DeMarre Carrol

[GeraldWallace#3]

What would you guys think about getting him with the 31st he's looking really good in workouts. I really didn't see him much in Mizzou but he looks like a hustle guy who will bring tenacity to any team. I fell he would fit in great with our guys, and I think we should take a look at him.

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[PurpleHaze]

I watched DeMarre Carrol quite a bit this past season and he's main reason Mizzou had such a great season and proved to be so dangerous in the NCAA Final Four tournament. Mizzou had a lot of superb talent this year but most would say he was their best overall player. He led them to the Big 12 tournament championship which is no mean feat in that tough conference. Very intense competitor, plays all out but with poise and leadership. Excellent on ball defender, extremely quick, good rebounder. Needs to improve outside shot and FT% since he gets to the line a lot. I would have no problem with the Kings grabbing him at 31 because I'm sure he goes not long after that in the second round. A lot of people thought he was 2nd best player in the conference behind just one - Blake Griffin.

 

[MizzouKing]

I've been staying out of the draft talk because I"m so uninformed about most of the pool, but I've spent most of the last season watching DeMarre play. Remember, this is the Mizzou Tigers, a team that experts predicted would finish somewhere in the middle of the Big 12. Instead Mizzou won its first Big 12 Conference tournament and rolled to the Elite Eight of the NCAA Tournament before falling to Thabeet's No. 1 seed Connecticut 82-75. Check out his stats against #3 Thabeet sometime...

Carroll is called "The Junkyard Dog," due to his willingness to do the dirty work and make something out of nothing. He became the undisputed leader of the Missouri Tigers and was recognized as the guy that set the tone for the rest of the team, in terms of hard work and attitude. What was most impressive about the entire team is the lack of egos. They show total respect for each other, including every member of the bench. They go into every game expecting to win, and they win and lose together.

DeMarre can play the wing or the post, but would need to work on his consistency, ball handling, and ability to finish at the basket at the NBA level. He's a heart and guts guy, not a natural athlete, but he's strong and will be a welcome addition (in the locker room and on the floor) to any team that signs him.

His accolades include MVP honors from the Big 12 Tournament and All-NCAA West Region honors. He also was a First Team All-Big 12 performer, both on the hardwood and in the classroom, in addition to earning honorable mention All-America consideration from the Associated Press. This April he accepted postseason invitations to the Portsmouth Invitational Camp in Virginia, where he was crowned the MVP.

I'd love to see him play on the Sacramento Kings...and while you're at it, check out Leo Lyons.

MK

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Guy's sort of a late bloomer on the draft radar--wasn't even talked up as a prospect until this year. Bubble 2nd round pick, but his stats are actually comparable to Al Thornton's senior year stats--both had a PER of 30 in college, both had very similar scoring methods, both were good rebounders in college and both were basically college PFs trying to convert to SF. But there's a huge difference--Carroll is far less athletic than Thornton, and when you factor in the lack of ballhandling skill and the slow release on his shot it's really hard to see Carroll moving down to SF like Thornton was able to.

Carroll looks to score, usually looking to score when he has the ball, and he's usually a good bet too, with a 59% TS. He's also a decent passer, with one of the best assist/turnover ratios for PFs. His athletic markers are solid and most pronounced in steals--he gets a ton--and he's a good rebounder for the SF position (in particular a good offensive rebounder). But he sorely needs a jumpshot in the worst way (he rarely takes threes, and he's largely been a terrible free throw shooter throughout college) to perhaps even cut it--he largely scores off garbage points whether off offensive rebounds and steals, but at 6'8" 225 lbs it's doubtful whether he can make a living solely off of that. At the end of the day, he's a tweener in the worst way, and his skillset is quite common in the league, so he'd probably go undrafted. Not sure we need him anyway--we already have a hustle player in JT, and it's not like we need another PF (I doubt he can play SF).

 

[bajaden]

Guy's sort of a late bloomer on the draft radar--wasn't even talked up as a prospect until this year. Bubble 2nd round pick, but his stats are actually comparable to Al Thornton's senior year stats--both had a PER of 30 in college, both had very similar scoring methods, both were good rebounders in college and both were basically college PFs trying to convert to SF. But there's a huge difference--Carroll is far less athletic than Thornton, and when you factor in the lack of ballhandling skill and the slow release on his shot it's really hard to see Carroll moving down to SF like Thornton was able to.

Carroll looks to score, usually looking to score when he has the ball, and he's usually a good bet too, with a 59% TS. He's also a decent passer, with one of the best assist/turnover ratios for PFs. His athletic markers are solid and most pronounced in steals--he gets a ton--and he's a good rebounder for the SF position (in particular a good offensive rebounder). But he sorely needs a jumpshot in the worst way (he rarely takes threes, and he's largely been a terrible free throw shooter throughout college) to perhaps even cut it--he largely scores off garbage points whether off offensive rebounds and steals, but at 6'8" 225 lbs it's doubtful whether he can make a living solely off of that. At the end of the day, he's a tweener in the worst way, and his skillset is quite common in the league, so he'd probably go undrafted. Not sure we need him anyway--we already have a hustle player in JT, and it's not like we need another PF (I doubt he can play SF).

Being from Missouri, I will admit to being biased. I would agree with you that Thornton is more athletic, and probably more skilled coming out of college. I also agree that I just don't think he can move to SF, but I've been wrong before. I didn't think Corliss could convert to SF, but he did. I will say this though. Carroll brings some intangibles to the game that Thornton doesn't. If Mark Madson can play in this league, then I think Carroll can. Probably won't be for us though..

 

[VF21]

I've been staying out of the draft talk because I"m so uninformed about most of the pool, but I've spent most of the last season watching DeMarre play. Remember, this is the Mizzou Tigers, a team that experts predicted would finish somewhere in the middle of the Big 12. Instead Mizzou won its first Big 12 Conference tournament and rolled to the Elite Eight of the NCAA Tournament before falling to Thabeet's No. 1 seed Connecticut 82-75. Check out his stats against #3 Thabeet sometime...

Carroll is called "The Junkyard Dog," due to his willingness to do the dirty work and make something out of nothing. He became the undisputed leader of the Missouri Tigers and was recognized as the guy that set the tone for the rest of the team, in terms of hard work and attitude. What was most impressive about the entire team is the lack of egos. They show total respect for each other, including every member of the bench. They go into every game expecting to win, and they win and lose together.

DeMarre can play the wing or the post, but would need to work on his consistency, ball handling, and ability to finish at the basket at the NBA level. He's a heart and guts guy, not a natural athlete, but he's strong and will be a welcome addition (in the locker room and on the floor) to any team that signs him.

His accolades include MVP honors from the Big 12 Tournament and All-NCAA West Region honors. He also was a First Team All-Big 12 performer, both on the hardwood and in the classroom, in addition to earning honorable mention All-America consideration from the Associated Press. This April he accepted postseason invitations to the Portsmouth Invitational Camp in Virginia, where he was crowned the MVP.

I'd love to see him play on the Sacramento Kings...and while you're at it, check out Leo Lyons.

MK

Thanks for the inside info... He sounds interesting, and he sounds like the kind of player that Petrie just might take a long look at in the second round.

 

[KCKingsCountry]

Lyons is the more talented Tiger but Carroll was the heart and soul of that team.

 

[MizzouKing]

Local Article

At interesting article on De Mare from his local university paper...

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/jun/07/carroll-making-his-draft-charge/?mubasketball

"...But Carroll has surprised talent evaluators with how much athletic ability and skill he’s also demonstrated during his workouts.

When he left Columbia, he moved to Los Angeles and has been training with former NBA player Don MacLean, who set the Pac-10 Conference all-time scoring record during his four-year career at UCLA. MacLean has helped Carroll improve his ball-handling and expand the range on his jump shot to make him a more versatile player in the eyes of NBA scouts. He said he’s lowered the release point on his jumper and has been making NBA 3-pointers as consistently as he hits midrange shots..."

 

[kennadog]

This needs to be considered, too. Givony had this report from the Reebok EuroCamp, about medicals done on players at the Chicago combine.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/International-Blog/#Reebok-Eurocamp-Day-Two-3251

-The medicals of various NBA draft prospects, including Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, who may need a liver transplant in the near or long-term future, DeJuan Blair, whose knees and arthritic condition are a major concern to certain teams, and A.J. Price, who reportedly still has an aneurysm in an artery of his brain that could become a serious issue later in his career.

It's too bad for those kids, but a team has to take those things into consideration when making a financial commitment, if they are true reports.

 

[MizzouKing]

Liver Transplant?

Wow, that's the first I'd heard about a possible need for a liver transplant. This would have a definite affect on any good GM's decision.

This needs to be considered, too. Givony had this report from the Reebok EuroCamp, about medicals done on players at the Chicago combine.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/International-Blog/#Reebok-Eurocamp-Day-Two-3251

It's too bad for those kids, but a team has to take those things into consideration when making a financial commitment, if they are true reports.

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

Honestly though I think that it shouldn't be that big of a problem, I mean look at Nene he had testicular cancer and came back the next season better then ever.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Honestly though I think that it shouldn't be that big of a problem, I mean look at Nene he had testicular cancer and came back the next season better then ever.

Don't get me wrong...I wouldn't want to lose my testes but there is a BIG difference between having a testicle removed and a Liver transplant. Just about every biochemical function of the body depends on the liver.

 

[kennadog]

Not to mention the lifetime medications you have to take with a transplant.

 

[Aenadin]

successful liver transplant doesnt always mean he gets a 100 percent body and ready to go... the testes and the liver are two different things.. in my opinion testes and any part of the reproductive organ is not as important as key organs like the liver.. i mean its your choice to reproduce right? but its not our choice to detoxify the body via the liver.. it is a necessity

the body can go so wrong in such a rapid pace if the liver is involved.. trust me ive seen it.. its not a pretty sight..

and kennadog is right.. the medication for liver is as steep as heck..

 

[MizzouKing]

Reality Check

From http://bullyforoldmizzou.blogspot.com/2009/06/demarre-carroll-may-require-liver.html

...this is a condition that DeMarre has been aware of for some time and has been receiving treatment for for the last couple years.

"It's very much blown out of proportion," he said. "There's a lot of misinformation that's out there."

For starters, the condition that sparked the concern is one Carroll was aware of and has been receiving treatment for over the past couple years. He's been under the care of Dr. Jeffrey S. Crippin, the Marilyn Bornefeld Endowed Chair in GI Research and Treatment at Washington University in St. Louis.

"What we have done is the doctor who cared for DeMarre at Missouri, Dr. Crippin, from Washington University in St. Louis, he and I have talked, and he's going to put together a letter that will go to all the teams and the team doctors, explaining his view on DeMarre's health," Bartelstein said. "He does not think there's any short-term issues at all. If it is something that needs to be addressed, it's way deep into his future, way after his basketball career is over, and that's even if it gets to that point. It may never even get to that point."​

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

From http://bullyforoldmizzou.blogspot.com/2009/06/demarre-carroll-may-require-liver.html

...this is a condition that DeMarre has been aware of for some time and has been receiving treatment for for the last couple years.

"It's very much blown out of proportion," he said. "There's a lot of misinformation that's out there."

For starters, the condition that sparked the concern is one Carroll was aware of and has been receiving treatment for over the past couple years. He's been under the care of Dr. Jeffrey S. Crippin, the Marilyn Bornefeld Endowed Chair in GI Research and Treatment at Washington University in St. Louis.

"What we have done is the doctor who cared for DeMarre at Missouri, Dr. Crippin, from Washington University in St. Louis, he and I have talked, and he's going to put together a letter that will go to all the teams and the team doctors, explaining his view on DeMarre's health," Bartelstein said. "He does not think there's any short-term issues at all. If it is something that needs to be addressed, it's way deep into his future, way after his basketball career is over, and that's even if it gets to that point. It may never even get to that point."
​

Whew, that is good news to hear.

 

[Krunker]

Even with the health issue, he might be worth taking a chance on as a late pick. If he needs a liver transplant then 99% his NBA career will be over (if it comes to that, he will be fortunate to stay alive, let alone play basketball). My mom had one years back and has lots of ups and downs with energy and is still on anti-rejection meds and then other meds to counteract the side effects of the anti-rejection meds, etc...

 

[kennadog]

For his sake, I really do hope it isn't an issue until after he has completed his NBA career. Better yet, hopefully he never needs a transplant.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I don't know if this is deserving of its own thread, but I'd rather go with Taj Gibson than DeMarre Carroll. I think Gibson's accelerated age (he'll essentially be 24 on draft day, and he's a junior!) and inability to put on weight have more than its fair share of detractors, but looking past that in terms of sheer production he's deserving to get drafted at least somewhere in the mid-2nd round. He sharply improved this year, slashing his turnover rates, improving his athletic markers, and increasing his scoring efficiency. He's not terribly quick or freakishly athletic, but he's very long, and has one of the best standing reaches among all PFs, to make up for his merely average size. This really stands out in his athletic markers--he's a really good offensive rebounder, has a high free throw rate, and blocks shots extremely well for a PF, a testament to his long reach.

Simply put, he can make plays without the ball as a low possession PF, whether by scoring off hustle points, getting to the line, or blocking shots, and can be an activity guy of sorts. However, I do think his lack of weight is going to hinder him (just look at Hakim Warrick--he had to shift down to SF because of it, and Gibson doesn't have Warrick's athleticism at all), so his effectiveness would undoubtedly take a dip. He might be a tweener, being overpowered defensively by PFs and not having the shooting ability and ballhandling power of SFs. At that the skinny PF tweener, rather than the undersized strong brute force PF tweener, the latter of which seems to be more en vogue in the league--so that doesn't exactly help his case. But the college production and athletic markers are there, and seem to me to better than Carroll's.

 

[bajaden]

I don't know if this is deserving of its own thread, but I'd rather go with Taj Gibson than DeMarre Carroll. I think Gibson's accelerated age (he'll essentially be 24 on draft day, and he's a junior!) and inability to put on weight have more than its fair share of detractors, but looking past that in terms of sheer production he's deserving to get drafted at least somewhere in the mid-2nd round. He sharply improved this year, slashing his turnover rates, improving his athletic markers, and increasing his scoring efficiency. He's not terribly quick or freakishly athletic, but he's very long, and has one of the best standing reaches among all PFs, to make up for his merely average size. This really stands out in his athletic markers--he's a really good offensive rebounder, has a high free throw rate, and blocks shots extremely well for a PF, a testament to his long reach.

Simply put, he can make plays without the ball as a low possession PF, whether by scoring off hustle points, getting to the line, or blocking shots, and can be an activity guy of sorts. However, I do think his lack of weight is going to hinder him (just look at Hakim Warrick--he had to shift down to SF because of it, and Gibson doesn't have Warrick's athleticism at all), so his effectiveness would undoubtedly take a dip. He might be a tweener, being overpowered defensively by PFs and not having the shooting ability and ballhandling power of SFs. At that the skinny PF tweener, rather than the undersized strong brute force PF tweener, the latter of which seems to be more en vogue in the league--so that doesn't exactly help his case. But the college production and athletic markers are there, and seem to me to better than Carroll's.

I don't wish to be overly critical of Gibson, and I agree with some of what you say. He does deserve to be drafted somewhere in the mid second round. But were not drafting in the mid second round. Were drafting first in the second round and I don't think he should go that high. But maybe Carroll shouldn't either. I'm not going to get into comparisons of the two. They both have pluses and minuses and both to me are dramaticly different from one another. So it comes down to whats your favorite beverage.