the poster has a track record of being so off-the-wall that they cannot be taken seriously by reasonable people.

Besides which, you come across as being so linear and matter-of-fact to me, that I just picture you as being dead-*** serious about everything you say.

ok - I will try to be more obvious next time

 

[DaMan]

To me we have to completely rebound. Get rid of the coach, make trades for expiring to near expiring contracts and draft picks. Our rein as an top team in the west is over we need to rebuild. True, we would would suck for 6 to 7 years but we would stack up on young talents like Atl, Tor, Chi and so on has done but would have a pretty bright future ahead of us at the same time. That is better then this current team that is trying to win but losing and having no future right now.

 

[HndsmCelt]

, I presume all posts to be serious unless either a) the poster says otherwise, or b) the poster has a track record of being so off-the-wall that they cannot be taken seriously by reasonable people.

I resemble that remark

 

[BawLa]

Why don't we just throw many, many, (so many I don't even know how many) millions at Ben Wallace? That would solve the whole interior D thing.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Why don't we just throw many, many, (so many I don't even know how many) millions at Ben Wallace? That would solve the whole interior D thing.

While I agree that arguably the only FA superstar on the list is Big Ben just close your eyes and try to immagine a world where not only does Ben WANT to walk but that Detroit lets him walk. If you can do this then stay in that nice happy place beceause it beats the hell out of reality.

 

[SacTownKid]

Brad miller is not on the wish list of any teams now. He played well and looked like an all star with Webber and Vlade in the team, without them we all know why Indy and 29 other teams did not pursue him that hard. Petrie seemed like a genius when he made some of his earlier moves but the moves that he has made of late have all backfired on the team. Even status quo on the team would have kept the team elite and a championship contender every year with Webber, Bibby and Peja as the core.

Shareef signing with all the history that we know of looks really silly now, given that the nets turned him down after a phsyical and even in his healthy days he was merely above average and nothing more. He will definetely not be a part of a championship team unless he comes of the bench, needs to hold on to the ball way too long to be effective. Bibby is exposed defensively by every point guard in the league and he is paid max bucks and there are a lot of better pgs than him now in the league. He got paid for a few jump shots that he made against the lakers and we are stuck with him now.

I dont really see a quick way out of this unless we can trade with the knicks who will trade for anything and everything

Don't forget that Brad was an All-Star before he even became a King!

And going into a "7 year rebuild" doesn't bode well for a team looking for a new arena deal.

 

[DaMan]

While I agree that arguably the only FA superstar on the list is Big Ben just close your eyes and try to immagine a world where not only does Ben WANT to walk but that Detroit lets him walk. If you can do this then stay in that nice happy place beceause it beats the hell out of reality.

There is a really chance that pistons might let big ben go at the end of the season. Its not do to productions its becauses they are thinking about the future, there trying to keep hamilton, billups, and prince. R. Wallce is not a problem because they just signed him. But due to big ben's age and his Value, it might be hard for the pistons to keep him. The only way he may stay in det is if he takes a contract below his value, but u will never now if he does that because he has won his ring maybe he wants to make his money now or maybe his love for motown is bigger and takes less money. So like i said u never know.

And to me if he decides to leave he won't be coming to sac town because, like i said above, he would be out to get his money which the kings don't have the up coming year.

 

[DaMan]

And going into a "7 year rebuild" doesn't bode well for a team looking for a new arena deal.

I just hate when a team ask for a new arena when they suck, because it is not going to happen when your are losing. That kinda of thing is done when your winning. And to me a 7 year rebuild is needed to win in the future.

 

[VF21]

A seven-year rebuild? Yeah, the fan base would just giggle with glee over that.

I think there's probably about a three year window of opportunity at the most before people light the torches, grab the pitchforks and either storm the castle or say "bleep it" and start seriously considering the possibility of bringing a baseball or hockey team to town...

 

[BMiller52]

Forget seven year rebuilds, lets go for ten! Who's with me?

 

[DaMan]

A seven-year rebuild? Yeah, the fan base would just giggle with glee over that.

I think there's probably about a three year window of opportunity at the most before people light the torches, grab the pitchforks and either storm the castle or say "bleep it" and start seriously considering the possibility of bringing a baseball or hockey team to town...

It is really diffcult to keep a compitive team together for a long period time espeailty because of F/A, sarlary cap, and age. We had our time in the sun and now it's time to rebuild. But every team goes thought their ups and their downs and right now it's our down and we got to be patient, and if it takes 6-7 to rebuild then so be it. And reguarding the fans, that is how fans are they will be there when they win but won't be when they lose (with the exption to a few die hards). This is the beginning of the rebuilding process and it is the second to worst part (the worst is the trades of fan favorites). So just be patient.

 

[Bricklayer]

There is still enough talent here, still enough pieces, to shorten the rebuilding process up considerably if we just have the guts and moxy to use those resources.

While its easy to get over-negative about our guys, they are all starters for somebody out there. A number of them can even help good teams.

We have:

2 ending contracts (Peja + Bonzi)
1 scoring PF with a smallish contract (Reef)
1 PG & 1 C (perhaps two hardest positions to fill) with largish deals
2 benchers with midlevel contracts ending after NEXT year (Corliss + Skinner)
1 6'7" midget PF with a ridiculous deal lasting until we've put a man on Mars
1 Jason Hart
& 4 young guys (most of whom you would presumably keep if you were going to rebuild)

Ignoring the ridiculous origin of the term in Kingsland, the fact is the above gives you a lot of flexibility...if you have the cahones to actually pull the trigger. There is (or will be this summer) a market out there for the first seven "items" on that list (stopping just before the 6'7" PF with the ugly deal). Not the market that we would necessarily like of course. But a market.

 

[vladetomiller]

Peja clearly seems uninterested this year and he will walk away a FA next year and with his injury problems he may not be a big asset this year, maybe he signs as a FA next year with the lakers cos of the Vlade connection

Bonzi is a tradeable asset and remember what we have for him in the first place and you cant expect more than that kind of a deal in return, mediocrity replaced by mediocrity.

Reef - LOL was there any interest for Reef other than the nets last year and even they had their concerns

The rest are all mediocre role players for some teams out there and I dont see any disgruntled players who are looking for a trade that would really help the kings now. The ones I can think of are

Paul Pierce
Artest
Garnett

With the exception of Garnett, you are not going to get a superstar in the near future to take the team to the elite level. The other way around is what chicago did, bet on rookies

 

[nbrans]

Reef - LOL was there any interest for Reef other than the nets last year and even they had their concerns

Actually there was strong interest in Shareef in the offseason and he passed up a much bigger deal with Milwaukee because he wanted to play with a winner. Record so far: Milwaukee 19-16. Kings 14-21.

Poor bastard.

 

[DaMan]

Actually there was strong interest in Shareef in the offseason and he passed up a much bigger deal with Milwaukee because he wanted to play with a winner. Record so far: Milwaukee 19-16. Kings 14-21.

Poor bastard.

Yea there was alot of interest out there for shareef. Like nrbrans said above Milwaukee made a big offer to get shareef, i think it was around 64 million if i rember correctly to play for them but he turned it down to play for the nets. Then when the nets declined on the offer shareef, was in a big problem because it was to late in the offseason for playoff teams with the money at his market value to sign him to a contract because they all had goten somebody else when they thought shareef was going to the nets. So shareef had to settle for the mile and play for the kings.

Man i really feel bad for sar because he lost almost 24 million and maybe a playoff spot in the east, just to play for the kings, who just suck right now. He is truely crused.

 

[John Galt]

Man i really feel bad for sar because he lost almost 24 million and maybe a playoff spot in the east, just to play for the kings, who just suck right now. He is truely crused.

I don't feel sorry for him - I think he brought his loser mentality here with him. I heard him on the radio about a month ago talking about how "you have to play through it, you can't worry too much about it, you can't take it too hard, sometimes it's just that way...." a stark contrast to what our old PF used to say which was more along the lines of "I want a championship and nothing less". I don't hate SAR, but he is not cursed. He is just accustomed to being a loser.

 

[CruzDude]

Hey, lets get off the "play for the lottery" bandwagon. This is a very poor lottery year with no real impact players, Alan Morrison notwithstanding. And if we can surge to win maybe 30 games we still will end up in the bottom half of the lottery. Then what?

 

[DaMan]

I don't feel sorry for him - I think he brought his loser mentality here with him. I heard him on the radio about a month ago talking about how "you have to play through it, you can't worry too much about it, you can't take it too hard, sometimes it's just that way...." a stark contrast to what our old PF used to say which was more along the lines of "I want a championship and nothing less". I don't hate SAR, but he is not cursed. He is just accustomed to being a loser.

The downhill play and losing mentality was here right after webber left so reguardless this team was going to suck either way.

And yea webber should have made those comments because back in those days thoses kings were a championship team and should have been champs at least once. And what do u expect sar to say? And if he does say something, what would that do? Sar has never been that kind of player and thoes roles of speaking up in the locker room and saying something is done by the players who been here longest and the captains who are supposedly, bibby and brad, who are not even acting like captains. This team has no supposed leaders or captains, that is one reason that this team sinks so bad right now. The losing mentality and downhill did not start with the signing of sar, it started with the trade of webber and retirment of divc.

 

[DaMan]

Hey, lets get off the "play for the lottery" bandwagon. This is a very poor lottery year with no real impact players, Alan Morrison notwithstanding. And if we can surge to win maybe 30 games we still will end up in the bottom half of the lottery. Then what?

The problem is that when we try we still lose and if you look at the second half of the season, it get even harder. We still will must likely endup with a below .500 record even playing our best ball, that is how bad we sink. So the only thing that i see in the near future is the lottery, so we better start making trades for picks, ( not necceraly for this years draft but for next years draft also) young guys and expiring contracts to build for the future. So just be patient, we can't win every year we got to have our down period sometime and this seems to be it.

And also like brick said the rebuilding process could be shorter, it could be 3 to 4 years it could be 20 to god nows when, it just depends on what mangment does.

 

[John Galt]

And yea webber should have made those comments because back in those days thoses kings were a championship teams and should have been champs at least once.

Ah but that is not entirely correct. Webber was making those comments from the time he decided to show up for camp. Don't re-write history. Webber introduced a WHOLE NEW TONE in the Kings locker room - long before they actually amounted to anything.

 

[DaMan]

Ah but that is not entirely correct. Webber was making those comments from the time he decided to show up for camp. Don't re-write history. Webber introduced a WHOLE NEW TONE in the Kings locker room - long before they actually amounted to anything.

When webber got to the kings they where nothing, they were not winning, no captains, no leaders, no nothing, so chris decided to step up. And when the kings got shareef they had players from the last winning team and a supposed leaders in the big 3. The kings also knew what they were getting by signing a guy like sar, he was not one to speak up, or cause a uproar. He was one to lead on the court by scoring and supposedly rebounding, lol. To me u can't compare shareef and Webber, webber is just a different kind of player.

 

[John Galt]

To me u can't compare shareef and Webber, webber is just a different kind of player.

We agree 100%

 

[HndsmCelt]

There is still enough talent here, still enough pieces, to shorten the rebuilding process up considerably if we just have the guts and moxy to use those resources.

While its easy to get over-negative about our guys, they are all starters for somebody out there. A number of them can even help good teams.

We have:

2 ending contracts (Peja + Bonzi)
1 scoring PF with a smallish contract (Reef)
1 PG & 1 C (perhaps two hardest positions to fill) with largish deals
2 benchers with midlevel contracts ending after NEXT year (Corliss + Skinner)
1 6'7" midget PF with a ridiculous deal lasting until we've put a man on Mars
1 Jason Hart
& 4 young guys (most of whom you would presumably keep if you were going to rebuild)

Ignoring the ridiculous origin of the term in Kingsland, the fact is the above gives you a lot of flexibility...if you have the cahones to actually pull the trigger. There is (or will be this summer) a market out there for the first seven "items" on that list (stopping just before the 6'7" PF with the ugly deal). Not the market that we would necessarily like of course. But a market.

Well tat is the good news, but of course at this point the Kings roster is the equivalent of a poker hand so bad you toss and draw 4 cards.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well tat is the good news, but of course at this point the Kings roster is the equivalent of a poker hand so bad you toss and draw 4 cards.

Yeha, but we have a few face cards in there -- just mismatched.

 

[Padrino]

Well tat is the good news, but of course at this point the Kings roster is the equivalent of a poker hand so bad you toss and draw 4 cards.

you need an ace in the hole to do that. i'm afraid we don't have one.

 

[HndsmCelt]

you need an ace in the hole to do that. i'm afraid we don't have one.

I get the humor, but on a slightly serious note the Kings DO have a few guys that make great second fiddles... the problem is not necessarly lack of tallent. Bibby, Brad, SAR, Bonzi and even Pedja are all guys that would be great second options... that is the horror on the court now and the beauty of this collection as trade material.