Deadline Deals
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Brian Windhorst says the Kings are talking with other teams send trade away some young guys. Kings want to clear roster spots for the Cavaliers trade(we have a full roster right now).
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22181817 at 6:20
If I had to guess, the names probably include Richardson, Mason, and PapaG.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22181817 at 6:20
If I had to guess, the names probably include Richardson, Mason, and PapaG.
No offense, but how preytell do you know that? I doubt that anyone predicted that Booker would be as prolific a scorer as he's turned out to be. Right now, Bog's is a more efficient scorer than Booker, the difference is the amount of shots they take. Per 36 Bog's is averaging 10 pts less than Booker, but he's also taking 8 fewer shots. Give his those shots at the same efficiency and his point total will be very close to Booker's. I realize that's a simplistic approach, but it's very possible as well. Whether Bog's becomes as prolific a scorer as Booker depends more on how he plays the game than on ability. Give Bogdanovic 20 shots a game, and I'll guarantee you that he'll average more than 20 pts a game. He's too efficient not to.
The problem with that scenario is that Bog's is too much of a team player, unlike Booker who looks to score more. But lets be honest here, just because Booker scores more, that doesn't make him the better player. Lets give Bog's three years in the league like Booker has and then pass judgement.
The problem with that scenario is that Bog's is too much of a team player, unlike Booker who looks to score more. But lets be honest here, just because Booker scores more, that doesn't make him the better player. Lets give Bog's three years in the league like Booker has and then pass judgement.
He is getting those numbers on a BAD team where he has a green light to do what he likes. Hell the coach wants him to shoot more.
Ask yourself this, if on the Kings he had say Anthony Davis and say Dame Lillard, would he be getting more shots per game than he is getting now? I HIGHLY doubt he would.
Bogdan is a great TEAM player. Someone who takes what the defense gives him and he is not someone who is going to look to take 20 shots in a game. He would be a great complement next to a couple of stars because he will play off them and keep the defenses on their toes. He is a highly valuable type of player on a great team but he is not a 25ppg scorer on a good team. Sure he can do it on a bad team but I have seen him in the past when he has been asked to take on the scoring load and be the man. He can do it but nowhere near as efficiently as he does it now. In his last season with Partizan in the final series against Red Star he was averaging in the high 20s but his percentages went down, turnovers went up, assists went down. Expecting him to maintain the same efficiency on a higher number of shots is just not realistic. The fatigue will set in especially over the course of the season.
Ask yourself this, if on the Kings he had say Anthony Davis and say Dame Lillard, would he be getting more shots per game than he is getting now? I HIGHLY doubt he would.
Bogdan is a great TEAM player. Someone who takes what the defense gives him and he is not someone who is going to look to take 20 shots in a game. He would be a great complement next to a couple of stars because he will play off them and keep the defenses on their toes. He is a highly valuable type of player on a great team but he is not a 25ppg scorer on a good team. Sure he can do it on a bad team but I have seen him in the past when he has been asked to take on the scoring load and be the man. He can do it but nowhere near as efficiently as he does it now. In his last season with Partizan in the final series against Red Star he was averaging in the high 20s but his percentages went down, turnovers went up, assists went down. Expecting him to maintain the same efficiency on a higher number of shots is just not realistic. The fatigue will set in especially over the course of the season.
All it takes is a coach telling the guy to shoot more. Who saw Hedo or Peja as 20ppg scorers when they were 19? If the shots centered around Bogs he could average 20ppg, but we would need a halfway decent PG and a halfway decent big (Not just talking about Randolph since he's on his way out of the league).
Cap space next offseason is my guess. Hills contract wasnt good when he signed it and him having the worst season of his career makes it even worse. Malachi and PapaG also dont have value around the league. They were bad picks to begin with and have looked bad since then.
When you trade Hill+Richardson for Frye + Shumpert you gain 10 mil in cap space at least (with a small chance at 20 mil if Shumpert does opt out). There are not a lot of teams with cap space next year and Kings want to be good the next season. It makes sense.
Based on the report, my guess is the Kings are currently trying to find a taker for Malachi to create a roster spot because the Cavs dont want him as he would cost them a lot of money.
When you trade Hill+Richardson for Frye + Shumpert you gain 10 mil in cap space at least (with a small chance at 20 mil if Shumpert does opt out). There are not a lot of teams with cap space next year and Kings want to be good the next season. It makes sense.
Based on the report, my guess is the Kings are currently trying to find a taker for Malachi to create a roster spot because the Cavs dont want him as he would cost them a lot of money.
Being a 25 PPG scorer is a mentality. It's not something that you just go out and do with more shots. For starters, Bogs doesn't get to the free throw line very much. Two, when defenses stiffen up on him, can he make tough shots consistently? That remains to be seen and even if he gets more shot, he may get 17-20 PPG but 25 PPG isn't realistic because that would equate to him being a top ten scorer in the league. You want to bring up Booker but Booker is a chucker and his numbers aren't impressive to be honest. I don't want my player to go out there and chuck up 20+ shots just for the sake of it if he doesn't have the skillset to make the tough shots with defenses keying in on your weakness.
I’m not at all convinced he can reach 25 ppg. He will have to further develop his game but I see hints of it. I am convinced he can score 19-21. He can get there if Fox, Skal or Willie ever figure out how to kick the ball out to open shooters. Luckily Harry is a good passer and Skal or Willie will get limited minutes.
I am more of the Popovich theory that his numbers will go up when paired with other high IQ players. Currently Bogs gets very few easy shots created by other players. Willie and Skal get the ball and 9 times out of 10 do one thing: shoot the ball no matter how many defenders collapse on them. Willie and Skal combined average 3 assists a game.
Giles is a high IQ player and a good passer. I expect he beats them both by himself and a portion of those assists go to Bogs. The Kings are 2nd in field goal percentage and 28th in attempts. That’s pretty definitive data someone on the team has their head up their a$$.
Giles is a high IQ player and a good passer. I expect he beats them both by himself and a portion of those assists go to Bogs. The Kings are 2nd in field goal percentage and 28th in attempts. That’s pretty definitive data someone on the team has their head up their a$$.
That makes sense but it also makes me nervous. The good thing about all of our veterans right now is that none of them has a contract that lasts beyond next year (except Hill but it's a $1 million buyout which is effectively nothing). So when we need to start thinking about extensions for all of our rookies in 2019, there's currently no salary tied up other than the $8.5 million owed to Bogie. If we we end up with cap space this summer we're probably going to spend it and I don't like where that leads us. Actually, I'm more terrified of cap space at this point than pretty much anything else. When have we ever known this team to make good use of cap space? Greg Ostertag, Shareef Abdur-Rahim with bad knees, Mikki Moore, John Salmons, Travis Outlaw, Chuck Hayes, Marcus Thornton, Carl Landry, Marco Belinelli, Arron Afflalo, Matt Barnes. This year alone we're spending $40 million on George Hill, Zach Randolph, and Vince Carter. We already have 4 players on the payroll this year who are not on the roster because Vlade had to buy out the contracts he gave them less than a year later. And we don't have our pick next year because it was traded to get rid of Thompson and Landry.
I actually think we're in a safe place right now with the contracts we currently have -- a lot of teams make it through the "stockpiling rookies" phase of the rebuild relatively worry free. It's when you start tacking on salary to "accelerate the rebuild" that you run into problems. The types of free agents who sign with Sacramento are almost always mediocre talents who are already in decline and that makes them overpaid and unmovable. If we're making trades I'd much rather we just kept going after young players that fit with what we already have. We can bring in actual talent with trades, we almost never do with cap space.
I've also got a small nitpick with the George Hill comment. It was definitely an overpay but the year 3 buyout and declining salary make it palatable. It's also not quite accurate to call this the worst season of his career when he's having his best season (by far) behind the arc at exactly the same time that every playoff team in the league is desperate for more three point shooting to compete with GS. If that small fact weren't true we wouldn't even be talking about a potential George Hill trade because it would be a complete non-starter.
I actually think we're in a safe place right now with the contracts we currently have -- a lot of teams make it through the "stockpiling rookies" phase of the rebuild relatively worry free. It's when you start tacking on salary to "accelerate the rebuild" that you run into problems. The types of free agents who sign with Sacramento are almost always mediocre talents who are already in decline and that makes them overpaid and unmovable. If we're making trades I'd much rather we just kept going after young players that fit with what we already have. We can bring in actual talent with trades, we almost never do with cap space.
I've also got a small nitpick with the George Hill comment. It was definitely an overpay but the year 3 buyout and declining salary make it palatable. It's also not quite accurate to call this the worst season of his career when he's having his best season (by far) behind the arc at exactly the same time that every playoff team in the league is desperate for more three point shooting to compete with GS. If that small fact weren't true we wouldn't even be talking about a potential George Hill trade because it would be a complete non-starter.
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That's perhaps where George Hill might appeal to them since he's a veteran and can play both guard positions. Main problem with that deal is his contract might hurt their cap situation if they want to make a run at LeBron or someone else in free agency, though I suppose they've got Reddick coming off the books and some other one year deals.
Would they have interest in Temple or Koufos?
Right now I'd say it's doubtful we've got enough to tempt them without sacrificing a draft pick. Unless of course they'd want a young guard like Buddy in a deal with a veteran like Hill. But personally I'd take a pass on Saric.
Would they have interest in Temple or Koufos?
Right now I'd say it's doubtful we've got enough to tempt them without sacrificing a draft pick. Unless of course they'd want a young guard like Buddy in a deal with a veteran like Hill. But personally I'd take a pass on Saric.
I think we should look to move Hield and keep Bogs...problem with hield as a 6th man is he is a dreadful creator. If he is our 6th man it only works if someone like mason is drawing the defense and kicking to him. The way he shoots on the move, and the stiffness, to me just looks like he will never be an efficient shot creator. I have more faith Malachi can fill that roll long term than buddy. Id sell buddy and Hill to cavs for that BKN pick.
I disagree with this. I think WCS and Bogdan are better than him. However, I could see Philly trying to go after Buddy or Bogdan. Their 2nd leading scorer is 33 yearold JJ Redick who also happens to be their starting SG. I think Buddy could be a potential answer to their long-term SG and the timeline isn't very far off. Only real problem with Buddy as their starting SG is that a Fultz-Buddy would probably be a defensive liability.