Drummond Workout 6/14/12
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SacTownKid
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Probably going to find a lot more PF's closer to 220-230 than 300. You have one guy who worked his butt off to lose weight and only got to 280 and he isn't even done growing yet. The other guy is working his butt off to gain weight. Naturally both of these players will most likely gain weight. Any more for Drummond and you're hitting negative territory if you want him to play PF. Any additional weight for Henson will be a positive. For a jumping bean 300 plus pounds is just crazy. He really does remind me of Oden coming in and I think his body will undergo a similar transformation the question is whether or not his knees hold up.
vikinginferno
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baller13
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Did someone really compare Henson to anthony davis???? Whats the difference?? Davis led his team to a national championship. Henson isnt even the best player on his team. I think that should about cover it.
Gary
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I know he wouldn't be here to hit jump shots, but damn his shot mechanics are terrible. It's like he flicks his wrist really hard, and his arms are there to put the right angle on it based on how far he is away. I know I am not explaining it the way I see it in my head, but it's just ugly looking.
Also, lol at him following the outlet pass to the coach instead of going down to the rim which I am pretty sure they wanted him to do.
Also, lol at him following the outlet pass to the coach instead of going down to the rim which I am pretty sure they wanted him to do.
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Dime Dropper
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It's not picture perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as you're making out. Especially for a big guy. But then again you have your mind made up on Drummond and anything you see in a workout video was just going to confirm it for you.
Bricklayer
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Yet oddly all but one of them went in.
Gary
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The video was edited so we have no idea how many he missed. But his shot looked pretty bad. If he keeps that mechanic he will never be a good shooter from FT or FG% wise.
I know you do like him, and you know I do think he's a bust waiting to happen
Telemachus
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Can't find a link but I remember Drummond had a virus in May. That's why he dropped 20 pounds and everybody was amazed how he was able to drop 20 pounds from that frame. At least he claims he was under 268 at that point. At least he claims he was under 268 at that point(link).
Mass
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Always better than Chuck. And at least this guy is a 6-10 freaky athlete, not a 6-6 center who can't even jump. Right now I don't mind if he can't shoot, and I don't care about his mechanics. Perkins can't shoot. Noah has horrible mechanics. But we would love to have a guy like them next to Cousins. He is only 18 years old, nobody is a finished product at that age.
If he's there at 5, it's hard to pass on him.
He can catch the ball, but he has no touch around the rim.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Clifford Ray actually seemed to do a very nice job after arriving. But I actually think Cousins and JT themselves could be a major factor. Working against those guys every day.
Exactly what development are we talking about anyway? Developing as a superstar? I have limited confidence in us. But hell, that is far more than we need. Developing as a 6'11" physical specimen capable of facing up, creatring horrible mismatch problems and protecting the rim while Cousins draws attention tearing up the other side? If the size and talent are there there is no reason that can't happen.
Let's look at a simple stat scenario:
6'11" Cousins 22pts 12reb
6'11" Drummond 12pt 8reb 2blk
6'11" Thompson 8pts 7reb
That doesn't even require stretching. We're not even talking primes here. We're talking next couple of seasons. That's all it would take to have a claim as the best frickin' frontcourt in the NBA.
Here, let me get ambitious. Not horribly ambitious. Let me just assume guys are in their prime 5 years from now (mind you 5 years form now Cousis is 26 and Drummond is 23!):
6'11" Cousins 24pts 13reb
6'11" Drummond 15pt 10reb 2blk
6'11" Thompson 8pts 6reb
again, this is not calling for a superstar. This is not calling for a miraculous development. But its also the stats of very likely the best frontcourt in the entire league. A dominant pound you all night trio that only needs one or two good guards to be a contending crew. In fact the biggest problem might just be being able to pay for all three guys and still being able to pay for a couple of guards.
And so when we talk about developing Drummond what are we talking about? Developing him into a 20-10 guy? Be amazing if we had two of them to be sure. But we don't need anything like that to have gotten an amazing future out of a pick like this. Maybe he bombs. but he doesn't have to wildly succeed to make us one of the best teams in the league up front. We've already got a budding superstar up there. We just need Robin.
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Mass
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Actually I think we are doing a pretty good job developing Cousins. He had a very good second season, a season without training camp and after 6 months of lockout. Also, JT played a lot better. Let's give Smart and his staff some credit. They are developing our players. Since Smart took over, IT played better. Cousins played better. JT played better. Williams came in and played the best NBA basketball of his young career. I could also argue that Salmons, once he was coming off the bench, played pretty well. The only one who didn't played better was Tyreke, but he was out of position.
So, I'm pretty confident if we draft Drummond, we can develop him and hopefully we can create a monster frontcourt.
If we're talking about 5 years from now the more that I see the need for drafting this Drummond Kid. I see Cousins a couple of years from now wanting to go to another team that is not chaotic. A team that is well balanced and managed by a very good GM. A team with concrete vision/plan on what do to win. We don't want to end-up without a very good BIG. We need to draft and start developing another potential good BIG (Drummond) now.
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Or, it could be just coincidence and had nothing to do with Smart as the coach. It could be that it was about time that these players woke-up and improved on their play during the season.
Mass
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Maybe. I'm just not sure that they would have made the same improvements under Westphal. But we'll never know.
Well, I see that if something goes wrong, it's Smart's fault. If something goes right, it's coincidence. I want to give Smart a full season before dumping him.
Uk kings fan
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i like him and if he falls i think we take him but i think with that kind of attitude some team ahead of us thnks they can have there own cuz and takes him
upinsmoke
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Disagree. Watch CUZ's rookie year film his game is so much more fluid now. The reason I don't want Drummond is is we have to many big projects going on right now excluding DMC & Evans we have Whiteside, Jimmer, Honeycutt and possibly but unlikely Greene. If were going to bring in a rookie he better have more to offer than a big athletic frame.
Glenn
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So you are willing to give up on an 18 year old because he is an inconvenience. Let's simplify this. We an't afford to sign Greene as we will need to extend or match Tyreke and Cousins in the period of time a Greene contract would be. Let him go. I don't understand the fascination with Honeycutt. He will not be a major contributor to the team. If he is, we suck. That leaves the projects as Whiteside, Jimmer, and Drummond. Jimmer probably will work his problems out by himself to the most extent. That leaves Whiteside and Drummond as the projects. Most teams would be happy to have what could be the best shot blocker in the league and a giant 18 year old to work with.
What do we hire the damn coaches for?
He's 18!!!!!
vikinginferno
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It's funny how people have the habit of giving others all of the blame for something, but never any of the credit.
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Kingsguy881
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Totally.
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Bench
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can someeone give me a percentage chance of resigning Cuz is it 50/50 or even less???
KingsFanSince85
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can someeone give me a percentage chance of resigning Cuz is it 50/50 or even less???
Well, nothing is guaranteed, of course. That said, Cousins has made several statements during his time in the league that would make me believe the Kings chances are better than 50/50. As long as the team improves over the next couple seasons and the owners don't low ball him, I think he may be inclined to stay.
Cuz strikes me as a guy who is not about big city lights. I think he likes the small town feel. He has had an excessive amount of media attention on him already. Moving to a big city is only going to amplify that. Plus we can give him significantly more money than anyone else. Assuming we max him out, I bet he will stay.
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Kingsguy881
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Bricksta, you forgot to include Cousins 1.5 blks and 1.5 steals. Not being ambitious either. Thats what he put in last year.
sidney
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can someeone give me a percentage chance of resigning Cuz is it 50/50 or even less???
Cousins is not going to leave at the end of his rookie contract. Sheesh. If you are willing to max a player they don't leave coming off the rookie contract because of the way the rfa status is set up. If they did they have to sign a qualifying offer and play a whole year with no long term deal set up which is a major risk and a major loss of money since the qualifying offer year is half of what they would make with a max extension.
Guys leave AFTER their first extension before their second. That is what Bosh and Lebron did and what Deron and Dwight may do. They ALL signed an extension out of their rookie deal and so will Cousins.
That means we need to be extremely competitive in 4-6 years or so as Cousins is getting ready to sign that next deal. Cleveland timed it all wrong and had a load of crappy vets that had already peaked right when Lebron was ready to sign his 2nd extension. Poor planning.
This is an argument, btw, for being patient with a guy like Drummond if we think he is special. If he gets it he'll peak at the right time.
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