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BMiller52

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Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Loren Woods
7-1 C from Arizona
2.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-2 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes
Incoming
2007 First round draft pick(top 10 protected)
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF from Syracuse
4.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.6 minutes
Stromile Swift
6-10 PF from Louisiana State
8.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 20.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.9 ppg, -3.7 rpg, and -2.6 apg.


Memphis Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF from Syracuse
4.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.6 minutes
Stromile Swift
6-10 PF from Louisiana State
8.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 20.4 minutes
2007 First round draft pick(top 10 protected)
Incoming
Loren Woods
7-1 C from Arizona
2.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-2 PG from Syracuse
3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.9 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and +2.6 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue
to Sacramento and Memphis being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Memphis had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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Why the Kings do it:
SAR/Kenny is kind of a log jam because they both want to start. Shareef isn't really a good defensive player and he's a pretty bad rebounder, but he's a good offensive player. We get a roster spot by doing a 3 for 2 trade and we clear salary. Warrick is athletic and he's becoming a 4. He's a pretty smart player and a rookie with a lot of potential. Stro Swift has a deal that's 1 year shorter than SAR's(I think Stro comes off the year after KMart and the same year as Ron). He's very athletic as we all know and I think he could be decent as a back up under a guy like Musselman. Also get a first round pick as long as the Grizz aren't top 10 in the lottery.


Why the Grizz do it:
Stro Swift doesn't really fit there and they already have another athletic young big man(Alexander Johnson who had a good game today vs Chicago). With Gasol out until around Christmas they are going to need some inside scoring and when he gets back they can field a SAR/Gasol frontcourt. Gasol would make up for SAR's defensive weakness and poor rebounding while SAR could complement Gasol by being the 2nd option he's never really had with his usualy 15.5/6.5. Hart gives them another point guard and Woods has a better chance of making their roster and getting PT because they have no center.
 
^^ There's no way Memphis tosses in a first round pick. They might trade Swift and a pick for SAR, but not with the other guys too.
 
I sincerely doubt they would unload both Swift AND Warrick to get back a guy they exiled years ago. One or the other, I would think so. But not both.
 
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why give up sar for swift and warrick, there nothing, terrible idea, whil were at it why not trade ron for adonal foyle
 
BMiller52 said:
Someone had to do it:D
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TDOS is over. Stop torturing us!!!! Seriously we have a major log jam at the 4 right now and athletic guys like Warrick and Swift would be nice, I rather try to trade K9 and someone else then SAR. I really like SAR and someone athletic like Warrick should be better off the bench than K9.

With the players we are acculumating, I hope there is some plan here like many people think maybe a nice TWolves trade for Mr. KG? :p
 
I think it could actually be more likely that the Grizz--if they get off to a slow start, and West starts hinting that it's his last year--go young and unload the injured Gasol. I don't know what it would take to get him, but he'd be a great consolation prize in the KG contest.
 
LPKingsFan said:
I think it could actually be more likely that the Grizz--if they get off to a slow start, and West starts hinting that it's his last year--go young and unload the injured Gasol. I don't know what it would take to get him, but he'd be a great consolation prize in the KG contest.
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Isn't Gasol like 26, if they are going to go young why trade him? And other then E.Jones and Mighty Mouse that team is pretty young. I kinda like the Grizz's future with a Core of Miller, Gay, Gasol, and Warrick if, he ever deveples the right way. I don't see this team breaking apart with such a bright future.
 
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I dont think there would be a scenario where the Grizz say yes. SAR is only going to go downhill and will only decline in productivity. Combine that with a worthless Loren Woods and Jason Hart for two young power forwards and you've gone into ludicrous mode with your trade.

Stro sucks and will always suck but he's young and athletic and is still great for a backup power forward/center and Hakim Warrick still has plenty of upside and is quick enough to guard small forwards as well as power forwards. Both are utility guys that provide quality depth while SAR would be a stopgap measure that would simply become a useless contract down the line once Pau Gasol comes back.
 
exocrite said:
Hmm.. well our rebounding percentage goes up...


or does it?
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Of course you take Swift and Warrick over SAR. You're stuck with SAR for FIVE more years and he's only going to get worse over time. He's already been reduced to a jumpshooting power forward that's allergic to defense and rebounding. And he's only going to become more one dimensional as time passes.

Both Swift and Warrick still have huge upside. Stro will never come close to reaching it and will always be a 10 ppg backup but he provides flexibility at the PF and Center spots. Warrick also learned how to shoot the ball and has a developing post game and may actually reach his upside. SAR is a long term disaster of a contract. Stro and Warrick at the very least give you more rebounding and defense along with the potential to become great players (at least Warrick does anyway).

If this were on the table, it should be a no-brainer for the Kings. That SAR contract functionally mortgages the future. In houston, we've got a similar joke of a contract in Juwan Howard who is virtually identical to SAR. No one likes him here either and unfortunately he has 3 years left.

Just send him to the Knicks. They'll probably give you a 1st rounder and channing frye.
 
I wouldn't say SAR is Juwan Howard cuz he's better, but he is similar. Only thing he really does better is score in the post. Both are "scorers" that will get you 10-15 PPG and 6 boards at most a game with no D at all. But the reason he would fit in Memphis IMO is because Gasol would make up his weaknesses on D with the shotblocking and he's still a decent 3rd option guy. I like Warrick and he was the main reason I made this trade but I don't think he's as good as you're saying, but I dunno maybe it is a bad trade for Memphis. Really I want to get some athleticism up front instead of SAR or KT or even Miller(but so far he's been playing D and stuff and good centers are real hard to find anyway).
 
BMiller52 said:
I wouldn't say SAR is Juwan Howard cuz he's better, but he is similar. Only thing he really does better is score in the post. Both are "scorers" that will get you 10-15 PPG and 6 boards at most a game with no D at all. But the reason he would fit in Memphis IMO is because Gasol would make up his weaknesses on D with the shotblocking and he's still a decent 3rd option guy. I like Warrick and he was the main reason I made this trade but I don't think he's as good as you're saying, but I dunno maybe it is a bad trade for Memphis. Really I want to get some athleticism up front instead of SAR or KT or even Miller(but so far he's been playing D and stuff and good centers are real hard to find anyway).
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I think my point is that in the long run SAR is a bad investment. He's going through a rapid decline in skills and WILL be reduced to a Juwan Howard-esque jump shooter relatively soon. He's still the better player but with a contract lasting 5 years, he'll become a pain in a couple of years.

Warrick has a ton of upside and provides you with depth at the 3 and 4 spots and looked good in preseason. And Stro provides depth at the 4 and 5. You guys seriously need too get away from the jump shooting power forwards/centers and get some athletes in the middle to clog the lanes and provide some level of defense in the paint. Stro is still lost sometimes but he'll block a ton of shots and can change a lot of plays. And Warrick will do the same as well.

Besides SAR is redundant for Memphis. They play Pau at the power forward most of the time to give them a mismatch on the offensive end because Pau's game is primarily posting up on smaller guys and abusing them. I suppose for now SAR is ok because they're stuck starting the "stro show" at the power forwarrd spot but eventually he'd be reduced to an expensive bench player.
 
supamari0 said:
I think my point is that in the long run SAR is a bad investment. He's going through a rapid decline in skills and WILL be reduced to a Juwan Howard-esque jump shooter relatively soon. He's still the better player but with a contract lasting 5 years, he'll become a pain in a couple of years.

Warrick has a ton of upside and provides you with depth at the 3 and 4 spots and looked good in preseason. And Stro provides depth at the 4 and 5. You guys seriously need too get away from the jump shooting power forwards/centers and get some athletes in the middle to clog the lanes and provide some level of defense in the paint. Stro is still lost sometimes but he'll block a ton of shots and can change a lot of plays. And Warrick will do the same as well.

Besides SAR is redundant for Memphis. They play Pau at the power forward most of the time to give them a mismatch on the offensive end because Pau's game is primarily posting up on smaller guys and abusing them. I suppose for now SAR is ok because they're stuck starting the "stro show" at the power forwarrd spot but eventually he'd be reduced to an expensive bench player.
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The MLE is not expensive for a rotation player, bench or not. And as much as I advocated for us to sign Swift instead of SAR two summers ago, I'd hardly say Stro has that much upside left anymore.
 
supamari0 said:
I think my point is that in the long run SAR is a bad investment. He's going through a rapid decline in skills and WILL be reduced to a Juwan Howard-esque jump shooter relatively soon. He's still the better player but with a contract lasting 5 years, he'll become a pain in a couple of years.

Warrick has a ton of upside and provides you with depth at the 3 and 4 spots and looked good in preseason. And Stro provides depth at the 4 and 5. You guys seriously need too get away from the jump shooting power forwards/centers and get some athletes in the middle to clog the lanes and provide some level of defense in the paint. Stro is still lost sometimes but he'll block a ton of shots and can change a lot of plays. And Warrick will do the same as well.

Besides SAR is redundant for Memphis. They play Pau at the power forward most of the time to give them a mismatch on the offensive end because Pau's game is primarily posting up on smaller guys and abusing them. I suppose for now SAR is ok because they're stuck starting the "stro show" at the power forwarrd spot but eventually he'd be reduced to an expensive bench player.
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Umm yeah we need an athlete at PF that can play D, that's what this deal kinda does. But maybe you can suggest guys we could actually go after because saying "athletes needed" and thinking of guys that are actually attainable are a whole different thing. I suggested Kenyon Martin before but everyone hated that, but supposedly he's got all his athleticism back so I think he'd fit real well...
 
BMiller52 said:
Umm yeah we need an athlete at PF that can play D, that's what this deal kinda does. But maybe you can suggest guys we could actually go after because saying "athletes needed" and thinking of guys that are actually attainable are a whole different thing. I suggested Kenyon Martin before but everyone hated that, but supposedly he's got all his athleticism back so I think he'd fit real well...
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Which is why I said that this trade is too good to be true for the kings. No way the Grizz would accept SAR for Stro + Warrick. It is too much to ask for from the Grizzlies and too little from the Kings.

Also, Kenyon Martin has a max contract and a bum knee due to microfracture surgery. It would be pretty hard to get the salaries to match and still give Denver the types of players they would want. (unless they just want to dump him altogether for expiring contracts which might work because I think Kings have a decent amount of those) The same could go for Amare Stoudamire or Shawn Marion because the Suns are in luxury tax land now that they have Stoudamire, Marion, Diaw and Nash locked up to big, long term deals. (stoudamire and marion both have max contracts) They'd probably give Amare away for free if you could match salaries but he's looked terrible this year (assuming he continues to play like garbage). Rashard Lewis will be a FA soon but he's more of the brad miller, camp and shoot 3s type player. (you could get him from the Sonics for cheap in a trade considering that they wont re-sign him and will look to get anything for him) Also, the Warriors want to dump contracts as well so you could look at Troy Murphy or Mike Dunleavy. Both aren't exactly the most athletic types but Murphy will get you 10 boards a game and once Dunleavy learns to shoot the ball again, he can be a very versatile sixth man who can play the point all the way to the power forward spot. Also, Miami has Wayne Simien just sitting on the bench, so he might be a guy to look at. He was pretty solid in college and could fit in very well.

Sorry that's a mess of a paragraph but that's just a short list of ideas.
 
Kenyon still has his athleticism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytuKL308c4 About half of those are from this year. He's played really well in preseason.

Marion is probably unattainable, and Amare I don't think I'd want. His knees are REALLY busted up, arthritis in one and microfracture on the other.

Dunleavy/Murphy just takes us back to the jumpshooting guy who doesn't play D.

I don't really see Wayne Simien play much, but I dunno. Maybe.

Other guys I'm thinking about maybe the Kings trading for: Andray Blatche from washington(6'11''), Hakim Warrick, Jeff Foster(good post defender but not a shotblocker, great rebounder), Josh Smith(no idea how the kings would get the hawks to trade him but he's the perfect shotblocker), Kendrick Perkins(young shotblocker, been in the league 3 years came out of HS), I dunno.

One deal I like but I dunno:

Theo Ratliff
Kendrick Perkins

for

SAR
Williamson
Hart
 
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