ESPN Insider has Kings interested in Pryzbilla, lots of teams going after Bonzi

[SacTownKid]

Damn! Detroit is going to get Przy!

 

[HndsmCelt]

Damn! Detroit is going to get Przy!

Well the good news for the Kings is that this means 2 fewer opertunities for Joezilla to put up career numbers.

 

[SacTownKid]

Actually he didn't kill us last year so I think that part of his career was over anyhow. Still would have been a great addition.

God dang **** or get off the pot Petrie! I just hope this Bonzi thing doesn't hold us up anymore as far as actually improving this team.

 

[BMiller52]

Yeah I wish we could just resolve this whole Bonzi scenario so we can focus on the few good FA's left. Honestly I think Bonzi's agent is trying to wait till he's the last good FA left.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well now the reality is that with the way things are settling out, its either take the Kings deal for more money or go somewhere for the MLE. Him waiting is definately not to his benefit. Especially considering they would probably just let him walk if nothing good is coming back. We have his spot covered so its not like we'd have a gaping hole.

Hopefully it works out quick and he is back in a Kings uni in the next few days.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah I wish we could just resolve this whole Bonzi scenario so we can focus on the few good FA's left. Honestly I think Bonzi's agent is trying to wait till he's the last good FA left.

Last I heard they hasd sent us the counteroffer, so unless we've moved on that (and we may have), it would be us holding it up more than them. Bad time to get into a staredown contest while the rest of the league is busy scooping up all the pieces of interest.

 

[Gary]

Kevin Martin will be fine playing behind Bonzi for 1-2 more years. It will give him some time to gain more experience. I don't know why some people think that Kevin Martin will sit in the bench the whole time while Bonzi plays 40 minutes...

What about Garcia?

 

[Rome]

What about Garcia?

Garcia will get his regular 15-18 minutes. He still needs to improve in a lot of areas before he gets 20+ minutes. Plus he will be backing up Artest and Bibby. He can also play some PG like last season.

Stop acting like re-signing Bonzi means there's no minutes for young players!!!!

 

[6th]

I am expecting Geoff to come up with a blockbuster deal just as soon as the Bonzi question is answered.

I am thinking that they got Douby as back up to both Kevin (who backs up Bonzi) and for limited back-up minutes for Bibby.

As to where that leaves Garcia, expect to see him as part of a blockbuster trade.

Okay, this is all just my gut feeling. Who the heck really knows with Petrie.

 

[Kings113]

Garcia will get his regular 15-18 minutes. He still needs to improve in a lot of areas before he gets 20+ minutes. Plus he will be backing up Artest and Bibby. He can also play some PG like last season.

Stop acting like re-signing Bonzi means there's no minutes for young players!!!!

lol exactly

 

[VF21]

Pryz off the market...per post in the Free Agency tracking thread and Oregonlive.com:

BLAZERS SIGN PRZYBILLA
Just got off the phone with Przybilla's agent, Bill Duffy, who confirmed that the Blazers have signed Joel Przybilla to a 5-year, $32 million contract. The fifth year of the contract has a player option.

Duffy said Przybilla had offers from Detroit and San Antonio, and interest from New Jersey, Sacramento and Cleveland. Przybilla early this morning turned down Detroit, prompting the Pistons' move to pick up Nazr Mohammed.

"I think it came down to a number of things at the end of the day – first and foremost he and his wife absolutley love Portland,'' Duffy said. "The community, the people, the lifestyle. The only negative was the situation with the organization, but Joel was impressed with the moves they made in the draft. He felt like they were serious about changing. And at the end of the day, Joel is a loyalist. Two years ago, when nobody else believed in him, Portland signed him to a two year deal. He felt very strongly about that.''

 

[D-Mass]

Would have liked to have him, but you can't blame an athlete with some loyalty...pretty rare these days.

And, Portland is a pretty nice town, so I can't blame him for that either.

 

[VF21]

Would have liked to have him, but you can't blame an athlete with some loyalty...pretty rare these days.

And, Portland is a pretty nice town, so I can't blame him for that either.

And I think Bonzi might just have very similar feelings about staying in Sacramento.

The quote from Pryz's agent could, if changed slightly, fit Bonzi and his situation:

I think it came down to a number of things at the end of the day – first and foremost he and his wife absolutley love SACRAMENTO,'' PHILLIPS said. "The community, the people, the lifestyle. BONZI felt like they were serious about WINNING. And at the end of the day, BONZI is a loyalist. LAST YEAR, when nobody else believed in him, SACRAMENTO GAVE HIM A CHANCE. He felt very strongly about that.

(The words in CAPS are the ones I changed to fit Bonzi's situation.)

It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't see Bonzi leaving...especially under the conditions that are apparently left.

 

[BMiller52]

And I think Bonzi might just have very similar feelings about staying in Sacramento.

The quote from Pryz's agent could, if changed slightly, fit Bonzi and his situation:

I think it came down to a number of things at the end of the day – first and foremost he and his wife absolutley love SACRAMENTO,'' PHILLIPS said. "The community, the people, the lifestyle. BONZI felt like they were serious about WINNING. And at the end of the day, BONZI is a loyalist. LAT YEAR, when nobody else believed in him, SACRAMENTO GAVE HIM A CHANCE. He felt very strongly about that.

(The words in CAPS are the ones I changed to fit Bonzi's situation.)

It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't see Bonzi leaving...especially under the conditions that are apparently left.

lol Nice. I hope you're right.

 

[nbrans]

I think the Kings offseason is more or less on hold until the Bonzi situation is resolved. If Bonzi is re-signed, Garcia becomes expendible and could be used in a trade for a big. If the Bonzi negotiations hit a stumbling block there's the S&T option for a big. But I don't think Petrie could risk trading Garcia until we know if Bonzi will be back. So hopefully this wraps up soon, because Petrie has his work cut out for him now.

 

[VF21]

I don't see Garcia going anywhere. I think Petrie brought him here for a reason, I don't think he'll be trading him away, especially since he's such a bargain right now.

I do agree with your hope that things wrap up soon.

 

[nbrans]

I don't see Garcia going anywhere. I think Petrie brought him here for a reason, I don't think he'll be trading him away, especially since he's such a bargain right now.

I do agree with your hope that things wrap up soon.

Well, something's got to give if the Kings have any hopes of trading for a decent big man. Garcia and one of the expiring contracts could be a pretty attractive package to the right teams. You have to give to get, and if Bonzi is back Martin is going to get most of the backup minutes, and Garcia becomes expendible. Or Martin could be used in trade and Garcia becomes the backup. One or the other -- I don't think people are lining up to take KT off our hands.

 

[walker60]

The thing that would suck about losing Garcia is that right now I think he is our primary backup PG. If he's gone, then it would be left up to Douby who is pretty much an enigma at this point when it comes to playing PG.

 

[VF21]

Well, something's got to give if the Kings have any hopes of trading for a decent big man. Garcia and one of the expiring contracts could be a pretty attractive package to the right teams. You have to give to get, and if Bonzi is back Martin is going to get most of the backup minutes, and Garcia becomes expendible. Or Martin could be used in trade and Garcia becomes the backup. One or the other -- I don't think people are lining up to take KT off our hands.

I don't agree that Garcia is expendable and I don't agree that all of the backup minutes are going to go to Martin, especially since Artest will need a break once in a while, too.

I'll agree to disagree until we see what happens.

 

[kennadog]

So hopefully this wraps up soon, because Petrie has his work cut out for him now.

I don't know what "soon" is, but that Bee article quoted elsewhere says Bonzi's agent is going to visit all of the "suitors," but Bonzi has to work around a family obligation this coming weekend. That sounds like there might be no decision from Bonzi until next week.

It is interesting that his agent made a counter-offer to the Kings, but I think Petrie's going to wait to see a real offer sheet.

Anyway, it didn't sound like something that was going to happen "soon."

 

[VF21]

I think it's interesting that Bonzi's AGENT says he (meaning the agent) is going to visit all the "suitors." Last time I checked, won't it be Bonzi actually having to live and work in whatever town he's going to sign with?

I do HATE agents.

 

[kennadog]

Sorry, I maybe stated the impression I got from the article wrong. I think the agent was saying he'd visit all of them this week, but Bonzi might take longer due to the family obligation he has to work around. Course, whether its really six or not we don't know. unless we can bribe his travel agent.

 

[VF21]

I think the "six" might have been before some of the deals that have surfaced in the last 24-36 hours or so.

I don't see six teams being able to offer more than we can, and I certainly don't see the ones who CAN offer more being that desireable. Of course, I could be just sitting here humming to myself in the great state of "Denial."

 

[BMiller52]

I know we've heard Denver is interested but they don't have anyone we'd want and they can only offer us Kenyon who I know most of the people here don't want. Making salaries match would be pretty tough anyway and I don't know if GP wants to take on that huge salary.

Indy wants Bonzi obviously and they offered him the MLE but I don't know why he'd take a lot less to play on a worse team. Not sure who we'd want from them in a S&T. Obviously don't want to reunite Ron+Stephen Jackashot. Foster and Tinsley could be good backups for us but they both get injured a lot and we have had enough of injury prone players. Wasn't that the reason we ended up trading Bobby? Because he got injury prone? We could probably use two of their young guys like Shawne Williams and Harrison(doubt they'd give up Granger) but they don't make enough. Anthony Johnson could be a good fit here as a back up but I remember hearing somewhere that he hates Ron so that won't work. Croshere's a big expiring contract but I don't know if we really need any more of those. That Jasikevicious guy is a bad defender. They obviously don't want to trade us JO or Granger.

I don't think Detroit's an option anymore. Their MLE is gone for Mohammed. Only guy I can see us wanting in a S&T from them is McDyess as a bench scorer for us. Their frontcourt would be weak again though.

I'm not sure who the other teams that want Bonzi are so I didn't talk about them.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, something's got to give if the Kings have any hopes of trading for a decent big man. Garcia and one of the expiring contracts could be a pretty attractive package to the right teams. You have to give to get, and if Bonzi is back Martin is going to get most of the backup minutes, and Garcia becomes expendible. Or Martin could be used in trade and Garcia becomes the backup. One or the other -- I don't think people are lining up to take KT off our hands.

You are the first person to mention something I have pondered myself -- Kevin may have some trade value now, and Garcia's versatrility and roleplaying defensive minded game could make him a versatile and valuable bench presence. I don't think we want to move Kevin, but with a Bonzi signing there is going to be a minutes crunch at that position, and I have pondered the possibility that the resolution could end up being keeping Cisco as the better bencher while using Kevin used for superior trade value.

Just as an example, if you substitute Kevin as the "throw in guy" in a deal to get Chandler or whatnot, I think that makes it much more attractive to the Bulls -- basically an answer to the Hornets J.R. Smith. Ditto the KG type trades -- a young OG to gamble on replacing McCants etc.

That said, doubt it happens. Just something that I do not consider inconceivable. Cisco's got a made for the bench game and a defensive focus which fits well with what we are doing. Kevin has more offensive talent, but often struggled with assertiveness off the bench. Better 6th man/scoring type guy, if he accepts the role. But not nearly as good of a roleplayer.

 

[Gary]

Garcia will get his regular 15-18 minutes. He still needs to improve in a lot of areas before he gets 20+ minutes. Plus he will be backing up Artest and Bibby. He can also play some PG like last season.

Stop acting like re-signing Bonzi means there's no minutes for young players!!!!

that 15-18 minutes was only when Wells was injured. Look at how inconsistant his minutes were when Wells was healthy.

Stop acting like we wont have a bench if we don't re-sign Wells!!!!!!

K-Mart as a throw in guy to get Chandler? Did I read that correctly? Why trade our starting SG for a unproven big man. OK I like Chandler, but it's a huge risk to get him. If the Bulls don't want our expiring contracts than imo we should not get him.

 

[Bricklayer]

that 15-18 minutes was only when Wells was injured. Look at how inconsistant his minutes were when Wells was healthy.

Stop acting like we wont have a bench if we don't re-sign Wells!!!!!!

K-Mart as a throw in guy to get Chandler? Did I read that correctly? Why trade our starting SG for a unproven big man. OK I like Chandler, but it's a huge risk to get him. If the Bulls don't want our expiring contracts than imo we should not get him.

Why trade YOUR starting OG for an unproven big man.

Yes, Kevin, quite the proven entity, whereas Tyson Chandler is obviously not established at all. You've got some serious distortion going on there.

 

[Gary]

Why trade YOUR starting OG for an unproven big man.

Yes, Kevin, quite the proven entity, whereas Tyson Chandler is obviously not established at all. You've got some serious distortion going on there.

I did not say Kevin was proven in my post. And since when was Chandler such the proven player? He has had that "P" word hanging above his head since he has come into the league, and every year he loses his starting job because he cant play more than 3 or 4 games in a row consistently.

Don't you think it's kind of hypocritical to criticize something I didn't even say than calling what I didn't say distorted??

Should we always want to trade away our young guys for players that haven't proven a dang thing only to get worse and worse every year. Than not have anyone to trade away because we have a stockpile of mediocore players? Well sure why not. We can call ourself the NY Knicks west coast. How about since Adelman is gone lets develop some of the bench talent we have rather than bring up trade scenarios that replace 75% of our team each year.

 

[Bricklayer]

I did not say Kevin was proven in my post. And since when was Chandler such the proven player? He has had that "P" word hanging above his head since he has come into the league, and every year he loses his starting job because he cant play more than 3 or 4 games in a row consistently.

Don't you think it's kind of hypocritical to criticize something I didn't even say than calling what I didn't say distorted??

Should we always want to trade away our young guys for players that haven't proven a dang thing only to get worse and worse every year. Than not have anyone to trade away because we have a stockpile of mediocore players? Well sure why not. We can call ourself the NY Knicks west coast. How about since Adelman is gone lets develop some of the bench talent we have rather than bring up trade scenarios that replace 75% of our team each year.

Sure, let's be Portland and sit around rebuilding and getting chubbies over the POTENTIAL of all of our late round draft picks. Sounds like a plan. A plan I remember well from the first 15 years of Kings basketball. Meanwhile, however, we do not matter, we do not contend, and we might as well figure out a way to trade away all of our vets while we are busy playing with ourselves. Its all in if you are going to rebuild, unlkess you want to be precisely what we've become of late -- a mediocre squad hovering on the edges of contention.

Tyson Chandler, BTW, is all of 4 months older than Kevin. However he is a 7'1" shotblocking rebounder, whereas Kevin is a 6'7" scoring guard. You would rather have both. However in the grand tradition of the NBA, not to mention our own team's easily definable needs, young big and full of potential trumps young small and full of potential. If that was what it took, you have to take a long hard look at it.

P.S. As an aside, if we had traded Gerald for Nene back in the day, that would have been fine. What sucked there was losing him for nothing, not the mere fact he is not here now. Th=e same thing applies for any and all players on this roster now with the possible exception fo Artest. We won 45 games and were knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. For every single player on our troster, including Ron, there is somebody else out there better and more intriguing in the league. If that's who you get back, then there is no bad to it. Name on front of jersey, remember?

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

I don't see Tyson Chandler becoming much better than what he is now, a 7 ppg 9 rpg and 1.3 bpg average center. A good rebounder, an average shotblocker and a liability on offense. Doesn't exactly fill all of the Kings' holes in the Front court. So why trade K-mart for a guy that doesn't fill all of the Kings' needs? If we get Tyson Chandler, we're still going to have to make a few more moves to have a solid front court.