Does Bagley remind you of Siakam?

#61
In my opinion the comparison to Siakam is strange; they are not similar players. They are similar in size, that's about it. Just because I think Bagley is a better player doesn't mean that I don't believe in Siakam.
Exactly. These people just aren’t understanding that nobody is down on Siakam. But rather scoffing at this ridiculous notion that he was somehow a ‘much better’ player. The entirety of statistics demonstrate that the difference was marginal. Instead, they post advanced stats that indicate Siakam was better defensively, which I think most agree he surely was. But ignore things like PER that indicate they are fairly even overall. They also ignore that one played with Kawhi and one didn’t. So whatever.

As nice a surprise as Siakam was this season, he surely didn’t want the ball in Q4 yesterday. None of the Raptors did besides #2, which is why Kawhi had to shoot it so much. That was a fearful group of players that got carried by their superstar player.
 
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#63
I find that Kingsfans take both roads in rating Kings players. Many of them are overrated and overvalued. Many others are underrated and undervalued. But it's not just variance. I think it reflects a combination of homerism and loyalty on one hand, and the proverbial Sacramento/Kings inferiority complex on the other hand.
By the way, while I really like Siakam and believe he will be an All-Star, I wouldn't trade Bagley for Siakam. At least not until we can see how high Bags' ceiling is.
 
#64
They also ignore that one played with Kawhi and one didn’t. So whatever.

As nice a surprise as Siakam was this season, he surely didn’t want the ball in Q4 yesterday. None of the Raptors did besides #2, which is why Kawhi had to shoot it so much. That was a fearful group of players that got carried by their superstar player.
Agreed. The fact that Kawhi is on the team, takes all the pressure and makes players around him better is an inconvenient truth.
 
#65
I find that Kingsfans take both roads in rating Kings players. Many of them are overrated and overvalued. Many others are underrated and undervalued. But it's not just variance. I think it reflects a combination of homerism and loyalty on one hand, and the proverbial Sacramento/Kings inferiority complex on the other hand.
By the way, while I really like Siakam and believe he will be an All-Star, I wouldn't trade Bagley for Siakam. At least not until we can see how high Bags' ceiling is.
That was never the point of this discussion. If I wanted to go win a championship now or next season only without worrying about the future, I'd do the trade in a heartbeat. Siakam contributes significantly more to winning than Bagley does and it is isn't close. Just because a few people enjoy sticking their guns and denying the easy truth right in front of them, doesn't change the facts of this comparison.

Their isn't even really advanced stats posted in this thread. All of it is super basic and easy to comprehend. And it all shows how much better Siakam is at the game right now. Flabbergasted that some can process that data and still be like "Nah, the 3 games I saw Pascal played, I'm confident Bagley still better."
 
#66
That was never the point of this discussion. If I wanted to go win a championship now or next season only without worrying about the future, I'd do the trade in a heartbeat. Siakam contributes significantly more to winning than Bagley does and it is isn't close. Just because a few people enjoy sticking their guns and denying the easy truth right in front of them, doesn't change the facts of this comparison.

Their isn't even really advanced stats posted in this thread. All of it is super basic and easy to comprehend. And it all shows how much better Siakam is at the game right now. Flabbergasted that some can process that data and still be like "Nah, the 3 games I saw Pascal played, I'm confident Bagley still better."
What was "the point of this discussion," Obi-Wan, if not to discuss, compare and speculate on Siakam and Bagley?
 
#67
That was never the point of this discussion. If I wanted to go win a championship now or next season only without worrying about the future, I'd do the trade in a heartbeat. Siakam contributes significantly more to winning than Bagley does and it is isn't close. Just because a few people enjoy sticking their guns and denying the easy truth right in front of them, doesn't change the facts of this comparison.

Their isn't even really advanced stats posted in this thread. All of it is super basic and easy to comprehend. And it all shows how much better Siakam is at the game right now. Flabbergasted that some can process that data and still be like "Nah, the 3 games I saw Pascal played, I'm confident Bagley still better."
Yeah I no doubt think Bagley playing with Kawhi vs Siakam on the Kings last year in Bagleys spot would have you singing a different tune. But carry on Jam-on