Eurobasket-Belgrade 2005.
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I can't think of a reason. But then again, I can't think of a reason why Darko did not play at all, considering that France kept scoring on us in the paint. I haven't seen stats broken down yet, but I would ventura a guess that France won the battle and the game in the paint.
Would Obradovic bench Pedja if he was available, too? It's entirely possible.
Would Obradovic bench Pedja if he was available, too? It's entirely possible.
Obradovic should have to go from this country and never come back again.Now he says that players are guilty,why he didn't said that before the competition?!I can't believe,this feeling is like when Kings lost from the Sonics this year in playoffs but a bit stronger 
Here's quotes:
After the game, Serbia & Montenegro head coach Zeljko Obradovic talked openly about his team's problem of coming together and developing team chemistry.
"We had a long talk in the locker room and I tried to tell my players that we lacked good relationships during our preparations and that they needed to fix them to be good human beings," he said.
"I still think we are the best team here but the relationship problems that have gone on over the past two months have never been fixed.
"I told my players to look at themselves in the mirror and I will do so myself. I made a mistake in not trying to fix these problems earlier."
I don't have patience to translate but he also said that players don't speak with each other,then that they are coming to the hotel at 5 am,etc.
Did somebody noticed that every time when Obradovic is coach we have fights and bad relations in our team.I have game against USA and Argentina od DVD,you should look that,all players were like brothers,that was obvious...Disaster...
Here's quotes:
After the game, Serbia & Montenegro head coach Zeljko Obradovic talked openly about his team's problem of coming together and developing team chemistry.
"We had a long talk in the locker room and I tried to tell my players that we lacked good relationships during our preparations and that they needed to fix them to be good human beings," he said.
"I still think we are the best team here but the relationship problems that have gone on over the past two months have never been fixed.
"I told my players to look at themselves in the mirror and I will do so myself. I made a mistake in not trying to fix these problems earlier."
I don't have patience to translate but he also said that players don't speak with each other,then that they are coming to the hotel at 5 am,etc.
Did somebody noticed that every time when Obradovic is coach we have fights and bad relations in our team.I have game against USA and Argentina od DVD,you should look that,all players were like brothers,that was obvious...Disaster...
Peja said:
Obradovic should have to go from this country and never come back again.Now he says that players are guilty,why he didn't said that before the competition?!I can't believe,this feeling is like when Kings lost from the Sonics this year in playoffs but a bit stronger
Here's quotes:
After the game, Serbia & Montenegro head coach Zeljko Obradovic talked openly about his team's problem of coming together and developing team chemistry.
"We had a long talk in the locker room and I tried to tell my players that we lacked good relationships during our preparations and that they needed to fix them to be good human beings," he said.
"I still think we are the best team here but the relationship problems that have gone on over the past two months have never been fixed.
"I told my players to look at themselves in the mirror and I will do so myself. I made a mistake in not trying to fix these problems earlier."
I don't have patience to translate but he also said that players don't speak with each other,then that they are coming to the hotel at 5 am,etc.
Did somebody noticed that every time when Obradovic is coach we have fights and bad relations in our team.I have game against USA and Argentina od DVD,you should look that,all players were like brothers,that was obvious...Disaster...
Here's quotes:
After the game, Serbia & Montenegro head coach Zeljko Obradovic talked openly about his team's problem of coming together and developing team chemistry.
"We had a long talk in the locker room and I tried to tell my players that we lacked good relationships during our preparations and that they needed to fix them to be good human beings," he said.
"I still think we are the best team here but the relationship problems that have gone on over the past two months have never been fixed.
"I told my players to look at themselves in the mirror and I will do so myself. I made a mistake in not trying to fix these problems earlier."
I don't have patience to translate but he also said that players don't speak with each other,then that they are coming to the hotel at 5 am,etc.
Did somebody noticed that every time when Obradovic is coach we have fights and bad relations in our team.I have game against USA and Argentina od DVD,you should look that,all players were like brothers,that was obvious...Disaster...
I have all the games from 2001 and 2002 on tapes. Don't have any energy left to watch them. This is going to hurt for a while
did anybody expect a medal with obradovich as coach? Let mi see 99 3rd place, 2000 well we all know, 2004, 2005. He was a good coach when he had bodiroga at age 27, Djordjevic, Danilovich, savich... but now. Plays against france with only one big player, puls out radmanovich, i realy don't know what was he trying to achieve. I can write whole day about that i**ot but i wont lets hope fiba will send us invitation to WC and that there will be no obradovich, that stojakovic will return to NT and that there will be some change in KSSCG. We are the only NT that doesn't paly any game during the season, our NT get's together 45 days before tournament. Now we will have to play q. fon next EC. Sad that didn't happen in last 10 years.
Now generally this is none of my business, but this article was rather shocking, if its really true:
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/sports/index.ssf?/base/sports-6/1127300641317881.xml&storylist=sports
Serbia-Montenegro basketball coach quits
9/21/2005, 6:57 a.m. ET By DUSAN STOJANOVIC
The Associated Press
NOVI SAD, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) — Serbia-Montenegro basketball coach Zeljko Obradovic resigned Wednesday after his team's early exit from the European Championship and a locker room brawl between several teammates.
France beat Serbia-Montenegro 74-71 Tuesday to reach the quarterfinals, eliminating the hosts and reigning world champions with a 2-2 record.
Team captain Dejan Bodiroga, center Zeljko Rebraca of the Los Angeles Clippers and Dejan Tomasevic also announced they were quitting the national squad.
Obradovic blamed the team's "catastrophic play" on his feuding players.
He said Marko Jaric of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Igor Rakocevic of Real Madrid had a fist fight after the loss to France, as did Tomasevic and forward Vladimir Radmanovic of the Seattle SuperSonics.
"The players had bad personal relations, their egos led to this shameful end," Obradovic said. "My mistake was not throwing three or four of them off the team. They hate each other so much that they don't even look at each other. I've never seen such people before."
Asked if he would stay on as head coach, Obradovic said: "That would lead me straight to a madhouse. I'm already ready for an asylum. That's how I feel. I wish my successor lots and lots of luck!"
Tuesday's loss was the third straight setback at a major championship for Serbia-Montenegro, once the dominant power in European basketball. The team finished sixth at the previous European Championship two years ago and 11th at last year's Athens Olympics.
Serbia-Montenegro and the team formerly known as Yugoslavia have won eight European titles, but this was the team's worst showing at the Euros since a ninth place finish in 1967.
Serbia-Montenegro, led by five NBA players, had been expected to reach at least the quarterfinals. Instead, the team will not place among the top six European teams that qualify for the World Championship in Japan next year. The Serbs now hope they will get a wild card to be able to defend their title.
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REALLY???
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/sports/index.ssf?/base/sports-6/1127300641317881.xml&storylist=sports
Serbia-Montenegro basketball coach quits
9/21/2005, 6:57 a.m. ET By DUSAN STOJANOVIC
The Associated Press
NOVI SAD, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) — Serbia-Montenegro basketball coach Zeljko Obradovic resigned Wednesday after his team's early exit from the European Championship and a locker room brawl between several teammates.
France beat Serbia-Montenegro 74-71 Tuesday to reach the quarterfinals, eliminating the hosts and reigning world champions with a 2-2 record.
Team captain Dejan Bodiroga, center Zeljko Rebraca of the Los Angeles Clippers and Dejan Tomasevic also announced they were quitting the national squad.
Obradovic blamed the team's "catastrophic play" on his feuding players.
He said Marko Jaric of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Igor Rakocevic of Real Madrid had a fist fight after the loss to France, as did Tomasevic and forward Vladimir Radmanovic of the Seattle SuperSonics.
"The players had bad personal relations, their egos led to this shameful end," Obradovic said. "My mistake was not throwing three or four of them off the team. They hate each other so much that they don't even look at each other. I've never seen such people before."
Asked if he would stay on as head coach, Obradovic said: "That would lead me straight to a madhouse. I'm already ready for an asylum. That's how I feel. I wish my successor lots and lots of luck!"
Tuesday's loss was the third straight setback at a major championship for Serbia-Montenegro, once the dominant power in European basketball. The team finished sixth at the previous European Championship two years ago and 11th at last year's Athens Olympics.
Serbia-Montenegro and the team formerly known as Yugoslavia have won eight European titles, but this was the team's worst showing at the Euros since a ninth place finish in 1967.
Serbia-Montenegro, led by five NBA players, had been expected to reach at least the quarterfinals. Instead, the team will not place among the top six European teams that qualify for the World Championship in Japan next year. The Serbs now hope they will get a wild card to be able to defend their title.
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REALLY???
It is much much worse than that. I just don't feel translating in English. Pedja ended up being the smart one here.
And yes, NBA is at fault here by making it possible that players who can't hit a free throw make several millions a year without earning it. Now they all can'[t wait to come back to US or which ever country they play because they would not dare to go on the street.
For me the most pathetic thing is that the country built the Arena over 15 years just for this and the HOME team will not even get to play there
And yes, NBA is at fault here by making it possible that players who can't hit a free throw make several millions a year without earning it. Now they all can'[t wait to come back to US or which ever country they play because they would not dare to go on the street.
For me the most pathetic thing is that the country built the Arena over 15 years just for this and the HOME team will not even get to play there
I have no doubt that the players were at each other throats throughout the camp and during the championship. Still, in my book, the majority of the blame lies with Obradovic:
1. He proved that he cannot manage and motivate team anymore long before this last debacle. I have to believe that some other coach would handle this situation better.
2. The time when future hall of famers would play for "stipends" on semi-pro teams in former YU and who would show up at the camp 4 months before the championships and do three-a-days for their coach is long gone. Players of today are paid millions and many of thems do not handle it that well (rampant egos, jellousy etc.). How is this any news to a NT coach?
3. You should see this guy's rotations. What a joke.
4. Bodiroga and Tomasevic should have retired from NT before this. The magic is still there (with Bodiroga at least), but the legs are gone. See Divac with Lakers in 2004/5 for further reference.
5. At every big torunament for as long as I can remember, there was at least one head-case (i.e. Radmanovic in Indy 2002) but NT coach was able to handle them and there were "glue-guys" on the team to moderate (high character guys like Vlade). Obradovic is too busy chasing away and bad-mouthing stars like Pedja to have any time left for identifying future leaders.
6. Obradovic cannot deal with egos because his ego is bigger then all of them together and he is a vindictive little #### who is more concerned with passing the blame then solving the problem (see the interview).
7. And finally, I can (somewhat) understand Brown not playing Darko, because he had Ben and Sheed, but what is Obradovic's excuse?
BTW, you should see Darko in two EC games that he got to play some minutes (only two games we won). Scary.
1. He proved that he cannot manage and motivate team anymore long before this last debacle. I have to believe that some other coach would handle this situation better.
2. The time when future hall of famers would play for "stipends" on semi-pro teams in former YU and who would show up at the camp 4 months before the championships and do three-a-days for their coach is long gone. Players of today are paid millions and many of thems do not handle it that well (rampant egos, jellousy etc.). How is this any news to a NT coach?
3. You should see this guy's rotations. What a joke.
4. Bodiroga and Tomasevic should have retired from NT before this. The magic is still there (with Bodiroga at least), but the legs are gone. See Divac with Lakers in 2004/5 for further reference.
5. At every big torunament for as long as I can remember, there was at least one head-case (i.e. Radmanovic in Indy 2002) but NT coach was able to handle them and there were "glue-guys" on the team to moderate (high character guys like Vlade). Obradovic is too busy chasing away and bad-mouthing stars like Pedja to have any time left for identifying future leaders.
6. Obradovic cannot deal with egos because his ego is bigger then all of them together and he is a vindictive little #### who is more concerned with passing the blame then solving the problem (see the interview).
7. And finally, I can (somewhat) understand Brown not playing Darko, because he had Ben and Sheed, but what is Obradovic's excuse?
BTW, you should see Darko in two EC games that he got to play some minutes (only two games we won). Scary.
That was what I was trying to say about Obradovic from day one. It is the biggest reason Pedja was not this team is because of that dick head. For the people complaining about Pedja not playing now you know why. The same thing happen in 2000 in Sydney when Obradovic coached the team(with players getting in physical fights with one and other). How could they not see that the same results would occur with people fighting again like they did in 2000.
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That is what I was wondering, Alek. This guy (Obradovic) was horrible during the Sydney Olympics. Why was he still around. And, I remember that you said that Obradovic was the reason that Pedja did not play. It seems to me that the others should have refused to play, as well. Maybe then they would have gotten a coach who knew how to handle the egos of today, instead of being the biggest ego himself.
I didn't like Obradovic never but some things that he said yesterday are true.I know that Marko Jaric,Milan Gurovic,Radmanovic,etc. think that they are superstars and that they don't need coach sometimes.I just heard that Jaric and Rakocevic almost kicked each other,Rebraca and Tomasevic were holding them.Is that normal in one national team?Even Bodiroga tryed to explain them as a captain some things but they didn't wanted to listen!Jaric & co. like to come to the Hotel at 5 am and of course that they can't play and understand any actions on the training tomorow...Then,Jaric and Rakocevic hate each other that was pretty obvious on the court.Players were competing who will come later to the hotel,or who will get more chicks when they are out.Our NBA "superstars" didn't wanted to took their shoes and jerseys to the training,one man from coach's team did that instead of them...Can you believe that?
On the other side we have Obradovic.Facts are telling us that he did nothing in last few years,he just made everything worse.I remaind you that Radmanovic was ejected from the national team 2002. just because he was eating banana while coach was talking.If Obradovic had problems(o he had) why he didn't ejected those players who think that they are Gods?That is just his fault,he choosed them and he should know how to control their behaviour.Also,every time when he was coach,bad relations were in our team!
In the end,I can say that whole nation is in shock,many of us didn't sleep last night and this is very very tough moment for everyone who loves this country.Some of above informations I got from the newspapers and some from Dejan Bodiroga...
On the other side we have Obradovic.Facts are telling us that he did nothing in last few years,he just made everything worse.I remaind you that Radmanovic was ejected from the national team 2002. just because he was eating banana while coach was talking.If Obradovic had problems(o he had) why he didn't ejected those players who think that they are Gods?That is just his fault,he choosed them and he should know how to control their behaviour.Also,every time when he was coach,bad relations were in our team!
In the end,I can say that whole nation is in shock,many of us didn't sleep last night and this is very very tough moment for everyone who loves this country.Some of above informations I got from the newspapers and some from Dejan Bodiroga...
He's (obradovic) a mean person. Why didn't he tell names of players who did all that things. And why did he take them to EC? The game was lost because of his tactics (if there was any). Blame for this "great success" is on Obradovich and KSSCG. People warned them that this will happen back in 97 after Barcelona (EC in spain, rember when djordjevic father was on TV an talked about years to come), then again in 98. But nobody listened.
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Um ... well, let's put it like this ... Obradovic in his first 4 years of coaching won 3 European championship titles with as many teams! By now he has 5 (coaching since 1991). Most of his teams were underdogs too. There is ABSOLUTELY no question that he is a VERY solid coach, as most of the players are saying about his work even after they heard his rant. I absolutely believe everything he said and we have a team in a transition phase, so it would take maximal effort to get anything done, not a bunch of doofuses trying to show off their haircuts or money. Some of the stories that the coach said sounded like the players were playing pick up ball. He literally described a situation where one guy on offense took a shot instead of passing the ball, so the other 4 guys got mad at him and one of them didn't even try to get back and defend a fastbreak. He also mentioned that the players simply wouldn't listen to him and push the ball inside and how they were coming back home at 5 am from parties and such.
The bottom line is that the coach might have made some mistakes, but whatever they were there is no excuse to lose 2 games to inferior teams (namewise). But this is not the first time this has happened and not the last time (see team USA, Croatia mid 90s). Noone ever blamed Larry Brown then...
If you think that Radmanovic is the guy to carry the team then God help us. The same pretty much goes for Rakocevic (even though he played very well, but the team where he is the best player will not go very far), but what this team really needed was a TRUE point guard, a TRUE shooter and a TRUE rebounder. We lacked all of those, and basically this is just another example how NBA and $$$ can make you a sh** player and a sh**head.
Too many egos, not enough balls. You can interpret that however you wish.
The bottom line is that the coach might have made some mistakes, but whatever they were there is no excuse to lose 2 games to inferior teams (namewise). But this is not the first time this has happened and not the last time (see team USA, Croatia mid 90s). Noone ever blamed Larry Brown then...
If you think that Radmanovic is the guy to carry the team then God help us. The same pretty much goes for Rakocevic (even though he played very well, but the team where he is the best player will not go very far), but what this team really needed was a TRUE point guard, a TRUE shooter and a TRUE rebounder. We lacked all of those, and basically this is just another example how NBA and $$$ can make you a sh** player and a sh**head.
Too many egos, not enough balls. You can interpret that however you wish.
I do agree with this. Obradovic did not handle the situation right, but he is FAR from being the root of the problem. I don't think the situation will be much better in the future, we will miss big game players like Djordjevic and Bodiroga, and who knows who the next coach will be and who will decide to accept the invitation to the national team. I also don't like how all this stuff came out in public, they're acting like a bunch of little whining babies.
The last thing to say: Did anyone notice that coaching/chemistry/result problems started as soon as Divac left the team ? Vlade, coooome baaaack!
The last thing to say: Did anyone notice that coaching/chemistry/result problems started as soon as Divac left the team ? Vlade, coooome baaaack!