Eric Moreland Waived
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NoBonus
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I forgot that his contract becomes guaranteed in like 2 days... could be re-signed to another non-guaranteed deal.
KingsFanSince85
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In their defense, I believe most are upset just from a player development perspective, not necessarily because of what he may or may not produce this upcoming season.
As has been brought up already, Wes Matthews was once in Moreland's situation as a Summer League prospect that had potential but was perceived as a bottom of the roster player. We all know how he developed. Gerald Wallace was once buried deep on the Kings bench trying to develop his jump shot and was eventually exposed to the supplemental draft as a result. A year or two later, the Kings fans that were upset about the move when it happened were proven to be right. I have no idea whether the story will end similarly for Moreland, but I can certainly understand why those that see potential in him object to the move.
bajaden
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Exactly! We'll see...
Iced Espresso
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And what a wonderful place to be if this lasts.
Dang the D league fella someone liked got waived.
If that's all we have to complain about then we may be on the right track here.
bajaden
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In fairness to the Kings, they didn't have a lot of choice with the supplemental draft. It was either Wallace, or in all likelyhood, Webber. The salary cap for a new team in its first year is actually less than the cap for the rest of the league. Webber's contract would have eaten up a huge chunk of that teams payroll, so the risk of losing Webber was extremely small. However I think the team rightly felt it would have been disrespectful to Webber to expose him.
ockingsfan
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One thing I noticed about Vlade's rebuild is that he makes a decision about a player and acts on it.
He does not waste time on players that may or may not develop long term, or project players.
He drafted the most NBA ready player, with a visible NBA level talent (his Defense) in WCS, instead of drafting on potential, like Mudiay.
He also doesn't keep marginal players that will have very limited playing time. Instead, he trades them (McCallum) or releases them (Moreland). I think he does that as a favor to the player, more than anything, so that they have time to latch on to another team elsewhere.
Vlade seems very decisive in his decision making, one way or the other, which could be a good thing. Especially, since he has decided that DMC is his franchise player and he is not going anywhere.
He does not waste time on players that may or may not develop long term, or project players.
He drafted the most NBA ready player, with a visible NBA level talent (his Defense) in WCS, instead of drafting on potential, like Mudiay.
He also doesn't keep marginal players that will have very limited playing time. Instead, he trades them (McCallum) or releases them (Moreland). I think he does that as a favor to the player, more than anything, so that they have time to latch on to another team elsewhere.
Vlade seems very decisive in his decision making, one way or the other, which could be a good thing. Especially, since he has decided that DMC is his franchise player and he is not going anywhere.
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origkds
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kingsboi
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Can't say I saw this one coming...I figured he would provide some quality depth and if anything else, just a lengthy body in there to maybe alter some shots around the rim for a couple of minutes. Knowing Karl though, he wasn't going to see the light of day on the court and this tells me he is content with rolling with our three bigs and playing small if one or two of them are in foul trouble. Was hoping to trade him off at least since I heard there were two teams interested?
KingsFanSince85
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Agreed that it might have been perceived as disrespectful, but it would have been the smart thing to do. Not hindsight at all. I felt that way as it went down. So did many fans. But that's beside the point. I thought it was worth mentioning because, at the time, some laughed off Wallace as a meaningless scrub since he rarely played in games his first few seasons. Matthews was a better example, though, as he was undrafted just like Moreland.
KingsCitizen
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Miami offered a pick for Moreland early July, I believe. Could have used that instead of just waiving him.
CruzDude
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Dukan is a floor spreader who shoots the 3 well, is a good ball handler, finds his own shot, none of which Moreland does, and has a great looking shot. To me he just might be Peja 2.0. Personally, I've liked Moreland especially in the big depleated previous year. But now, as has been said, he is a smaller Willy who missed a whole year in the NBA playing more summer league games than NBA games.
Karl likes small ball and with the 3 bigs left, each plays the 5 and Willy or Cuz probably can play the 4 if needed. But with Rudy, Quincy, Omri and Dukan they can also play a stretch 4 so I don't see a problem there and there is now 15 contracts with Moreland gone. Stockton and Dukan likely will see some Reno time along with 2 more the Kings can protect in Reno. Training camp now only 63 days. 63 horrid, boring, hot summer days.
Karl likes small ball and with the 3 bigs left, each plays the 5 and Willy or Cuz probably can play the 4 if needed. But with Rudy, Quincy, Omri and Dukan they can also play a stretch 4 so I don't see a problem there and there is now 15 contracts with Moreland gone. Stockton and Dukan likely will see some Reno time along with 2 more the Kings can protect in Reno. Training camp now only 63 days. 63 horrid, boring, hot summer days.
The Kings must be serious about starting Gay at PF. That would make Koufos the backup center and WCS the backup PF with Acy being injury insurance.
Because if either Koufos or Cauley-Stein starts then the one who doesn't start and Acy are the only backup bigs with no options in case of injury. Well, unless we're considering a developmental prospect stretch 4 in Dukan who didn't even start for his college team and who has zero NBA experience.
The Kings had better be signing a quality veteran bug soon.
I was a big Moreland supporter but I'm not upset to see him go. I AM concerned that the Kings are short a quality reserve big though. I wasn't sure Moreland was capable of filling that role but he was at least a long defender with potential.
I'll be very curious to see how Vlade fills that last roster spot. We can waive it off as unimportant but I don't think it is.
Because if either Koufos or Cauley-Stein starts then the one who doesn't start and Acy are the only backup bigs with no options in case of injury. Well, unless we're considering a developmental prospect stretch 4 in Dukan who didn't even start for his college team and who has zero NBA experience.
The Kings had better be signing a quality veteran bug soon.
I was a big Moreland supporter but I'm not upset to see him go. I AM concerned that the Kings are short a quality reserve big though. I wasn't sure Moreland was capable of filling that role but he was at least a long defender with potential.
I'll be very curious to see how Vlade fills that last roster spot. We can waive it off as unimportant but I don't think it is.
I liked Moreland a lot, but this is flat wrong. He has 3 minutes in the NBA. We don't know if Moreland was an NBA rim protector or not. Had the instincts/length/size to be, but his weight was a serious concern. You'd be hard-pressed to find a PF who wouldn't be able to bully him down-low.
Regardless, don't like this move at all. Wanted to see another year of development for him.
Dorrel Wright makes some sense if Rudy is the starting PF. If not I think the Kings absolutely need a reserve big. I believe Darrell Arthur, Henry Sims and Kevin Seraphin are still available and would be decent pickups.
King Baller
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I think we will see a veteran player signed soon. Or possibly
a trade
a trade
jcassio
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I've supported every move that Vlade has made thus far. But this one is short-sighted. Moreland was an investment, to be sure, but a relatively cheap one with good potential. And I don't buy the idea that his skillet was a dup of WCS. Not if you look a little closer.
KingsCitizen
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Karl is a wing heavy coach. He tends to use more guards on his rotations than bigs, which would more likely be the reason why Moreland was let go.
Miami is still high on Moreland, even the fan base. Probably kind of Hassan Whiteside on Miami syndrome, where Miami fans starts to feel now that every cheap young big that Sac will let go would morph into legit bigs under Spo and Pat.
I won't be surprised we stick with 4 PG roster regardless of whether Stock and Curry makes it to regular season.
I can easily see Karl playing Rondo and DC together frequently which would mean, at least 2 other PG should around the bench for better insurance.
Miami is still high on Moreland, even the fan base. Probably kind of Hassan Whiteside on Miami syndrome, where Miami fans starts to feel now that every cheap young big that Sac will let go would morph into legit bigs under Spo and Pat.
I won't be surprised we stick with 4 PG roster regardless of whether Stock and Curry makes it to regular season.
I can easily see Karl playing Rondo and DC together frequently which would mean, at least 2 other PG should around the bench for better insurance.
Bricklayer
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Oh darn. This option now gone:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238906/Rockets-Agree-To-Deal-With-Chuck-Hayes
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238906/Rockets-Agree-To-Deal-With-Chuck-Hayes
Kings Faithful
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I think we will see a veteran player signed soon. Or possibly
A trade would have to involve Collison, Cousins, Gay, or McLemore as they are the only ones eligible until December i think. I don't see this happening unless we are unloading Collison and i find that to be a huge risk as he is our insurance policy in case the Rondo signing blows up in our face.
KingsFanGER
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This move doesnt make too much sense for me. Moreland looked good in SL. Why let another promising young prospect walk for nothing?
jcassio
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Collison is not "insurance" for Rondo. I know that's a popular belief around here, but that's traditional thinking as in who's the starting PG and who is their backup?
I hope Collison doesn't see himself as insurance for Rondo. If he does, then his value is diminished IMO.
kingsboi
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It goes to show you that they really aren't going to be relying on too many young players to help them win...besides McLemore and Cauley Stein, the rest of the roster has a good amount of experience.
N0tmyfault
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I liked Moreland a lot and saw some potential in him. I thought maybe he could carve out a Ed Davis-like role in this league. I will say he did not look as good in SL2, as he did in SL1... there were some definite regressions, imo. However, he did sit out almost an entire year due to an injury, so it was somewhat expected.
Jkbiker
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I am sorry to loose Eric, but its all about guaranteed contracts
We have 14 Guarenteed contracts the only two not guaranteed was Eric and Stockton
If Eric was not waived this week, we would have the 15 players signed and paid for
Because Eric was waived now, If Stockton is waived before his Guarentee Date (Jan 7th)
We have 1 More roster spot Vlade can fill
I really expect to see "Kings waive Stockton and sign ____________"
Vlade can then sign a 15th contract using the 2.8 Mil, Vet or rookie min
A. Luc's shoulder might be better in October
B. Still a few FA that still might be signed
C. Other training camp invite might shine
D. Other teams might release a player during training camp we like
I Trust Vlade, if an option comes up that gets us a player better than Moreland, he is gonna do it
But he will need a roster spot available!!!!
All this talk about DooJay and Seth is pointless, they have fully guaranteed contracts
We have 14 Guarenteed contracts the only two not guaranteed was Eric and Stockton
If Eric was not waived this week, we would have the 15 players signed and paid for
Because Eric was waived now, If Stockton is waived before his Guarentee Date (Jan 7th)
We have 1 More roster spot Vlade can fill
I really expect to see "Kings waive Stockton and sign ____________"
Vlade can then sign a 15th contract using the 2.8 Mil, Vet or rookie min
A. Luc's shoulder might be better in October
B. Still a few FA that still might be signed
C. Other training camp invite might shine
D. Other teams might release a player during training camp we like
I Trust Vlade, if an option comes up that gets us a player better than Moreland, he is gonna do it
But he will need a roster spot available!!!!
All this talk about DooJay and Seth is pointless, they have fully guaranteed contracts
Not really worried about the depth of bigs we have since Gay is going to play some PF....still have Cuz, Koufos and then WCS....Acy is going to be the deep reserve instead of Moreland. Depending on matchups I do believe we will see the Gay, Casspi, and some center frontcourt.
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