Drummond Workout 6/14/12

[Uk kings fan]

Cheers guys i think from what you said....

96/4% chance he stays after rookie contract
50/50% he stays after 2nd?? (what year is this going to be??)

then if we think drummond is going to be the cuz (drop like a stone and people look back and think why didnt we take him) and we think get the best frount court in the NBA we take him... simple as

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

Cheers guys i think from what you said....

96/4% chance he stays after rookie contract
50/50% he stays after 2nd?? (what year is this going to be??)

then if we think drummond is going to be the cuz (drop like a stone and people look back and think why didnt we take him) and we think get the best frount court in the NBA we take him... simple as

I think it might be higher than 50/50 for this 2nd extension based off what he said prior to the beginning of last year in an interview. If I remember correctly he criticized players for wanting to join teams with other elite players and said that great players should be able to lead the teams they're with and create their own championship identity without going all mercenary for a title. Leads me to think he wants to create a legacy here with him leading a team to a championship. Off course, if the team still totally sucks when time for a second extension comes up, and the Maloofs are still the owners and putting no money into the team, then I wouldn't blame him for leaving.

 

[Uk kings fan]

i like cuz he seems to really have grown over the last two years... i think if he leads us to a championship he will go down with the legends though sadly....

 

[Gilles]

Interesting that Kings posted a very favorable video of Drummond's workout and now Blazers are only putting only the interview. Kings might be trying to sell him to other teams or using reverse psychology and want people to think that they are selling so that Portland didn't move up for him or some other way of thinking is applicable as well so as always nothing is clear. Which begs the question, what is the best tell that Kings give away about their future pick. I think Evans and Cousins had two workouts but one of those for each player was a competitive against other players and Drummond only called out Davis and it's not happening in Sacramento anyway. Anybody remember what was the pre-draft indicators for JT and Jimmer?

 

[beb0p]

Interesting that Kings posted a very favorable video of Drummond's workout and now Blazers are only putting only the interview. Kings might be trying to sell him to other teams or using reverse psychology and want people to think that they are selling so that Portland didn't move up for him or some other way of thinking is applicable as well so as always nothing is clear. Which begs the question, what is the best tell that Kings give away about their future pick. I think Evans and Cousins had two workouts but one of those for each player was a competitive against other players and Drummond only called out Davis and it's not happening in Sacramento anyway. Anybody remember what was the pre-draft indicators for JT and Jimmer?

The Kings kept JT underwraps, never mentioned his name, and secretly brought him to Sacramento for a workout. Jimmer, everyone and his grandma knew Kings were taking him.

 

[bajaden]

The Kings kept JT underwraps, never mentioned his name, and secretly brought him to Sacramento for a workout. Jimmer, everyone and his grandma knew Kings were taking him.

Yeah, Jimmer was easy to predict. Especially when Gavin did everything but have sex with him at the workout. I was fairly sure of Tyreke as well. Cousins was a sure pick if he fell to us. Little harder this year. More overall talent with not a lot of seperation between 10 to 12 players. I have my favorites, but they're more personal than talent based.

 

[roasthawg]

I actually think this year is pretty easy to predict too... I believe the reports that we'll take whoevers left between Barnes, Beal, Robinson, and MKG. I'm hoping for MKG but I'll be excited with any of those guys.

 

[Heuge]

If Drummond is there at #5, Im all in.

 

[D13]

Here's some of Drummond's workout in Portland:

 

[Section 101]

The Kings kept JT underwraps, never mentioned his name, and secretly brought him to Sacramento for a workout. Jimmer, everyone and his grandma knew Kings were taking him.

If I remember correctly they saw JT at a warriors workout.

 

[Gilles]

Drummond apparently tanked low volume free throw shooting going 1-4 when the press was allowed. Early reports even had controversial statements like "workout in Washington ended after 1-4 from FT line" implying Wizrds shut it down after 1-4.

 

[hrdboild]

Drummond apparently tanked low volume free throw shooting going 1-4 when the press was allowed. Early reports even had controversial statements like "workout in Washington ended after 1-4 from FT line" implying Wizrds shut it down after 1-4.

If the rumors are true we're one of the teams shying away from Drummond but Shaq, Wallace, and Howard all were/are atrocious free throw shooters so there's already a track record of elite athletes of this type not just finding a role but being very valuable to their teams as enforcers and rebounders. Shaq could do a bit more of course but I don't think his .527 career free-throw percentage is going to keep him out of the hall of fame. The only serious question mark for him, I think, is where his head is at. If he wants to be elite bad enough to work hard in the gym and play hard in the games there's no reason physically why he won't be in that class of player.

 

[Gilles]

Robinson and Drummond are working out together on Friday for Bobcats, which means they are going at each other.

 

[Uk kings fan]

If the rumors are true we're one of the teams shying away from Drummond but Shaq, Wallace, and Howard all were/are atrocious free throw shooters so there's already a track record of elite athletes of this type not just finding a role but being very valuable to their teams as enforcers and rebounders. Shaq could do a bit more of course but I don't think his .527 career free-throw percentage is going to keep him out of the hall of fame. The only serious question mark for him, I think, is where his head is at. If he wants to be elite bad enough to work hard in the gym and play hard in the games there's no reason physically why he won't be in that class of player.

Tbf to the lad he answered about his head being in the right place extreamly well in his interviews... He also came across very likable somthing which i could see liftiing him top 5

 

[SacTownKid]

If I remember correctly they saw JT at a warriors workout.

Petrie watched him workout numerous times in college too. I remember reading a newspaper report one time that stated Geoff Petrie of the Kings was there.

 

[Prince_XY]

The video was edited so we have no idea how many he missed. But his shot looked pretty bad. If he keeps that mechanic he will never be a good shooter from FT or FG% wise.

I know you do like him, and you know I do think he's a bust waiting to happen

Compare this young player (Dwight Howard):

1.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=related

and this young player (Demarcus Cousins):

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEYFAfk8M3M

with this young player (Andre Drummond):

3.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4&feature=relmfu




Who would you gamble with if they come on the same draft year?

IMO, Drummond is just as skilled (if not more skilled) and more athletic than Howard and Cousins combined. It would be hard for GMs to pass on the opportunity to develop this kid. Petrie will be a fool (just like the GM's at 2,3,4) to pass on Drummond at 5.

Trim down Drummond's weight to 250-255, get him to play with the same passion or style of play that he used to play in high school, get him motivated and believing on himself, and this Drummond will be the real deal.

Cousins and Drummond will be the most awesome frontline in the NBA in 2-3 years time.

 

[Bricklayer]

Compare this young player (Dwight Howard):

1.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=related

and this young player (Demarcus Cousins):

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEYFAfk8M3M

with this young player (Andre Drummond):

3.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4&feature=relmfu




Who would you gamble with if they come on the same draft year?

IMO, Drummond is just as skilled (if not more skilled) and more athletic than Howard and Cousins combined. It would be hard for GMs to pass on the opportunity to develop this kid. Petrie will be a fool (just like the GM's at 2,3,4) to pass on Drummond at 5.

Trim down Drummond's weight to 250-255, get him to play with the same passion or style of play that he used to play in high school, get him motivated and believing on himself, and this Drummond will be the real deal.

Cousins and Drummond will be the most awesome frontline in the NBA in 2-3 years time.

You can't trim down a 275lb guy with 7.5% body fat to 255 without cutting off a leg, whihc would make him somewhat less useful as an interior defender.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Love how everyone choose to judge Drummond off some 3 minutes youtube clips, opposed to an whole basketball year we were just witnessed to. Priceless.

 

[SacTownKid]

You can't trim down a 275lb guy with 7.5% body fat to 255 without cutting off a leg, whihc would make him somewhat less useful as an interior defender.

Precisely. And as soon as he discovers an NBA strength and conditioning coach and he starts to naturally fill out he'll be 300+ pounds in the blink of an eye. Which is either really good, or really bad.

 

[Glenn]

Love how everyone choose to judge Drummond off some 3 minutes youtube clips, opposed to an whole basketball year we were just witnessed to. Priceless.

He looked very disappointing all year. In fact, it was totally predictable he would look good at the combine. Why wouldn't he? He's a great athlete. It's when he needs energy to play a full game, know his position, and have an impact where he totally falls down. The question is whether he can be motivated and I'm not sure that can be determined in an interview. He knows what to say. The only way you know if you should say "oops!" is to draft him and have him fail.

It is good to hear Beal will not work out for anyone but a top 4 team. It is good Barnes canceled as he probably has a guarantee of sorts that he will be picked top 4. That means so far we know Beal, Davis, and Barnes are going top 4. That leaves us hoping that Drummond or Robinson get picked before us and that is likely.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

If the rumors are true we're one of the teams shying away from Drummond but Shaq, Wallace, and Howard all were/are atrocious free throw shooters so there's already a track record of elite athletes of this type not just finding a role but being very valuable to their teams as enforcers and rebounders. Shaq could do a bit more of course but I don't think his .527 career free-throw percentage is going to keep him out of the hall of fame. The only serious question mark for him, I think, is where his head is at. If he wants to be elite bad enough to work hard in the gym and play hard in the games there's no reason physically why he won't be in that class of player.

Karl Malone shot 48.1% and 59.8% from the free throw line during his first 2 years in the league. He developed into mid-70's shooter the rest of his career. Chris Webber followed a similar path. Hopefully Drummond will too.

 

[Glenn]

Karl Malone shot 48.1% and 59.8% from the free throw line during his first 2 years in the league. He developed into mid-70's shooter the rest of his career. Chris Webber followed a similar path. Hopefully Drummond will too.

The major problem is motivation. He has gained weight since college depending on whether you believe the stats. He sure doesn't appear motivated in games. He was out of wind at the Kings workout so isn't in cardio shape. What would make anyone think that a 30% free throw shooter would automatically improve just because two of the greatest power forwards in the history of the NBA improved. I can also point to Shaq and Wilt who didn't improve and they were very motivated.

Have you seen a video of him shooting a free throw? He kind of throws the ball towards the general area of the rim. He has zero mechanics.

 

[Prince_XY]

You can't trim down a 275lb guy with 7.5% body fat to 255 without cutting off a leg, whihc would make him somewhat less useful as an interior defender.

Whoah!

6' 11", 275 lbs, with 7.5% body fat.

What a physical specimen!

This kid is only 18 years old. With the skills he already has (which I think Dwight Howard didn't even come close to having at the same age) and given the right professional support and mentor the sky is the limit for this kid. He will be a surefire top BIG in the NBA if developed properly.

Cousins wants to be an a-hole and go somewhere in a few years?

No problem. We would still have another awesome big in Drummond.

But of course, I hope Cousins stays as a Kings for a long time.

 

[Gilles]

Yesterday I came across a note that Clifford Ray was the key to development of Kendrick Perkins and Al Jefferson who is often praised (only Big Al, of course) for having one of the best low post techniques in the NBA. After quick research it seems like Ray was instrumental in the development of...wait for it...Dwight Howard.
If MKG falls to #5, it will be a tough decision, and I'm absolutely 50/50. Barnes vs Drummond? It should be Drummond.

 

[Siranthony]

Compare this young player (Dwight Howard):

1.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg&feature=related

and this young player (Demarcus Cousins):

2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEYFAfk8M3M

with this young player (Andre Drummond):

3.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4&feature=relmfu




Who would you gamble with if they come on the same draft year?

IMO, Drummond is just as skilled (if not more skilled) and more athletic than Howard and Cousins combined. It would be hard for GMs to pass on the opportunity to develop this kid. Petrie will be a fool (just like the GM's at 2,3,4) to pass on Drummond at 5.

Trim down Drummond's weight to 250-255, get him to play with the same passion or style of play that he used to play in high school, get him motivated and believing on himself, and this Drummond will be the real deal.

Cousins and Drummond will be the most awesome frontline in the NBA in 2-3 years time.

I agree 100%. We will regret not taking this guy! It's a tough decision between him and MKG.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

It just baffles me how people who watched Drummond consistently this year (And trust me, with some people i'd be more inclined to believe they watched maybe a game + a bucket load of youtube clips instead) - can be so confident about him turning out good, and him growing up to be a beast and somneone we "can't afford to miss on".

I just can't understand it. Were we watching the same guy play? are you sure?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Would we be having this conversation if we picked kawhi Leonard last year? I hope we dont do the same thing last year trade down acquire a bad contract.

 

[Gilles]

I don't know go watch games vs Syracuse. With 18-year old bigs who happens to be top-10 athlete (Thabeet and Jordan are not nearly as mobile) of the last decade you look for flashes and there were quite a few. Then there's quite a few reasonable excuses. You seem to be a fan of a certain center for whom excuses are made all the time since he's knucklehead and chucks like crazy. See how it's easy to diminish every player. Drummond is barely top-30 player right now out of all the guys entering the draft. Want a player for now? Take Festus Ezeli.

 

[ParniValjak]

Yesterday I came across a note that Clifford Ray was the key to development of Kendrick Perkins and Al Jefferson who is often praised (only Big Al, of course) for having one of the best low post techniques in the NBA. After quick research it seems like Ray was instrumental in the development of...wait for it...Dwight Howard.
If MKG falls to #5, it will be a tough decision, and I'm absolutely 50/50. Barnes vs Drummond? It should be Drummond.

You can take the horse to the water but you can't make it drink!

Drummond obviously has all the tools to be a superstar but if (and I say if because I don't know) he does not have the desire, hunger and work ethic to get there he will NEVER be any good! Darko was a very talented big man and could have been a perennial all star but he lacked what he needed to have to get ther...and no it was not talent!

It could work but it could also bust in a major way! With MKG you know what you are getting and you are certain he will work the hardest for longest to try and be the best he possibly could be!

I think MKG is very talented but to me he is a bit like Vlade in a sense that his greatest worth is his ability to bring everyone together and sometimes that is more valuable than talent!

 

[Prince_XY]

It just baffles me how people who watched Drummond consistently this year (And trust me, with some people i'd be more inclined to believe they watched maybe a game + a bucket load of youtube clips instead) - can be so confident about him turning out good, and him growing up to be a beast and somneone we "can't afford to miss on".

I just can't understand it. Were we watching the same guy play? are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4&feature=relmfu



I know these are mere high school highlights and I know Drummond has only 2.7 blocks per game to show in his only year in College. But please watch carefully these high school highlights of Drummond and then tell me which HOF BIG in the NBA moved better than Drummond during their teenage years.

I bet not too many.

Just like Cousins, this Drummond kid is a rare kind.