Early look at some 2012 freeagents:

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I thought I'd post an abridged list of 2012 freeagents. I'm only posting the players that I deem worthy of a look, and I'm doing it by position. If there's a P by their name, it means they have a players option. If an R, then their restricted free agents. Everyone else is an unrestricted freeagent.

Point Guard:

Kirk Hinrick
Jason Terry
Goran Dragic
Ramon Sessions (P)
Beno Udrih (P)
Jordan Farmer (P)
Deron Williams (P)
Mike Bibby
Baron Davis
Jameer Nelson
Steve Nash
Ronnie Price
Raymond Felton
Jonny Flynn
D.J. Augustin (R)

Shooting Guard:

Ray Allen
Leondro Barbosa
Bill Walker
Shannon Brown
Jamal Crawford
C.J. Miles
Eric Gordon (R)
O.J. Mayo (R)

Small Forward:

Jeff Green
Andrei Kirilenko
Bobby Simmons
Nick Young
Gerald Wallace (P)
Shawne Williams
Josh Howard
Nicolas Batum (R)
Sam Young (R)
Landry Fields (R)

Power Forward:

Kevin Garnett
Brandon Bass
Jordan Hill
Ronnie Turiaf (P) VF21's favorite player
Ersan Ilyasova
Kris Humphries
Carl Landry
Elton Brand
Ryan Anderson (R)


Center:

Marcus Camby
Kyrylo Fesenko
Chris Kaman
Spencer Hawes
Joel Przybilla (I thought I heard something about him retiring)
Tim Duncan
Brook Lopez (R)
Roy Hibbert (R)
JaVale McGee (R)

While there are no young superstars, there are some players that could help us. I think I would stay away from restricted players so you don't have to wait while they decide to match or not. Although I believe they've shortened that waiting period in the new CBA.

As I said, this isn't all the freeagents, just the one's I considered revelant.
 
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If all other options aren't working, I'd love for our team to take a look at Jeff Green if the price wasn't too high.
 
I'd have no problem with either Hinrich or Dragic running point for us next year. Don't need a big name player at point though, but we do need a considerably better defender than IT who doesn't eat up shots. Make a move which can turn IT into a spark off the bench. When that happens, we're a better team.

SF's, if we don't get MKG, I'd like to go hard after AK or Wallace, if he opts out. Read a rumor that Por might consider not bringing back Batum as it would free up considerable room for them under the cap because of his cap hold. I'd definitely be talking to his agent.

Backup center, I like Fesenko if healthy, and he can split time with Hassan. Maybe Hassan can play some 4 next year. Either way, we need more size and toughness and he should be cheap.

What scares the hell out of me is my gut feeling Petrie will throw a fat wad of cash at Ryan Anderson, Sac native. Seems the type of player Petrie likes, and probably thinks a stretch 4 next to Cuz would work well. Also of course the area connection which might make Petrie go even harder after him. That however, would be taking this team even further in the wrong direction. Next to Cuz, we need more touchness, physicality, a rebounder, and someone who excels defensively without needing or really looking for shots. We do not need a poor mans Bargnani camping out at the freaking 3 pt line. Just hope my gut feeling is wrong about this one.
 
Where is Steve Novak?! 3pt threat off the bench at SF doesn't get any better than him. He is shooting 50% from 3pt.
 
It depends on who we draft. But, right now I'd go after Hinrich and Dragic for the point, Batum and Kirilenko for the SF, and I'd take a look at Camby as a backup C. I think he can still contribute and his skills would be very helpful for this team. He can also play with DMC and I believe he will be cheap.
 
Actually I'd be interested in Andre Miller. Fills a hole and gives the Kings some much needed veteran presence. He even lives here during the off season (last time I checked).
 
Bricklayer said:
Crystal ball says...

Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass
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To be honest, it would not surprise me in the slightest as we tend to love undersized, non-defending gunners! You forgot to mention Ryan Anderson though, he might be too expensive for us ;)

From the list above, I would be interested in Hinrich, Batum (would be my #1 target), Wallace, Kirilenko (not on the list but FA), Beno (he won't opt out) and would give the corps of Camby a look! :D
 
rainmaker said:
I'd have no problem with either Hinrich or Dragic running point for us next year. Don't need a big name player at point though, but we do need a considerably better defender than IT who doesn't eat up shots.
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IT does not take too many shots !!!!!!!!!! He has averaged 10 shots a game since becoming a starter which is on the average to low side for a starting PG.
 
Heinrich - can play 1 or 2; like the flexibility
Dragic - tough good pg
Eric Gordon - yes, he's restricted, but man would I like to pair him with Cousins.
Batum - athletic, long, shooter, and young.
 
Section 101 said:
IT does not take too many shots !!!!!!!!!! He has averaged 10 shots a game since becoming a starter which is on the average to low side for a starting PG.
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Maybe on teams where the PGs are the #1 or #2 options ... It all depends on the line up of the team. If our line up was Cousins/JT/Batum/Sefolosha/IT then 10 shots/gm would be bordering on too little. When your line up is Cousins/JT/Tyreke/Thornton/IT on the other hand .... Unless you are suggesting that we would be better off reducing the number of shots Thornton gets..
 
Section 101 said:
IT does not take too many shots !!!!!!!!!! He has averaged 10 shots a game since becoming a starter which is on the average to low side for a starting PG.
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Section 101, I think the idea is that you want to have the guys with high shooting % shoot less; low shooting % shoot more. IT's is high, ergo, shoot less. Go figure. Personally, I wouldn't mind him shooting more, especially with MT and Salmons out, Jimmer in a slump, and Garcia hasn't hit a 3 since an eon ago.
 
Anything outside of the #1 overall pick and I would offer it to Portland for a freshly signed Batum, he would fit in that good.
 
mac said:
Maybe on teams where the PGs are the #1 or #2 options ... It all depends on the line up of the team. If our line up was Cousins/JT/Batum/Sefolosha/IT then 10 shots/gm would be bordering on too little. When your line up is Cousins/JT/Tyreke/Thornton/IT on the other hand .... Unless you are suggesting that we would be better off reducing the number of shots Thornton gets..
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Nope. Here ya go sorted by FGA/game for the season.

Westbrook 19.5
rose 18.1
D Williams 17.8
Jennings 16.9
Parker 15.7
Irving 14.9
CP3 14.5
Wall 13.7
Holiday 13.1
Jack 13.0
Lou Williams 13.6 (backup)
Lawson 12.5
Mo Williams 12.1
Knight 11.8
Conley 11.4
Stuckey 11.4
Walker 11.3
Rondo 11.3
Ridnour 10.4
Teague 10.3
Felton 10.3
Nelson 9.9
Nash 9.2
Caulderon 9.1
Collison 9.0
IT 8.4 (#26)
Miller 8.3
Dragic 8.0

In March he had 9.7 FGA/game on .48% shooting which puts him at #23 in FGA and #3 in shooting % behind Nash and Paul. So in reality IT should be shooting more if he can maintain the current level.
 
rainmaker said:
I'd have no problem with either Hinrich or Dragic running point for us next year. Don't need a big name player at point though, but we do need a considerably better defender than IT who doesn't eat up shots. Make a move which can turn IT into a spark off the bench. When that happens, we're a better team.

SF's, if we don't get MKG, I'd like to go hard after AK or Wallace, if he opts out. Read a rumor that Por might consider not bringing back Batum as it would free up considerable room for them under the cap because of his cap hold. I'd definitely be talking to his agent.

Backup center, I like Fesenko if healthy, and he can split time with Hassan. Maybe Hassan can play some 4 next year. Either way, we need more size and toughness and he should be cheap.

What scares the hell out of me is my gut feeling Petrie will throw a fat wad of cash at Ryan Anderson, Sac native. Seems the type of player Petrie likes, and probably thinks a stretch 4 next to Cuz would work well. Also of course the area connection which might make Petrie go even harder after him. That however, would be taking this team even further in the wrong direction. Next to Cuz, we need more touchness, physicality, a rebounder, and someone who excels defensively without needing or really looking for shots. We do not need a poor mans Bargnani camping out at the freaking 3 pt line. Just hope my gut feeling is wrong about this one.
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Hinrich sucks. While I like Dragic, he shoots just as many times as IT does.

You haven't seen Anderson play enough if you think he's a WORSE version of Bargs. If anything, he's what should Bargs should aspire to become. He's extremeley efficient offensive scorer, a strong rebounder, and is a better post defender than we have on the team. He would make life for Reke and Cousins 20x easier with his ability to stretch the floor being a dangerous 3pt shooter. Teams could not longer simply pack the paint against us with Anderson on the floor. Here's the thing with Anderson also; he's not looking to create his shots either. Most of his looks come from teams doubling Dwight and he gets kick out 3pt shots. I'd be more than happy to nab him for $7mil or so
 
Section 101 said:
Nope. Here ya go sorted by FGA/game for the season.

Westbrook 19.5
rose 18.1
D Williams 17.8
Jennings 16.9
Parker 15.7
Irving 14.9
CP3 14.5
Wall 13.7
Holiday 13.1
Jack 13.0
Lou Williams 13.6 (backup)
Lawson 12.5
Mo Williams 12.1
Knight 11.8
Conley 11.4
Stuckey 11.4
Walker 11.3
Rondo 11.3
Ridnour 10.4
Teague 10.3
Felton 10.3
Nelson 9.9
Nash 9.2
Caulderon 9.1
Collison 9.0
IT 8.4 (#26)
Miller 8.3
Dragic 8.0

In March he had 9.7 FGA/game on .48% shooting which puts him at #23 in FGA and #3 in shooting % behind Nash and Paul. So in reality IT should be shooting more if he can maintain the current level.
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Get outta here with your foolish logic! IT is a ballhog who doesn't share with anyone!
 
The guys who intrigue me are:
Ersan Illyasova
Ryan Anderson
Goran Dragic
Nick Batum

Ersan especially is a guy I think who's getting overlooked on the Bucks and is putting up a pretty fantastic year. He's a surprisingly beastly rebounder, a fantastic outside shooter (42% 3pt shooter, 80% FT) and is once again better than anyone we have as a post defender. I'd rather have Anderson, but I feel like he's going to get far more money than he deserves from Orlando or somewhere else.
 
The_Jamal said:
Get outta here with your foolish logic! IT is a ballhog who doesn't share with anyone!
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Assuming you are being sarcastic but who the hell knows, what logic is being displayed? This is what happens when you have three other scorers on the court with you. It is an inefficient use of offense. If IT could effectively shoot more often, then let us remove another offensive player from the court so he can do it. And I'll tell ya, I am not on the bandwagon of sending MT to the bench. He is worth more than that. I am not a fan of sending Tyreke to the bench as he is worth more than that. I don't want to send Cuz to the bench blah, blah, blah.

These stats show that something is wrong as IT can shoot. I don't believe there is any question of that. On THIS team, maybe he is even shooting too often. That's the opposite view but it takes into account who is on the floor with him. These stats mean so little if not taken into context. Someone needs to go to the bench so the bench isn't so anemic offensively and so the shooters on the starters can shoot more. Or some one needs to be traded to balance the offense vs defensive mix on the court. I have my ideas but they must be performed by Petrie in the long run. I would like to see Smart try something different in the few games left but doubt if he will do it. The only thing stopping him from doing what he wants is injury. Maybe we will learn something new with MT out. Maybe Smart will learn something. I am not as down on Smart as some but close. Let's get some big guys and let's get some defensive minded players like TWill.

My goodness, can't Smart see what a semi-offensive challenged TWill has done for the team? In a sense my desire to have MT traded for a SF is happening by MT's injury and the introduction of TWill. TWill is not the prototypical SF but his athleticism, BBIQ, and the like make him better than a whole bunch. I can see so many bigger lineups that are possible. At least worth a try. We may not score 120 but our opponents may not either.

We may even win more often. We earn nothing by having one of the highest scoring teams in the league. We earn something if we win.

It is becoming difficult to be a fan of this team.
 
The_Jamal said:
Hinrich sucks. While I like Dragic, he shoots just as many times as IT does.

You haven't seen Anderson play enough if you think he's a WORSE version of Bargs. If anything, he's what should Bargs should aspire to become. He's extremeley efficient offensive scorer, a strong rebounder, and is a better post defender than we have on the team. He would make life for Reke and Cousins 20x easier with his ability to stretch the floor being a dangerous 3pt shooter. Teams could not longer simply pack the paint against us with Anderson on the floor. Here's the thing with Anderson also; he's not looking to create his shots either. Most of his looks come from teams doubling Dwight and he gets kick out 3pt shots. I'd be more than happy to nab him for $7mil or so
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I disagree that Hinrich sucks. Whether he's what we need or not is another story. However I agree on Anderson. He's a much better player than he's given credit for. He has good size at the position at 6'10", is a good rebounder, and was one of the top rebounders in the Pac 10 at Cal. He just happens to be a very good outside shooter, and, I hate to say this, but he's white. For some reason that always creates an image of a tall white stiff thats only a spot up shooter. Simply not the case with Anderson. He can play in the post just as well as the perimeter. He's also a much better defender than people realize.
 
The_Jamal said:
The guys who intrigue me are:
Ersan Illyasova
Ryan Anderson
Goran Dragic
Nick Batum

Ersan especially is a guy I think who's getting overlooked on the Bucks and is putting up a pretty fantastic year. He's a surprisingly beastly rebounder, a fantastic outside shooter (42% 3pt shooter, 80% FT) and is once again better than anyone we have as a post defender. I'd rather have Anderson, but I feel like he's going to get far more money than he deserves from Orlando or somewhere else.
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Hey, once again were on the same page. I really, really like Illyasova. I've watched him play quite a bit this year. To be honest, I tried to watch the Bucks play every time I had a chance just to see more of Illyasova. We desparately need depth at the PF or the Center position, and Illyasova would be a big step in that direction. I actually have him at the top of my list at the PF position. My top three are Illyasova, Anderson, and Humphries. I've never been a huge fan of Humphries, but there's no denying what he's accomplished the last two years. I'd take Illyasova over Anderson by a slight margin, but would be happy with any of the three.
 
Glenn said:
Assuming you are being sarcastic but who the hell knows, what logic is being displayed? This is what happens when you have three other scorers on the court with you. It is an inefficient use of offense. If IT could effectively shoot more often, then let us remove another offensive player from the court so he can do it. And I'll tell ya, I am not on the bandwagon of sending MT to the bench. He is worth more than that. I am not a fan of sending Tyreke to the bench as he is worth more than that. I don't want to send Cuz to the bench blah, blah, blah.

These stats show that something is wrong as IT can shoot. I don't believe there is any question of that. On THIS team, maybe he is even shooting too often. That's the opposite view but it takes into account who is on the floor with him. These stats mean so little if not taken into context. Someone needs to go to the bench so the bench isn't so anemic offensively and so the shooters on the starters can shoot more. Or some one needs to be traded to balance the offense vs defensive mix on the court. I have my ideas but they must be performed by Petrie in the long run. I would like to see Smart try something different in the few games left but doubt if he will do it. The only thing stopping him from doing what he wants is injury. Maybe we will learn something new with MT out. Maybe Smart will learn something. I am not as down on Smart as some but close. Let's get some big guys and let's get some defensive minded players like TWill.

My goodness, can't Smart see what a semi-offensive challenged TWill has done for the team? In a sense my desire to have MT traded for a SF is happening by MT's injury and the introduction of TWill. TWill is not the prototypical SF but his athleticism, BBIQ, and the like make him better than a whole bunch. I can see so many bigger lineups that are possible. At least worth a try. We may not score 120 but our opponents may not either.

We may even win more often. We earn nothing by having one of the highest scoring teams in the league. We earn something if we win.

It is becoming difficult to be a fan of this team.
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Smart has talked about the importance of outside shooting on this team (because of Cousins), and so replacing a good outside shooter (MT) with a so-so outside shooter (T-Will) doesn't jibe with that consideration. I do think that Smart is well aware of T-Will's talents. After all, he was gung ho about getting him, and he's given him a lot of playing time for a newbie with a checkered past. I really believe that at the very latest by next year's trade deadline there will be a blockbuster deal. If there is a ton of discussion/debate on this board about the imbalances of the lineup, it seems very reasonable to believe that management is well aware of those issues as well, and they will act accordingly. We'll see...
 
bajaden said:
I disagree that Hinrich sucks. Whether he's what we need or not is another story. However I agree on Anderson. He's a much better player than he's given credit for. He has good size at the position at 6'10", is a good rebounder, and was one of the top rebounders in the Pac 10 at Cal. He just happens to be a very good outside shooter, and, I hate to say this, but he's white. For some reason that always creates an image of a tall white stiff thats only a spot up shooter. Simply not the case with Anderson. He can play in the post just as well as the perimeter. He's also a much better defender than people realize.
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Do you think Anderson can guard 3s?
 
Kingster said:
Do you think Anderson can guard 3s?
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Well, I consider him a PF, so I would prefer him to guard PF's. But to answer your question, I think there are some he could guard, and some that would give him fits. He's a pretty good athlete, but lets face it, there are some very quick three's in the league. You'd be asking a 6'10", 250 pound player to guard guys like T. Will. I think that would be a nightmare for Anderson.

So if your asking if he could solve our SF problem, the answer is no. But he would help give us depth at the PF position, and in many ways, in leiu of anything else, would help our perimeter shooting. He's a deadly outside shooter. Hey, and as a bonus, he's from sacramento...
 
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