Darko to Orlando - Done deal

I agree with Brick. I like some of the potential Darko has, although he seems to play "soft" far too much for a big 7 footer. I would like to give him a shot on our team, but not convinced at this point it is worth the risk.

However, I am intrigued by the deal that Funky posted because we get back Evans and also get Jason Maxiell. Maxiell doesn't get much playtime or press behind the bigs in Detroit, but he has a good bit of potential as well. He is only 6'7, but has long arms and plays excellent defense. He could step in as our Athletic rebounding and shotblocking defender at PF that we are lacking. When I see him play he sort of reminds me of Skinner, except he is more athletic, has better footwork, and has a much higher ceiling. Then again, there are a couple of players like that available towards the top of the upcoming draft as well.
 
Skinner for Darko works straight up. Their contracts are basically the same. Skinner makes a little more money, but lengths of contracts are the same. You would definitely have to throw in the pick to get Detroit to bite. The reason Detroit does it, is for the pick and having Skinner who can help immediately, if necessary.

You can also throw in Jason Hart, and take back Arroyo in this deal. Detroit does this because they get a back-up PG with a smaller, shorter contract and move Arroyo’s contract. Arroyo might be the better all around player, but career numbers are very similar; Hart could be a better fit in Detroit. Arroyo’s lack of outside shooting and contract isn’t what we need in a back-up PG. If not Arroyo, then Lindsey Hunter—much more unlikely to happen. We actually don’t need to give up Hart to make this deal work, of course taking on contracts while not moving any of ours is not in our best interest. We could also do Skinner, Sampson for Darko, Delfino.

Corliss for Darko, Delfino.

Corliss, Hart (or Sampson) for Darko, Arroyo

Skinner, Corliss for Darko, Delfino, Arroyo

I wouldn't give up our "kids", or Bonzi plus a 1st rounder for Darko. And I don't believe Detroit would give up Evans and Maxiell unless we give up the kids or Bonzi. The players I mentioned above are the only possible, IMO.


If we’re willing to take on Detroit's scrub contract, plus give up a 1st round pick, something could happen. But would it all be worth it? I am not sure. If you trade for Darko, you’re immediately put under the microscope. If he’s a bust, you won’t be able to escape the label “FOOL”. If you keep the pick and the player you draft is a bust, you’ll just be in the same boat as other teams in the league; keeping the pick is less damaging.
 
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Oh, I sincerely doubt the Pistons are going to take a guy like Skinner for Darko -- doesn't help them much if at all (the frontcourt is full), and also has minimal trade value.

I've thought about the Corliss thing before, but they certainly aren;t goning to be throwing in MORE youn players with Darko. We'd be the ones having to do the pot sweetening I suspect.
 
The 1st rounder would be the sweetener in any potential deal. And I could be wrong, but last I heard, Detroit wasn't too high on Arroyo or Delfino. Delfino only has about 2 mill guaranteed left, which isn't bad at all, but Arroyo still has about 8 million left.

I don't doubt other teams would be able to offer more, but that's all I would give up, now. Anything else Detroit wouldn't accept, or would be too much of a gamble on our part.
 
Ah yeah, well, that'd be Diener or Dooling then.

If not though, the Pistons do have Lindsey Hunter/Alex Acker/Prince/Billups/Hamilton/Delfino.
 
AleksandarN said:
I am pretty sure that the MAgic would have throw in one of thier PG because as of the trade now it leaves the Pistons with no backup PG and leaves the MAgic with about 5 of them. Something has to give.
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You're forgetting Lindsey Hunter and Alex Acker :)

Trade looks good for all involved..
 
AleksandarN said:
I am pretty sure that the MAgic would have throw in one of thier PG because as of the trade now it leaves the Pistons with no backup PG and leaves the MAgic with about 5 of them. Something has to give.
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Now that Hunter is back, Arroyo's the 3rd stringer and expendable.
 
Detroit News - The Magic have been interested in acquiring point guard Carlos Arroyo and forward Darko Milicic. They are offering the Pistons a partially protected first-round pick and center Kelvin Cato, whose $8.5 million contract expires after this season.

This trade, which is still being discussed, would have virtually no impact on the Pistons this season. Arroyo has been averaging less than 10 minutes for the past month or more, and that time might be cut further once Lindsey Hunter returns to game shape. Milicic is out of the rotation.

The Pistons likely would waive Cato, who has been hurt all year.

But, with the pick (which would be protected for the first five or seven picks) and the $8.5 million of salary cap relief, the Pistons would be addressing some long-term needs.
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39132/20060214/pistons_and_magic_continue_to_talk_trade/

Well, sounds like Arroyo could be expendable. Cato I think was said to return late this month, but then he got another set-back where he's out later now.. not sure.
 
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Some of you people are freaking crazy. You want to trade bonzi and a first round draft pick for some guy who doesnt even play on a team with a weak bench. I am not saying bonzi is the be all player, but he improves the rebounding of the kings by alot and also adds more inside game. why dont you try this on nba 2k6 and just tell us how it goes there.:p
 
sc3252 said:
Some of you people are freaking crazy. You want to trade bonzi and a first round draft pick for some guy who doesnt even play on a team with a weak bench. I am not saying bonzi is the be all player, but he improves the rebounding of the kings by alot and also adds more inside game. why dont you try this on nba 2k6 and just tell us how it goes there.:p
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The recent emergence of Kevin Martin is bound to create shooting guard controversey next year and Bonzi will be demanding major $$$. Why not save some money and go with what's working. Some think that the addition of another post up wing guy in Artest makes Bonzi's game redundant.
 
It looks like it is a done deal too bad we did not try to get him. I think if him and Howard get on the same page and both of them reach their potential we could be looking at twin towers v2.0. That would be pretty scary:eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2331049



NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday night that the Pistons and Orlando Magic were close to completing a long-discussed trade that would relocate Milicic, 2003's No. 2 overall pick, to central Florida. The trade could be completed as early as Wednesday, sources said, with only one potential snag.
The sides, according to sources, are bartering over the extent of lottery protection Orlando would have on the first-round pick it has agreed to send Detroit along with center Kelvin Cato for Milicic and guard Carlos Arroyo.
It's thought Orlando is seeking to retain this year's first-round pick -- and convey its 2007 first-rounder to Detroit instead -- if the Magic's pick winds up in the top seven of the June draft. The deal would collapse if the sides can't come to a resolution -- with Detroit looking to reduce Orlando's level of protection by a few spots -- but it's clear the Pistons have made the decision to move Milicic before the Feb. 23 trading deadline after giving him a chance to earn a rotation spot under new coach Flip Saunders.
Milicic hasn't played much more for Saunders than he did for Larry Brown, unleashing a new wave of second-guesses on Detroit's decision to draft the Serbian 7-footer over Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade ... even though the Pistons won the championship in Darko's rookie season and came within one game of a repeat title last season.
Yet, even if Milicic had established himself as a rotation regular under Saunders, it's doubtful the Pistons could have afforded to retain him beyond this summer. With Ben Wallace bound for free agency in July and Chauncey Billups expected to seek a lucrative contract extension before becoming a free agent in the summer of 2007, Detroit needs Cato's expiring contract ($8.6 million this season) to create the salary-cap space to re-sign both comfortably and keep together its vaunted starting lineup.
After Wallace and Billups re-sign, all five Pistons starters will possess contracts averaging at least $10 million per season -- an NBA rarity but a necessity for Pistons president Joe Dumars given the success and relative youth (Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace are both 31) of the group. While Orlando continues to explore its Steve Francis trade options, this move would give Milicic a chance to play immediately alongside franchise forward Dwight Howard. It might also eventually give the Magic two highly touted but unproven European big men for its frontcourt rotation, with the Magic still hopeful they will have 2005 first-round pick Fran Vazquez (who controversially elected to play in Spain this season) in the near future.
 
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We should sneak in and offer our first rounder with lottery protected to one less than the Magic.

And send them Williamson and Hart.
 
If we weren't going to take that shot, glad to see a team like Orlando do it. Makes the league more interesting and that duo down there could become something very special if Darko pans out.
 
Strange that after all the promise Arroyo showed back in the Olympics he hasn't been able to translate that into more NBA success. And where does he fit into Orlando's plans with Jameer Nelson and Franchise in the fold? I guess Orlando would be looking to move Franchise as well.
 
Florida Today - The Orlando Magic have discussed a deal sending injured center Kelvin Cato and a future first-round pick to Detroit for power forward Darko Milicic and point guard Carlos Arroyo.

Magic assistant general manager Otis Smith told FLORIDA TODAY on Friday the deal was in the works. Tuesday, he denied an ESPN.com report the deal was close to finalized.

"I don't have a deal at this time," Smith said. "It's still a ways away. It's 50-50 right now."

Adding Arroyo would give the Magic five point guards on the roster and could trigger another blockbuster move involving Steve Francis. Denver and New York are rumored to have interest in the three-time All-Star.

The holdup is the protection of the draft pick the Magic would be giving up. Orlando wants to retain the pick if it is one of the top seven of this June's draft. If that happens, Detroit would get the Magic's 2007 draft pick.
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39145/20060215/darko_deal_at_50_50/
 
LoungeLizard said:
A very big if indeed.
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We'll see. But here's the thing. You already have Dwight Howard. Now you take Darko, and if he pans out you are automatically an absolute elite title contender for the next decade. The upside of that pairing is so huge its not even funny.
 
Bricklayer said:
We'll see. But here's the thing. You already have Dwight Howard. Now you take Darko, and if he pans out you are automatically an absolute elite title contender for the next decade. The upside of that pairing is so huge its not even funny.
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it is eastern conference so either way not our concern reall
 
piksi said:
it is eastern conference so either way not our concern reall
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Nope, but I'll be tuning in. Could be a lot of fun.

And of course if Darko does blossom its kind of like the Artest thing -- he's out there and imminently available, so if he becomes what he was supposed to be a lot of GMs are going to have to look into the mirror and realize they could have haad him.
 
Bricklayer said:
Nope, but I'll be tuning in. Could be a lot of fun.

And of course if Darko does blossom its kind of like the Artest thing -- he's out there and imminently available, so if he becomes what he was supposed to be a lot of GMs are going to have to look into the mirror and realize they could have haad him.
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they will be good but so will Cavs.

We already know that a good part of thr Gms are not the most capable people. Do we really need more prove.

I hope that Darko shows the talent that he has but it will need time. Heck, he did not even have a rookie year yet
 
Bricklayer said:
We'll see. But here's the thing. You already have Dwight Howard. Now you take Darko, and if he pans out you are automatically an absolute elite title contender for the next decade. The upside of that pairing is so huge its not even funny.
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Exactly. I'd be very intrigued to see how Darko develops, along with Dwight already there. Anyone should who's a fan of the league too.
 
If all Detroit wants is an expiring contract and a backup point guard for Darko how about we send Bonzi and Hart for Arroyo and Darko??? Works under the cap :D
 
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