Dwight Howard

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According to Ric Bucher of ESPN, the Magic are considering trading Dwight Howard this summer due to his imminent free agent status in 2012. With the derth of quality big men in the current NBA, Howard has been a perennial all NBA 1st teamer at the center position, a two time defensive player of the year (perhaps this year as well), and is still only 25 years old. Dwight is looking to move to Los Angeles or New Jersey optimally, but the Magic still hold his contract and could trade him to any team if the offer was good enough on their end.

With the recent movement of quality players for picks and prospects it seems that the Kings would have what the Magic would be looking to get back in a trade for a superstar; cap relief, young prospects with potential, and draft pick(s).

Having said that, and taking into consideration the uncertainty regarding team finances, location, and the CBA next season, would it make sense to spend some young prospects not named Evans or Cousins with a pick or two to lure Dwight Howard to the land of the Kings, especially if they were able to negotiate a contract extension a la Garnett, Melo, etc.?

The building blocks for the franchise would then be Tyreke Evans, Marcus Thornton (restricted free agent and thus untradable unless signed and traded), DeMarcus Cousins, and Dwight Howard. Either in Sacramento or Anahiem that would be a beast of a 4-headed monster for any team to deal with and it would be great to see that versatile hydra eat opposing defenses alive with the inside/outside blitzkrieg...

Depth would suffer, and the chemistry from the previous run may be tampered with, but with reward often comes risk. So would it be in the Kings best interest to pursue this avenue over the summer or hold court, resign an aging but mobile Dalembert, and look toward a small forward instead?


Reason the Kings do this:
Front court depth and dominance. A front line of Cousins and Howard going forward is special, and most likely spells deep playoff runs for many years with quality guard play. Howard would provide the elite defense and rebounding, Cousins would help with the rebounding and provide the elite inside, outside offense and passing to set his teammates up. Mana from heaven?

Reason the Kings don't do this: Expense of signing a superstar at the same position of their young prodigy. DeMarcus is versatile, but optimally he would be more of a center than a power forward, and this year he played a bit of both. He could be a defensive liability as the full time 4, and the lack of depth could hurt the team, and the cost of Dwight could hurt the Maloof's bottom line too much for comfort.

Reason the Magic do this:
Getting the most for their superstar before he bolts. If Dwight Howard is out the door for greener pastures the time is now to get the most they can for him. They don't want a Chris Bosh or Carmello Anthony saga to drag down team morale or team talent. Trading Dwight to the Kings would give them salary cap flexibility, especially important with the new collective bargaining agreement, several young prospects, and a high draft pick (no lower than 8th but probably in the top 6). All of these ingredients are key to a quick turnaround, full rebuild, and a way to stay profitable in todays NBA economy where losing can have far reaching economic consequences.

Reason the Magic don't do this: Superstars should remain with their original teams. Dwight Howard is a prodigy, an athletic freak, and a genuine nice guy. Optimally, they wouldn't have to trade their franchise player, but would find a way to make it work to re-sign him to the team long term. If that was possible, there would be no need for the Magic to pursue this deal, as they are just happy as clams in brine with his production on and off the court.
 
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Dwight Howard and DMC would easily work, just as Dally and DMC has (Dwight would often guard the power forwards who are most often the better offensive player) but I hiiiighhllyy doubt we would have a shot at him.
 
I don't think the Kings can get Howard UNLESS someone named Evans or Cousins is involved. It would be an incredible coup if it were allowed.
 
Look, I'd love to have Howard next to Cousins. But we have to be realistic. Howard has the say in where he wants to go. Any team trading for Howard would have to have an extension in place, and Howard would have to agree to that extension. Howard has already stated the two teams he'll agree to sign with, and Sacramento wasn't one of them. I have no problem with pie in the sky. I dream that way myself sometimes. The truth is, that even if we could appease the appetite of Orlando, and trust me, we wouldn't be left with the core you suggested, we'd still have to convince Howard. And that just isn't likely, nor realistic.
 
No shot. Only reason Dwight would want to move is to do the superteam thing in a bigger market. Not join kids here. And setting aside Evans & Cousins, and with Thornton a free agent, our best offer is what? Casspi, this year's #1, and a #1 every off numbered year for the next decade?

Should also note that nearly guaranteed championships aside, we would not be abel to pay for it long term, especially not if a harder cap is ocming.

Have to beware this "rumor" anyway, as its a Bucher rumor that he has been pushing for the most part alone, and is one of those "rumors" where a writer starts ioff saying the Team MAY consider trading so and so BECAUSE of such and such, but its never clear if the idea has even crossed the Team's mind, or jsut makes sense to a particular writer as a way to keep people reading.
 
If the Kings ask and offer anything less than Cousins +picks or Evans+Jt/Casspi+picks, the Magic will laugh as they hang up.
 
Both of them? I don't think so.... An Evans Cousins duo will bring you much closer to a championship in the future than Howard can by himself. I mean, look at all the help he has right now, and still they can't seem to get close. Howard is more valuable than either of them, at least right now, but not both of them together.
 
Yes, both of them. Tyreke came off a horrible season and anyone trading for him will look into his injury history and his weak weak ankles.

As for DMC, he still hasn't put it together. His fg% is horrible because he tries to take every big off the dribble or shoot a 20 footer. Instead of playing big he always goes for the charge. He must think turnovers are good stats to get. These are some of the worst things you want from a big.

Yes, they have promise, but a lot of rookies and second years have shown promise. There isn't a dearth of talent in the NBA; it's a dearth of mindset. Tyreke and DMC have not shown that they have, without a doubt, the mindset needed to be winners.

Dwight Howard is still getting better. He can get you 20/10 without even using a post move or jump shot. He has added a bank shot and is a lot more comfortable with a hook. He is a DPOY 3 times running and figures to get it for as long as he is healthy. He takes tremendous care of his body and plays with a bunch of 3 pt chuckers who have an allergy to defense. Tell me where this starting 5 would get you: Nelson, Tyreke, Hedo, Bass, DMC. Sure as hell ain't where Dwight will take them. You can talk about potential all you want, but Dwight still has gobs of potential, is a team player, is a good person, works at his game and body, and is producing at unheard of numbers right now. He is without a doubt a top 5 player and arguably top 3. He's also just turned 25.

I'll give them Tyreke and DMC for Dwight easily. Beno and Thornton would thrive next to a guy like Dwight.
 
Yes, both of them. Tyreke came off a horrible season and anyone trading for him will look into his injury history and his weak weak ankles.

As for DMC, he still hasn't put it together. His fg% is horrible because he tries to take every big off the dribble or shoot a 20 footer. Instead of playing big he always goes for the charge. He must think turnovers are good stats to get. These are some of the worst things you want from a big.

Yes, they have promise, but a lot of rookies and second years have shown promise. There isn't a dearth of talent in the NBA; it's a dearth of mindset. Tyreke and DMC have not shown that they have, without a doubt, the mindset needed to be winners.

Dwight Howard is still getting better. He can get you 20/10 without even using a post move or jump shot. He has added a bank shot and is a lot more comfortable with a hook. He is a DPOY 3 times running and figures to get it for as long as he is healthy. He takes tremendous care of his body and plays with a bunch of 3 pt chuckers who have an allergy to defense. Tell me where this starting 5 would get you: Nelson, Tyreke, Hedo, Bass, DMC. Sure as hell ain't where Dwight will take them. You can talk about potential all you want, but Dwight still has gobs of potential, is a team player, is a good person, works at his game and body, and is producing at unheard of numbers right now. He is without a doubt a top 5 player and arguably top 3. He's also just turned 25.

I'll give them Tyreke and DMC for Dwight easily. Beno and Thornton would thrive next to a guy like Dwight.

watch dwight bolt ASAP with no talent around him LMAO

who do we have to draw double teams besides howard after reke and DMC is gone?

beno
thornton
casspi/greene
JT/whiteside
dwight/sammy
 
Rhythymless, you don't give 2 future all-stars for a guy who is going to leave after a season nor is Orlando going to receive anything of the like with just 1 season left on his contract. It would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
watch dwight bolt ASAP with no talent around him LMAO

who do we have to draw double teams besides howard after reke and DMC is gone?

beno
thornton
casspi/greene
JT/whiteside
dwight/sammy

Not sure how you went to the doom scenario to refute everything I laid out, but I am in no way saying to trade Reke and DMC for a rental of Howard. Extend and trade only.
 
Rhythymless, you don't give 2 future all-stars for a guy who is going to leave after a season nor is Orlando going to receive anything of the like with just 1 season left on his contract. It would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Not for rental, but for an extend and trade, hell yes I would do it.

Not sure how everyone automatically went to 1 year rental mode. Look at Melo; nothing happened until he agreed to an extension and no trade happened until he was extended.

Future all star? I love how you guys throw future this, 20/10 that around like it will surely happen. This isn't 2k, in real life guys more often do not fulfill their potential than do.
 
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Rhythymless, you don't give 2 future all-stars for a guy who is going to leave after a season nor is Orlando going to receive anything of the like with just 1 season left on his contract. It would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

yeah, kings fans will be drinking purple suicide juice after dwight bolts for greener pastures. hey maybe we can get a 20 million dollar trade exception and future draft picks from dwight's future team to find another reke and dmc.
 
Not for rental, but for an extend and trade, hell yes I would do it.

Not sure how everyone automatically went to 1 year rental mode. Look at Melo; nothing happened until he agreed to an extension and no trade happened until he was extended.Future all star? I love how you guys throw future this, 20/10 that around like it will surely happen. This isn't 2k, in real life guys more often do not fulfill their potential than do.

denver wanted to do the trade w/ new jersey not new york. melo forced denver's hand to trade him to exactly where he wanted. i for one, don't want to be involved with that circus that comes w/ a high profile unrestricted free agent that is looking for greener pastures. it'll be just like the bs thats going on now (kings possibly leaving for anaheim). fans worrying about the franchise's future....
 
yeah, kings fans will be drinking purple suicide juice after dwight bolts for greener pastures. hey maybe we can get a 20 million dollar trade exception and future draft picks from dwight's future team to find another reke and dmc.

*sigh*

look above your post. After the post you quoted.
 
denver wanted to do the trade w/ new jersey not new york. melo forced denver's hand to trade him to exactly where he wanted. i for one, don't want to be involved with that circus that comes w/ a high profile unrestricted free agent that is looking for greener pastures. it'll be just like the bs thats going on now (kings possibly leaving for anaheim). fans worrying about the franchise's future....

What? So because it happened there, it will happen here? Did all that hoopla happen with Deron Williams? No. So why is it going to happen here? This stuff is preposterous.

For the last time, I will only do the trade if Dwight Howard is locked up long term.
 
i'll pass. the combination of those 2 talents are imo better than howard alone.

These two talents are hard to fit right now. If Cousins stops dribbling, stops shooting outside jumpers, his fg% and turnovers will drop immensely. They will drop into average center figures, which allows his production to be a net positive. If Tyreke can stop pounding the ball, ruin fastbreaks, and learn to have a jumpshot (which is all repetition, which is all effort, which we can judge after the offseason), then we can see a balanced team.

Otherwise, building around Howard is pretty easy. He is a marketable star, he is likable, shooters will flock to him. Who wants to come watch Tyreke not pass or have DMC punch them in the face?

Don't get me wrong, these guys are immensely talented, and I am hopeful. I'm just not going to delude myself into thinking they are something when they aren't (yet). They need seasoning. But it's still a big if as to whether they will get *it* or not. What Dwight has done with such limited offense is just scary. He is literally rewriting all kinds of record books. And he isn't near his potential yet.
 
Not for rental, but for an extend and trade, hell yes I would do it.

Not sure how everyone automatically went to 1 year rental mode. Look at Melo; nothing happened until he agreed to an extension and no trade happened until he was extended.

Future all star? I love how you guys throw future this, 20/10 that around like it will surely happen. This isn't 2k, in real life guys more often do not fulfill their potential than do.

No actually in the NBA ultra talents more often DO fulfill their potential than not. These aren't draft picks we are talking about.
 
As for DMC, he still hasn't put it together. His fg% is horrible because he tries to take every big off the dribble or shoot a 20 footer. Instead of playing big he always goes for the charge. He must think turnovers are good stats to get. These are some of the worst things you want from a big.

Still? He is/was in his first year, for crying out loud! If you haven't seen the progress Cousins has made in the last two months of the season, you can't have been watching too closely.

Tell me where this starting 5 would get you: Nelson, Tyreke, Hedo, Bass, DMC.

In the East? With SvG as a head coach? My guess is playoffs with homecourt advantage not too far out of the question and the potential for the next few years far greater than anything Howard on his own could deliver.
 
For all we know, Cuz may end up being better than Howard. I'd like to see how that plays out.

I'd easily settle for just as good as Howard. Dwight just named NBA defensive player of the year - third straight is a record. I agree that DeMarcus might eventually be better than Howard but he'll need to be more of a defensive presence. At only 20 he's way better spot shooter than Howard, way better FT shooter, and passer. Has a lot of amazing tools at such a young age and plenty of time to refine them and develop more.
 
I'd easily settle for just as good as Howard. Dwight just named NBA defensive player of the year - third straight is a record. I agree that DeMarcus might eventually be better than Howard but he'll need to be more of a defensive presence. At only 20 he's way better spot shooter than Howard, way better FT shooter, and passer. Has a lot of amazing tools at such a young age and plenty of time to refine them and develop more.

Pretty sure if you fused Dwight Howard and Demarcus into one player, you'd have the greatest player of all time.
 
Pretty sure if you fused Dwight Howard and Demarcus into one player, you'd have the greatest player of all time.

You mean we have the potential of a combination of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell? I love getting carried away when there's actually a chance it could be - or almost.
 
You mean we have the potential of a combination of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell? I love getting carried away when there's actually a chance it could be - or almost.

Actually, you could just say Wilt. People forget that he was a very good passer. For his career he averaged 4.4 assists. Thats to go along with averaging 30.1 points per game and 22.9 rebounds per game.
 
Actually, you could just say Wilt. People forget that he was a very good passer. For his career he averaged 4.4 assists. Thats to go along with averaging 30.1 points per game and 22.9 rebounds per game.

I'd be perfectly happy with those stats from our big man. Where do I sign up?
 
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